Behringer bashers can suck my post

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A start is all of us want, making people feel stupid or ashamed of buying a product based on mostly on uneducated and unfounded statements is stupid. I know I'm going to get some shit thrown at me, but the subject is clear. Lets stop bashing brands and start helping people.
I own Behringer gear, I know its not the best, but it has given me a stepping stone into the world, and art of audio production, I will upgrade, and progress as time goes on, so chill out and make others feel good about making some music, after all, thats what its all about.
 
Behringer is cheap, sometimes its quality is hazardous, but it is great value for money, and instrumental in helping many people make the step into audio work.

I started off with Behringer, and I still have a fair bit of it. I too have not been overjoyed with the gratuitous disdain towards the brand.
 
I have a Behringer active DI box...not bad, but it's not something I use much, as most times I use the built-in DIs on my better preamps. That Behringer item was purchased many moons ago as part of a Musician's Friend "bundle"...one of those purchases where you needed a certain dollar total to get free shipping.

I also have one of their 9024 digital mastering boxes, something that looked pretty interesting at the time....it was their version of the Finalizer. That thing has been sitting in my racks for about 6-7 years and I never used it on anything. I messed with it once or twice, but in the end always went for my other, better options. It's finally going on eBay...

While there has been some shoddy equipment from Behringer (no one can deny that), it's not all "useless" gear...but the reason Behringer developed such a bad rep wasn't so much about crappy quality, but more about how they do business. More specifically, how they "design" their products.
Most of their gear is direct copies (and many infringements) of equipment from other manufacturers. They would see something that was selling well...totally reverse engineer it, and then put out a cheap version of their own...somtimes with exactly the same "features" and layout as the gear they were copying...just dressed up in the Behringer look.
That got a LOT of frowns and bad press from the audio gear manufacturing community.

I won't buy Behringer anymore because of that...and well, because they now do have such a bad rep.
I know the 9024 I have will sell for about 1/4 (if that) of what I paid for it (before I knew about the Behringer story). I think the reason their stuff often does have issues is because of how they "design" their gear...by simply copying.
They target the inexperienced and/or low budget people...often those just starting out. If they really knew how to make quality gear of their own, they would be also compeating with the higher-end gear manufacturers, but they never tread on that turf because they know they would fail.
 
One thing that I hate is when newbies post all excited about their new piece of gear and some of the crew makes them feel stupid for buying Behringer. It's budget gear ...... starter gear and it does that job just fine. No need to take the wind out of a newbies' sail. They're just getting started and they're happy with their new purchase. No need to ruin that for them. They'll progress to better gear in time.
So I really hate it when the Behringer bashing gets in the way of letting some newb be excited about his new toy.

I have some Behringer gear ....... meh ....... does the job ........ not great but not the worst either.

And yes, Behringer seems to steal their designs ........ I've heard some of their early circuit boards were so copied they actually had the Mackie logo etched on the board. :D

Thing is ...... I don't care. That's Mackies problem. In the first place ....... I'm betting that there are Mackie features and designs that are 'borrowed' from other earlier designs.
In the second place ....... I'm not Mackies' momma. I don't recall them ever sticking up for me when I had a problem. I don't give a crap if someone steals their designs ........ that just wouldn't enter into a buying decision for me.
Yeah, I know all the arguments but until they go above and beyond for me or my family (they never will) I don't see how it's my responsibility to make decisions based on what's best for them.
I make decisions based on what's best for me ...... I don't care if Mackie makes or loses money ........ if they go broke or if they sue and shut down Behringer. That's all their deal and they can handle it without my help. And the same applies to any other company Behringer steals designs from. They all do it to some extent ...... Behringer is just an extreme example.
 
From what I've seen is that Behringer is more suited for live use and not studio use and yeah it's better than say ..... Fisher Price. :D
 
moresound said:
From what I've seen is that Behringer is more suited for live use and not studio use and yeah it's better than say ..... Fisher Price. :D
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I was thinking Nady ..... that's some truly awful stuff there.
 
Lt. Bob said:
And yes, Behringer seems to steal their designs ........ I've heard some of their early circuit boards were so copied they actually had the Mackie logo etched on the board. :D

Thing is ...... I don't care.


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And the same applies to any other company Behringer steals designs from. They all do it to some extent ...... Behringer is just an extreme example.
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Yeah, everyone "borrows" from everyone that came before them to some degree.
I mainly don't see the benefit/value of buying a cheaper copy if I can get the real thing....that's the main reason I won't ever buy Behringer again. Not to sound snooty...but I'm past that kind of gear (or at least I'm trying to get totally past it, finances permitting).

