Sonixx
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that's fine... but you're still pretty defensive IMO...Cloneboy Studio said:C'mon, nobody respects people that don't argue and fight for their point of view.
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metalhead28 said:
Imagine my horror when we started working on vocals.
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punkorama
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im no expert in recording but i do like how he has mixed this project. i like death metal to be a little sloppy and not super tight with everything being perfect it gives it a nice raw type of sound
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xfinsterx
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Cloneboy Studio said:
Thanks! I appriciate that.
BTW i have zero problem with you dude.
Its just my general opinion that for all your knowledge and equipment you should be boasting much better sounding work, thats all.
Have a great day!!!
-Finster
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xfinsterx said:
IMHO I need musicians that are more skilled and have better taste to work with than what I usually get....
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geet73
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If that's what the band wanted.. then they're retarded. 
I should start putting "awesome" in my threads. I always only get a few posts.
I should start putting "awesome" in my threads. I always only get a few posts.
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Hubbawho
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hey clone boy...I'm curious as to who the band is. Do they have a webpage? Myspace? Purevolume? anything? Cuz even tho I don't agree with some of their production desires, I absolutely love the writing and I'd like to hear more of their music. thanks in advance.
Wireneck
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I would be interested in hearing one of "Your" mixes. It seems like most of the problems everyone is hearing was band induced so if you saved any of the alternates, I think it would be a cool comparison.
I know what your saying on some level but I have heard many a shitty band with a killer recording. You can't put it all off on the talent or lack of talent.
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Wireneck said:
Once again it depends on the level of editing that the band is willing to allow you to do, how much time they are willing to SPEND on editing, and the attitude of the engineer for turd polishing.
Perfect Example: I recorded a 60's-esque rock band that wasn't very good. While the drummer liked some editing (replacing duff snares with solid hits, etc) but the actual idea of sound replacement was out of the question. The rest of the band refused any kind of editing, sound replacement or reamping of their instruments. Also, the band refused any re-recording or punchins of ANY SORT. They wanted the recordings LIVE (recorded as a single unit), warts and all. When I did the first mix they told me it sounded "too good."
So once again, if a band is unwilling to pay for, or unwilling to allow you tools to edit them you are stuck.
However, this wasn't the case with this project. However, this is--to quote the band; "100% the way we've always wanted to sound." If you don't like the sounds or engineering I'd say it's personal preference on your part. Things may not be to one person's choice of sound but it's not from lack of engineering skill or expertise.
I delivered *EXACTLY* what the band wanted and they couldn't be happier. Ultimately that's my standard of "awesome."
After all, nobody here is paying my bills.
W.I.S.C.
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Awsome!! Female vox need a retake and doubling to really capture the essence of what the vocalist is going for the rest is f-ing mint!!! Guitars are a bit muffled in the mix and I don't like the kick sound, it needs more click and less thud, tell that drummer that 80's thud kick is O-U-T! Good song...I would buy this if the production was a bit better...Dig the acoustic sounds, too!!!
7string
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I totally agree with every negative response about this song. 100 percent! However, Clone Boy stated that THIS IS WHAT THEY WANTED. I say, you did a good job of giving them what they wanted even though you knew it blew. Take your money, tell them thanks and to come back anytime. Or send them to me. I can give them those results a whole lot cheaper and with less than 1/3 of the gear you have. 
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That's what I love about this site... everyone's an expert and could do it better than you can.
I hope you can run about 24 inputs simultaneously with high end mics... because the drummer had the following setup:
Kick 1a
Kick 1b
Kick 2a
Kick 2b
Snare
High Hat
Tom 1
Tom 2
Tom 3
Tom 4
Tom 5
Tom 6
Overhead Left
Overhead Right
Room Left
Room Right
China Mic
Splash Left
Splash Right
For the scratch tracks we also needed to run (with the above tracks):
Click
Guitar 1
Guitar 2
Bass
Vocal 1
Vocal 2
So yeah, I guess if you 25 inputs, 3 rooms to put everything to keep isolation, at least 5 headphone sends, and a whole bunch of mics--like 4 AKG 414 XL II's, 2 AKG C451's, 6 MD421's, 2 RE20's, 2 D112's, a SM81, an AKG D3500, an AT 4030, 2 SM57's (for scratch vox), and 3 direct inputs to AmpFarm I suppose you could pull it off.
