Behringer Virtualizer Pro

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I've got an old Virtualizer. The echos/delays can be pretty good and it's dead quiet. The reverbs aren't that great though. But....some of it is useful and I've never had a problem with it or with my headphone amp or my Ultrafex (fairly useless - but works) or my Denoiser (great) or my B2 mic (very decent.) Behringer's getting better over time and also good for bringing prices down on a lot of stuff. Go on ahead, Behringer.
 
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Man you guys are something. ive been recording for years and ive just got the processor in question, and with thoughtful tweaking it sounds great. you should be able to have the talent to work with anything. So, dont let these guys influence you, get a manual and have fun with it.
 
if you like it, use it by all means. the people on here who've also been recording for years (most) aren't keen on the stuff because of the very variable quality, short life span and general cheapness of the gear. it has nothing to do with talent, as i said if it sounds good it is, by which i'm referring to your mix, not the actual unit.

but when you look at what you can get for a little or sometimes no extra, you wonder if the behr is a false economy.

seriously, enjoy your gear. i hope it gives you years of useful sounds.
 
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this is true, noisedude.
i just felt sorry for the guy who just bought it. nothing worse than getting new equpitment and then let other peoples opions ruin your excitement. the ggreat thing about the VP (why i bought it)is it truely has some one of a kind effects inside. and they're all tweakable. but i honestly respect everyones opinions, i hope i never run into trouble with my beh equipment.
 
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jaeden said:
you should be able to have the talent to work with anything.
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well.... in some ways that's true to a degree, but harsh, metallic, poor-sounding reverb is impossible to "work around"..........
 
IMHO, I think some of the problem is that most people who buy the lower end products and say they sound great is because they really havent had the opportunity to compare the sound to a quality device, in which case the majority would probaly save their change for a better sounding unit. I have a BVP and it sounds ok, actually not too bad for live stuff, Ive used it for recording with modest results to say the least. Some of the delays and echos sound decent, even better if you re-wright them.
However, their claim of this unit being a "true dual engine" is total bunk! Ive yet to figure out how to combine effects and their tech suport absolutely sucks!

uhhh, 18 bucks and a bucket of hot wings??
 
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<but when you look at what you can get for a little or sometimes no extra, you wonder if the behr is a false economy.>

YES!

that's the thing. you can get an Autocom for $99. but you can get a used RNC for $150 (or less--i did). i got a Symetrix 425 for $125. you can get their mic pre for $99, but you can find a used Symetrix or Ashly or something along those lines for about the same.

it's all about education and marketing. Behringer is great at marketing to the Guitar Center/Musician's Fiend crowd, and in many cases, the folks that frequent those establishments simply "don't know any better", and Behringer pounces on that market like fratboys on beer.

i can't say i blame em for the marketing. there's a sucker born every minute and he and his cash are easily parted. i CAN blame them for shitty QC and crappy products, however.


wade
 
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jaeden said:
i just felt sorry for the guy who just bought it. nothing worse than getting new equpitment and then let other peoples opions ruin your excitement.
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yeah man that can be well tough, especially when you've saved up. i for one though haven't learned my lesson and persist in buying behringer DI boxes etc. their stuff is really tempting for the price but once i get over that initial gear buying rush i do sometimes wonder if i should buy stuff that's less shiney and silver!!
 
so true

Yeah, you got it. I think everyones got a good point. I have a lot of better quality stuff than the BVP, but it is fun combining the lot. I just hope the original dood who started this thread isnt discouraged. And in the end, you can always trade in the BEH's as a tiny down payment on something better, once you have graduated to the usage of something better.
 
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jaeden said:
And in the end, you can always trade in the BEH's as a tiny down payment on something better....
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Yeah!

As a down payment on a Radio Shack-Wack karaoke microphone.
 
Man....no need to trade in that virtualizer.........
There's room for all FX units just to have multiples.
Even when you get something better for vocals and such, the Virtualizer will still be useful for doubling guitars and such.
 
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jaeden said:
you should be able to have the talent to work with anything.
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I have to agree with you on this, Jaeden.

When you finally develop enough talent, you get an ear for how to work with something's strengths, and to work around it's shortcomings.

Thankfully, I feel like I've finally found a great way to work around the shortcomings of gear like this: it's called the off button.

It really works wonders.
 
The more i dived into the BVP, the more really cool stuff i found. Definaelty worth keeping. People think its "cool" to bash behringer. have of them probably never used the stuff. so in conclusion, if you dont have much cash, behringer will please you.
 
What in the WORLD does being "cool" have to do with bashing Certain Beh products if the sh#t don't work!!!

