Behringer V-amp... IT RUUUUULES!!!!!

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I did a do it yourself direct box using Marshall JMP 1, ADA Microcab and Intellifex in the loop. I'm pretty sure I like the H&K Red Box 4th generation Speaker simulator better than ADA which is a little claustrophobic sounding.

Still, my isolation box for my little 112 combo gives me the best of the best. Midnite tracking at 50 watts with microphones.
 
It looks like sampling rate and frequency response are getting confused here. 2 Different things. If speakers are not supposed to show the difference between 33k and 96k, then I have magic monitors! Wow I knew they were good.
H2H
 
That's true H2(O)H. An person can tell the difference between
a sampling rate of 31.24 and 44.1 or 48. The higher the sampling rate, the clearer the signal is heard.
But my point about the V-amp is that since it is rated @ 31.25 there are patches that regardless of rate(in comparison with my POD) SOUND way better than the POD! This is not to say that the V-AMP is better, but I'm an efx guy who, if I hear 1 patch or effect on a box and it serves what i want, I will use it! and the V-amp has many patches that are extremely efficient in clarity and use!
 
Speakers etc

I think it's obvious to say that if you can really afford speakers with a frequency response all the way up to 48kHz (96kHz sampling frequency) What the hell are you doing even LOOKING at behringer??? :confused:

I think it's important to conisder who this product is made for. From what I can gather, it's been designed for studio and gigging use. The J-Station is famed for it's construction quality not being quite in the realm of rock-hard.

The V-Amp fits perfectly into the gap between gigging and studio use. It offers a cheaper way to get that much closer to the sound you want, without caughing up loads of money.

As far as the whole sampling frequency debate, it's also vitally important to add that with sampling and outputting samples, the aliasing filter for the input and output. If these are crud, no matter how good your Codec's are, your sound will be crappy.

even budget speakers (<£300) dont always manage to get comfortably above 22kHz, so, really, what is the point of sampling at 48kHz, when the speakers that they are designed for (budget) wont even stretch that high???


Just a few thoughts

Rochey
 
Hard2Hear said:
It looks like sampling rate and frequency response are getting confused here. 2 Different things.
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Hopefully this doesn't turn into a crazy sampling rate thread, BUT...

Sampling rate is definitely related to frequency response.

The Nyquist sampling theorem states that the lowest sampling rate for a given frequency to be represented is 2x the frequency. Thus, any device that samples at 31.25kHz can only adequately represent a maximum frequency of 15.625kHz.

This is well under human perception (except for people who have destroyed their ears by gigging too much too loud... eh?... What'd he say?...)


Matt
 
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MISTERQCUE said:
But my point about the V-amp is that since it is rated @ 31.25 there are patches that regardless of rate(in comparison with my POD) SOUND way better than the POD! This is not to say that the V-AMP is better, but I'm an efx guy who, if I hear 1 patch or effect on a box and it serves what i want, I will use it! and the V-amp has many patches that are extremely efficient in clarity and use!
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Good point. While the sampling rates may be lower, an even more important factor is the modeling algorithms. Use your ears. If the V-amp sounds better the POD, it sounds better regardless of the sampling rate.

That reminds me. If a guitar is (arguably) only capable of producing a signal below 15kHz, then, based on the Nyquist theorem, only a 30kHz sampling rate is necessary. The sampling rate only relates to the signal being INPUT into the device. The discussion of the frequency of the ambiant effects is not relevant to the sampling rate. It is only relevant to the frequency response of the entire device. If the response of the entire device can recreate the ambient effects after the input, that is all that is necessary for adequate modeling.


Matt
 
Does anybody really think that Behringer sat down and studied the necessary speaker response when they designed this? Or were they just cutting corners to get a cheaper prodcut to market? I still think those extra 16 models on the POD 2.0 are worth the extra 50$... but maybe if Behringer had hit the magical $100 marker with this thing, it'd be a lot more enticing.
 
I just tried the behringer and it shure as hell didnt do anyhing for me. Im glad others are finding it useful though.
 
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That reminds me. If a guitar is (arguably) only capable of producing a signal below 15kHz, then, based on the Nyquist theorem, only a 30kHz sampling rate is necessary.


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True, but a waveform reconstructed from only two points is gonna sound nothing like the original sound.
 
Ive been gigging with the j-station for 6 months in a bar band,with it as a front end into a hafler 1200 pro into an open backed cab with an EV12L.Humbuckers are required.
Rumors about its fragility are overstated.I have decreased my loadout weight at least 40-50 pounds with the elimination of my 100 watt tube amp and 2 space rackcase holding my MP1 and Quadraverb.
Discerning ears can tell the difference in ideal circumstances,but a noisy bar isn't the ideal listening environment.Close enough works fine here.
The key features of the j-station that sealed the deal for me were S/PDIF,24 bit 44,100K,5 effects simultanious,deep level edit on front panel,parameters adjustable (patch,effect,etc.)with any midi/ cc pedal.
I record guitar with a 57 in front of my 58 Gibson GA6 but for live work these amp modelers are great.The new behringer looks like a cross between a strat and a kidney bean,so they are definately leaning toward the pod market.

Tom
 
I don’t know about the Behringer, but I do like my J-station for the fact that is has an SPDIF out at 44.1kHz 24Bit

This makes it extremely easy to use in my recording setup. The SPDIF goes directly into my RME soundcard. And the 44.1KHz sample rate adapts excellent to the rest of the tracks.

The Pod also has that option, but only in the expensive rack version
 
Hey Carter, I would like to know where you saw 1 at when 95% of them have not been delivered to the U.S. market yet ( Delivery date was s'posed to be April '01) Only a few major retailers have them (Sammy's is 1 of 'em).
 
Mars Music is where I came into contact with mine. BTW what is sammy's??? Is that slang for samash or is this a retailer I am not aware of??
 
Well,
Ive got the pod v.2. Its ok, but I am going to get a yamaha dg, maybe. I do trust Mr Qcues ears from reading his posts. At musicians fiend there are audio samples of the v amp and other units. The pod sounds good if you work with it, but can easily sound like shit(and yes I can play).

A few other cool pieces, the electrix filter factory and mo fx, each have a blowout price at guitar satan. the price once $299 is now a beutiful $99. I reccomend both pieces if anybody needs a cheap fix.
 
cerealchamp2000 said:
Still, my isolation box for my little 112 combo gives me the best of the best. Midnite tracking at 50 watts with microphones.


Any design hints on this amazing isolation box cerealchamp? I've had thoughts along the same lines myself.

Nige
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