Because that's how the band wanted to record--they had to have a "live" feeling for recording the drum tracks as a solid unit.
Oh yeah--I hope you have a really good system because the audio track count got over 65 simultaneous at some points... not to mention the 120+ plugins running simultaneously with all that.
So I'm not sure if you could do it *exactly* like the band wanted (although I have no doubt the result would be great). They had some very definite ideas about HOW and WHAT they wanted this recording to be like. Needless to say it wasn't their first time in a studio--which made some things easy and others difficult to accomplish to my 100% satisfaction. Ultimately, while compromised on some levels, I stand by their artistic choice and still consider this to be an excellent recording.
I'm going to take a long shot here, but if you are as good as you say you are--knowing the band--your results would probably sound almost identical to mine.
Heck, they are already planning their NEXT album and told me just today they want it to sound identical to this.
Can't argue with the client.
7string said:Or send them to me. I can give them those results a whole lot cheaper and with less than 1/3 of the gear you have.
I hope you can run about 24 inputs simultaneously with high end mics... because the drummer had the following setup:
Kick 1a
Kick 1b
Kick 2a
Kick 2b
Snare
High Hat
Tom 1
Tom 2
Tom 3
Tom 4
Tom 5
Tom 6
Overhead Left
Overhead Right
Room Left
Room Right
China Mic
Splash Left
Splash Right
For the scratch tracks we also needed to run (with the above tracks):
Click
Guitar 1
Guitar 2
Bass
Vocal 1
Vocal 2
So yeah, I guess if you 25 inputs, 3 rooms to put everything to keep isolation, at least 5 headphone sends, and a whole bunch of mics--like 4 AKG 414 XL II's, 2 AKG C451's, 6 MD421's, 2 RE20's, 2 D112's, a SM81, an AKG D3500, an AT 4030, 2 SM57's (for scratch vox), and 3 direct inputs to AmpFarm I suppose you could pull it off.
Because that's how the band wanted to record--they had to have a "live" feeling for recording the drum tracks as a solid unit.
Oh yeah--I hope you have a really good system because the audio track count got over 65 simultaneous at some points... not to mention the 120+ plugins running simultaneously with all that.
So I'm not sure if you could do it *exactly* like the band wanted (although I have no doubt the result would be great). They had some very definite ideas about HOW and WHAT they wanted this recording to be like. Needless to say it wasn't their first time in a studio--which made some things easy and others difficult to accomplish to my 100% satisfaction. Ultimately, while compromised on some levels, I stand by their artistic choice and still consider this to be an excellent recording.
I'm going to take a long shot here, but if you are as good as you say you are--knowing the band--your results would probably sound almost identical to mine.
Heck, they are already planning their NEXT album and told me just today they want it to sound identical to this.
Can't argue with the client.
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xfinsterx
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Clone boy just gave me a neg. rep point....
Haha!
Oh no, my rep is in danger!
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You dont take critiques well i take it?
Dont post a thread if you cant take a little criticism bro.
You gotta be a big boy like everyone else and get over yourself if youre gonna post here.
-Finster
Haha!
Oh no, my rep is in danger!
.You dont take critiques well i take it?
Dont post a thread if you cant take a little criticism bro.
You gotta be a big boy like everyone else and get over yourself if youre gonna post here.
-Finster
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Man... after listening and reading this thread, I realize how much I have to learn.... shit..... 
Is the chick singer hot at least????????
Is the chick singer hot at least????????
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xfinsterx said:
Criticism is fine, but in your first post you were being a little oozing snatch.
Rather than post it publically I aired my discontent privately. I guess if you can't take private rebutals for your comments, you shouldn't post comments.
metalhead28
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Cloneboy Studio said:
A-ha....here lies the problem with this thread......
Everybody knows that AWESOME is at least 75% better than GREAT......
Frosted Flakes are great.....just ask Tony.....that mother fucker will tell you...
But "Awesome Kong" shits in everybody's Frosted Flakes because he is just so frickin AWESOME! So obviously.....Awesome is better......
Now lets put all the bickering behind us.
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xfinsterx
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Cloneboy Studio said:
A little oozing snatch?
That makes you sound un-professional.
Juvenile.
