BBE Sonic Stomp Pedal

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gemsbok said:
the bbe only seperates the frequecies and re-aligns them to hit the speaker in a way there supposed to time wise.
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Shit! To think that all these years Hendrix, Page, Clapton, Keif, Beck, Santana, Townshend, Van Halen, Chet Atkins, Scotty Moore, Gary Moore, Brian May, Gilmour, Harrison, Stevie Ray, BB, Angus, Dwayne Allman, Roy Buchanan, Danny Gatton, Chuck Berry, Buddy Guy, James Burton, Mike Bloomfield, Freddy King, Steve Cropper, Knopfler, Ry Cooder, and hundreds of other greats have been hitting the speaker the wrong way!
 
EDAN said:
Page recorded with a cheap tiny 20 watt thunderbolt amp through a 6x9 (yes, 6x9) and 1x12 for most of the first two albums. Now, if someone out here was doing the same the first thing you'd say is "get a real amp, you can't get a professional sound from a 20 watt amp with a 6x9 speaker, can't expect it to sound big" etc etc etc.. tell it to Page!". Page also used many effects pedals that would now be considered cheap and cheezy. Saying something like "If you have a good sound you don't need a BBE" is missing the point, that's like saying if you have a good sound you don't need to double or triple the guitar track to make it bigger or what have you. That's like saying if you have a good sound there is no need for compression or reverb or effects or no need to get your album mastered. Come on, these are just tools, take them or leave them, but your comments are short sighted.
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Page also when right into the board and cranked the preamps to get distortion. Will that work on a Mackie? Nope! Will a BBE make it better? Nope!

I'm not saying that it doesn't have it's uses (live sound, reviving worn tape, etc...) but this BS about realigning the highs and lows to make up for the shortcomings of speakers is something that shouldn't be fallen for. That isn't a good, or even sane, reason to automaticly slap one in your guitar rig. I'm just trying to fight the tide of people that were snowed by some douchebag at guitar center into thinking they have a problem that they don't.

Along those same lines: As a sound engineer, the CD's that I mix have the highs in the exact phase alignment that I gave them. Who are these fools at BBE to second guess what I (and every other engineer) have done. I don't know of any commercial studio that perminently has a BBE in the monitoring chain to 'time align' the highs for more accurate monitoring.
 
yes all the classic dinosoaur guitar players made great music with there old crappy gear but if jimmy had a bbe i think he would of found a way to use it. heck he used the theremin and a vaccum cleaner for effect as i recall. i thought bbe claimed that if by using or running a signal through things suchs as cheap eqs and other tone feedback pedals the signal gets a little screwy so there unit just allows for re-aligning things. this doesnt mean fix anything per say. the screwed up phase you get through the thrash masters eq pedal and such is probably a cool sound.
 
The thing only has 2 knobs on it. If your EQ is messing with your phase alignment, it would be a complete accident that one of the 2 knobs on the BBE would align the exact set of frequencies that you screwed up with the EQ. EQs don't have a phase problem at a single point, it moves depending on how you set the EQ.

All that being said, what would be the chances that everything that can screw up your phase alignment (EQ's, crossovers, random pedals, etc...) would all cause the exact same alignment problem?

You are falling for the BS.
 
While speaking of Mr.Page, although I consider him a skilled master in the studio, his guitar sound on the first two albums were crap. Yes he used cheezy stuff, but remember that doesn't make him cool, since it sounded cheezy too. Listen to his "solo" or whatever it's supposed to be in "Whole lotta love"... sounds like shit.

For the rest of it, I agree totally with everything Farview has said. If you want good amp sound, get a good amp.

In my personal opinion, I fail to see why it has to be tube/solidstate/digital or 5/10/30/50/100 Watts, 6x9"/8"/10"12"/15" etc. The only thing that matters is, does it sound good? All combinations of these can sound wonderful if build right.

Use your ears, don't read ads like it was the bible.
 
i dont think the bbe can un-do bad eq. the hype is that it can fix the timing of the frequencies that hit the speaker. i dont care if it can make jimmy sound good. i agree with use your ears.i dont like bbe on a full mix but for heavy guitars alla chevelle and disturbed i think it works great.
 
Honestly, if you have a good tube amp cranked, running thru some good speakers in a solid cabinet, a nice sounding guitar with a good setup and action, using quality pickups you don't need anything like a BBE or Aural Exciter.

I've said it before and I'll say it again--good guitar sound is mainly about one thing: AMP, AMP and AMP.

The cheapest way to a good tone is just lay down the money for a good tube amp and call it a day. Then you're not left with the conundrum of buying eq's, distortion pedals, and all kinds of other stuff trying to find "your" tone thru a Crate halfstack or whatever piece of crap you're playing out of.
 
Stefan Elmblad said:
While speaking of Mr.Page, although I consider him a skilled master in the studio, his guitar sound on the first two albums were crap. Yes he used cheezy stuff, but remember that doesn't make him cool, since it sounded cheezy too. Listen to his "solo" or whatever it's supposed to be in "Whole lotta love"... sounds like shit.

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I was just listening to that solo the other day thinking how cool it sounded. :rolleyes:
Zep two was the first album I ever bought. :cool:
 
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