The Virginizer Pro-Ho' delays cannot be adjusted in milli-secs, there's no "TAP" function for tempo-timing, The 'verbs resemble being underwater in a metallic-chamber and the so-called EQ produces signal degradation with any setting above +1 !

I'm sorry, but I'm better off with the MPX500 and my simple TC ELECT 300!

I'd rather use a Nady, than a Behringer!
 
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People think its "cool" to bash behringer.
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No. Having kinky sex with Carmen Electra is pretty "cool." Partying at the Playboy mansion, I suppose, would be pretty cool.

Bashing behringer gear is simply being helpful. Kind of like telling your piss-drunk friend that the hippo he's hitting on at the bar isn't going to be as pretty in the morning when the alcohol wears off. Or telling your pop-superstar friend that letting young boys sleep in his bed might make for a bad career move. :D

if you dont have much cash, behringer will please you.
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No, if you don't have much cash, then Symetrix or Rane will please you or tie you over. Behringer will only make your stuff sound bad and make you wish you'd purchased something else. Don't look now, but I think I see some cheap stuff here that will eat Behringer for breakfast :

http://search.ebay.com/search/searc...&ht=1&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&query=symetrix

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?query=rane&ht=1&sosortproperty=1&from=R10&BasicSearch=
 
Thankyou chess, THANKYOU!

I just wish I HAD some-1 tell me to save my money rather than waste it on Beh gear I purchased some years ago (with the exception of the AutoCom & the Composer Pro; 2 units that are decent dynamic processors)!
 
Look...........I get your point and I'll grant you that Behringer gear isn't the best, although I can't agree that Nady would be better. I mean, Nady has got to be the cheapest 'name' brand on the planet. :D

But there is a difference between telling someone who's getting ready to buy something that he should avoid Behringer; and telling some newbie that's excited over his first FX unit; that he's already bought; that you think he's wasted his money on a piece of crap. And saying that you're just trying to be helpful, that's ridiculous........ there has got to be friendlier and gentler ways of pointing out the limitations in cheap gear than to call it a piece of shit and, by extension, ridicule the person who bought it.

And as for it being worse than nothing........I can't agree with that. You know that I know gear well enough to understand the limitations of cheap gear. It's better than a lot of what we had 25 years ago and I can make a better mix with a Virtualizer than I can with nothing. And I'm positive I could use one in mixing and tweak it to where you would never know that's what I used. Will it sound as good as my old Lexicon? No.....not even close. But it's certainly useful to learn with and that's what Poetsleep is trying to do.
 
I got 2 much luv to argue with you General Bob!

If it was anybody else, I would go schizoid!!;)
 
LOL :D
I'm not arguing with you 'O' Master of the bass. I too feel the love and I would never want you to think I'm critisizing you 'cause I'm not.

I'm just pressing a different point of view that I believe has at least some validity.........really that's all.
It's simply a discussion and nothing more than that. You can't have a discussion without differing views.......otherwise it's a monologue. :)

I'm just saying.....put yourself in sleeppoets' place. I know you can see how it would to some extent come across as saying he was an idiot for buying it when the critisizms are so harsh.
After all......he's already bought the thing.....so at this point, all we can do is help him get the best out of it even if it's not a great piece of gear. It's too late for him to not buy it.

I can give you an example from my own experience. Before I started coming here, I bought a (urp!) 3630 comp. :eek: When I asked about it.........(this was 2 years ago ), all I got was nasty remarks about what a piece of shit it was. Now I'm not arguing that it's not a piece of shit 'cause it is. But it's all I have and since I rarely use compression, I haven't been real inclined to spend my limited funds on a RNC. But noone told me anything that was of any possible use whatsoever. When I'd ask how I could get the best out of it.......I didn't get a single useful response.....they were all of the "Back your truck over it" variety. :D And it made me feel stupid.......I know that wasn't the intent but still......that's how it made me feel.

Finally, Blue Bear sent me a PM and in about 3 sentences said, "Set it like this and then tweak this and it should be passable for some things." And ya' know what? For the occassional need I have for it, it now suffices.
Yes, I need a better one and I will get one........but the Bear helped me to at least learn why it wasn't a good unit and how to get by 'till I could get a better one.

So that's all I'm saying........it's easy for those of us that have some experience to forget how it feels when you're a newbie and unsure of yourself and self-conscious and easily bummed out over mistakes you might make.

I'm just advocating a nation that tries to be gentler.....that's all.

But if it will make you happy:

Behringer sucks!!!!!!!! :D:D:D:D:D:D

I have to admit......that felt pretty good! :D:D:D
 
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