I wont get sucked into that kind of childish banter.
Its just very clear that you dont take criticizm well.
This will be my last post in any of your threads dude.
-Finster
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xfinsterx said:
WAH! I'm taking my ball and going home!
Man, you can barely dish it out and can't take it at all....
Never forget YOU are the one coming in here with all the attitude, implying that you are just *the* superior recordist in the universe, and when you get pushed back you run home to momma.
Truth is I've heard your recorded work. It's really good, on the same level of work that I do... and that just *bugs* you that you can't be king shit.
Loser.
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imellow64
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wow that was a great tune heavy stuff i'm new to recording so no tips from me lol
metalhead28
Hates Raymond
I can't take this anymore without chiming in with a little more seriousness.
First of all, I don't think that Finster was ever out of line is his post(s). Furthermore I don't think that he ever strayed from a professional attitude in his comments about the recording, and certainly never entered the realm of an "oozing snatch". I must say that that was a little over the top.
Secondly, you must admit that you are adopting a decidedly elitist attitude towards your work, rather than accepting people's criticisms for what they are....simply opinions. Nobody, including Finster I'm sure (although I obviously cannot speak for him), is questioning your abilities as an engineer.
It seems that you yourself can admit that this track is far from what you would consider proper, let alone an awesome sound due to limitations outside of your control....and nobody can argue with that. But with that in mind, one would expect you to accept criticism with a little more understanding.... especially when you submit the material for our review under the title "awesome". You are certainly a very skilled engineer, and I have alot of respect for you, but this defensiveness is just rediculous. Besides, I don't think you have anything to prove anyway, who the hell does on this forum??
Something else to add, and this applies to anybody who posts here, not just the pros - The music will speak for you, not the gear list. That is just rediculous to rub the gear and the experience in everybody's face. It doesn't matter if you used 100,000 dollars worth of vintage gear to record it, it is still the impression on the listener that matters, and one would think that those impressions would mean alot to you being a professional in the recording industry. That begins to approach pretentious crap to defend the quality of something based on the equipment used rather than actual impressions of the listeners. Perhaps that is not what you're really trying to do, and I'm not trying to catagorize what kind of person you are, But there is no denying that this is the impression you give anyone who reads through this thread.
BTW, I never thought this sucked at all (besides the tragically bad clean vocals) In fact I rather liked the departure from the norm with some of the sounds. I even understood your plight about the requirements of the band, but all of this defensiveness and elitist attitude has seriously lowered my opinion of the whole thing......sorry, just being honest.
First of all, I don't think that Finster was ever out of line is his post(s). Furthermore I don't think that he ever strayed from a professional attitude in his comments about the recording, and certainly never entered the realm of an "oozing snatch". I must say that that was a little over the top.
Secondly, you must admit that you are adopting a decidedly elitist attitude towards your work, rather than accepting people's criticisms for what they are....simply opinions. Nobody, including Finster I'm sure (although I obviously cannot speak for him), is questioning your abilities as an engineer.
It seems that you yourself can admit that this track is far from what you would consider proper, let alone an awesome sound due to limitations outside of your control....and nobody can argue with that. But with that in mind, one would expect you to accept criticism with a little more understanding.... especially when you submit the material for our review under the title "awesome". You are certainly a very skilled engineer, and I have alot of respect for you, but this defensiveness is just rediculous. Besides, I don't think you have anything to prove anyway, who the hell does on this forum??
Something else to add, and this applies to anybody who posts here, not just the pros - The music will speak for you, not the gear list. That is just rediculous to rub the gear and the experience in everybody's face. It doesn't matter if you used 100,000 dollars worth of vintage gear to record it, it is still the impression on the listener that matters, and one would think that those impressions would mean alot to you being a professional in the recording industry. That begins to approach pretentious crap to defend the quality of something based on the equipment used rather than actual impressions of the listeners. Perhaps that is not what you're really trying to do, and I'm not trying to catagorize what kind of person you are, But there is no denying that this is the impression you give anyone who reads through this thread.
BTW, I never thought this sucked at all (besides the tragically bad clean vocals) In fact I rather liked the departure from the norm with some of the sounds. I even understood your plight about the requirements of the band, but all of this defensiveness and elitist attitude has seriously lowered my opinion of the whole thing......sorry, just being honest.