Granted...we've all had our share of "knockoffs"...and maybe there's a time in everyone's audio/music life when that's all they can afford...but past that, it just ends up that the knockoffs will usually crap out sooner and don't function as well as the real thing, so I'm trying whenever I can to "buy up" these days...and the reality is that all my "lesser gear" has been or is slowly being sold/cycled out.
Did it to a job?
Meh...yeah, up to a point, but just because it's a "copy" it doesn't actually do as good a job as the real thing it was copied from...IMHO.

One thing about newbs and their low budget purchases...
We all probably started with one or two items and worked up, so I can appreciate that, and wouldn't slam someone just because they cant afford to buy up just yet....but sometimes there are newbs who take a very argumentative position about their cheap gear, and they even scoff at the notion that more expensive gear is worth it.
Those folks will always get slammed on audio forums. ;)
 
I'm not posting "ALL EXCITED", I'm just after a little bit of leway.I personaly dont care who they "steal" designs from, couldnt give two shits - they have got there own lawyers to sort out that shit. read my post and find that i cant wait to upgrade, but see that certain gear is helpfull to get started.
 
Scotti said:
I'm not posting "ALL EXCITED", I'm just after a little bit of leway.I personaly dont care who they "steal" designs from, couldnt give two shits - they have got there own lawyers to sort out that shit. read my post and find that i cant wait to upgrade, but see that certain gear is helpfull to get started.
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Calm down and re-read his post. He is agreeing with you. You do sound pretty pumped up, like you were looking for a fight that never happened. Everyone in this thread is on your side so far.
 
never had a problem with behringer...it is what it is..and my synths all go through a behri mixer so its in my recording chain every tune...never had one critique on my quality of sound or background noise


mind you people may think its deliberate lol

used to have lots of gear snobs on motorbike forums as well...funny thing is when you met them at the track many of them couldnt ride for shit, some were excellent though...fuckers :D
 
RAMI said:
Calm down and re-read his post. He is agreeing with you.
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:D

Yeah man...I've been poor, and had to scrounge to buy one or two things at a time.

The take-away here is that you should always buy up as much as your budget allows, because in most cases, you do get what you pay for. Granted, there are those fantastic I-can't-believe-this-costs-so-little items that end up being studio/audio staples, and even the pros end up with a bunch in their studios, but often the more complex audio gear does tend to improve with price...not always, but often.

So...buy what you can, just don't ever fall into any traps (about cheap gear or expensive gear).
 
I'm really enjoying the to and fro here, and cant wait for more, enjoy the gear you have when you have it, and learn from it. thats my main attack. it seems the real bashers wont post. hehe.
 
Yeah, I think we're with you on this one scotti. Regradless of anyone's opinion of a particular brand of gear, it wouldn't make sense to bash someone excited about just having purchased it.

I own a behri mic 100 pre. Possibly their cheapest and/or worst item. It cost about $30, and at the time, my budget for a pre was maybe $50...:o.

At least it allowed me to do what I needed to do and get started. Noisey? Yes, but it never failed me otherwise. Now I use it to create fuzzed-out bass tracks sometimes. Certainly worth the tiny amount I spent.
 
bouldersoundguy said:
I don't just dump on one brand for no reason, but I do point out issues when I see them. A lot of Behringer is junk, but it's cheap and can get you through. Some of it is pretty decent low end stuff. However:

http://www.fcc.gov/eb/News_Releases/DOC-263862A1.html
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and thats all been settled hasnt it?

in fact Mackies claims of copying their units was thrown out of court...and Roland were only too happy to take an out of court settlement

Im not a behri fanboi....but some of the prices charged by other companies are a tad over the top when compared to the value behri's budget gear offers...
 
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kcearl said:
and thats all been settled hasnt it?

in fact Mackies claims of copying their units was thrown out of court...and Roland were only too happy to take an out of court settlement

Im not a behri fanboi....but some of the prices charged by other companies are a tad over the top when compared to the value behri's budget gear offers...
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^^^^^ this ^^^^^^



RAMI said:
Calm down and re-read his post. He is agreeing with you. .
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yep ..... I was agreeing. I do see newbs post about some piece of gear they just got, they'll be happy about it .... and then someone will say, "Why did you waste your money on that piece of shit?"

I just don't see the point in bringing someone down at that moment.
 
Keep buying those $100 Chinese mics.

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A journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step. Whether that journey is made with Nikes on your feet or the latest wally-world special, you had the courage to take that first step. Every single person on this thread at one time was a beginner. Encourage and support, don't tear down and destroy.
 
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That way, when you do insult him, he's a mile away....and you've got his shoes!!!!
 
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