Audition 2.0 officially announced and available

[timboZ]

Also check out this podcast with Hart talking abour Ver 2.
http://www.audio2u.com/buildingthepod.htm (Episode 30)

 

[Change of POETS]

Yeah, educational versions imply that students buy them. We're talking about educational versions, not second hand versions of editions or pirated copies.

Actually, we are talking about a second hand version. He said he bought it on Ebay for $39.00... That means it is a second hand product, regardless if it's educational or not.

When people call me and say, "I bought your product on Ebay, I'd like to upgrade it" we say, "Sorry about your luck. Our license is not transferable."

If it was purchased on E-bay, it's second hand. Adobe most likely won't allow you to register a second hand license.

 

[ozpeter]

There are transfer conditions in the EULA -

4.4 No Transfer. YOU MAY NOT RENT, LEASE, SELL, SUBLICENSE, ASSIGN OR TRANSFER YOUR RIGHTS IN THE SOFTWARE, OR AUTHORIZE ANY PORTION OF THE SOFTWARE TO BE COPIED ONTO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL OR LEGAL ENTITY'S COMPUTER EXCEPT AS MAY BE PERMITTED HEREIN. You may, however, transfer all your rights to use the Software to another individual or legal entity provided that: (a) you also transfer (i) this agreement, (ii) the serial number(s), the Software and all other software or hardware bundled, packaged or pre-installed with the Software, including all copies, upgrades, updates and prior versions, and (iii) all copies of font software converted into other formats to such individual or entity; (b) you retain no upgrades, updates or copies, including backups and copies stored on a computer; and (c) the receiving party accepts the terms and conditions of this agreement and any other terms and conditions under which you purchased a valid license to the Software. NOTWITHSTANDING THE FOREGOING, YOU MAY NOT TRANSFER EDUCATION, PRE-RELEASE, OR NOT FOR RESALE COPIES OF THE SOFTWARE. Prior to a transfer Adobe may require that you and the receiving party confirm in writing your compliance with this agreement, provide Adobe with information about yourselves, and register as end-users of the Software. Allow 4-6 weeks to transfer. Please visit http://www.adobe.com/support or contact Adobe's Customer Support Department for more information.

Sorry for that, but the only way properly to deal with the point is with a large quote!

 

[billv]

Are any stores, online or otherwise selling the upgrade for less $$ than the Adobe site?

Thanks!

 

[Silverwulf]

Actually, we are talking about a second hand version.

Umm...no, we weren't. You may have spoken to a poster a while back in regards to his $39 E-Bay version, but you quoted me and my question in my post that was speaking solely about educational versions. Let me copy again for you:

"I thought upgrade's were available on most of the education versions that Adobe offers? I have a buddy who had a copy of 1.0 that upgraded just fine to 1.5 I think. And I know people that have had education versions of Sonar and upgraded with no trouble, also."

Never in my post did I mention anything about a second hand version. If you wanted to speak in regards to second hand versions, you were quoting the wrong poster. I was posing my statement in regards to educational versions, and I stated that I've known others that have upgraded educational verisons from Adobe with no problems. The same applies to products from Sonar.

 

[Silverwulf]

There are transfer conditions in the EULA -

4.4 No Transfer. YOU MAY NOT RENT, LEASE, SELL, SUBLICENSE, ASSIGN OR TRANSFER YOUR RIGHTS IN THE SOFTWARE, OR AUTHORIZE ANY PORTION OF THE SOFTWARE TO BE COPIED ONTO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL OR LEGAL ENTITY'S COMPUTER EXCEPT AS MAY BE PERMITTED HEREIN. You may, however, transfer all your rights to use the Software to another individual or legal entity provided that: (a) you also transfer (i) this agreement, (ii) the serial number(s), the Software and all other software or hardware bundled, packaged or pre-installed with the Software, including all copies, upgrades, updates and prior versions, and (iii) all copies of font software converted into other formats to such individual or entity; (b) you retain no upgrades, updates or copies, including backups and copies stored on a computer; and (c) the receiving party accepts the terms and conditions of this agreement and any other terms and conditions under which you purchased a valid license to the Software. NOTWITHSTANDING THE FOREGOING, YOU MAY NOT TRANSFER EDUCATION, PRE-RELEASE, OR NOT FOR RESALE COPIES OF THE SOFTWARE. Prior to a transfer Adobe may require that you and the receiving party confirm in writing your compliance with this agreement, provide Adobe with information about yourselves, and register as end-users of the Software. Allow 4-6 weeks to transfer. Please visit http://www.adobe.com/support or contact Adobe's Customer Support Department for more information.

Sorry for that, but the only way properly to deal with the point is with a large quote!

This simply applies to individuals looking to transfer the rights to an educational version of the software. It doesn't specify anything for those looking to upgrade.

 

[demensia]

I wasn't trying to turn this into a licensing thread.
I bought the product off ebay.
I talked to Adobe, they didn't care.
I bought the upgrade. It worked.
Done.


I liked 1.5 better. They changed everything. I may return it. I have 30 days.

 

[Silverwulf]

I wasn't trying to turn this into a licensing thread.
I bought the product off ebay.
I talked to Adobe, they didn't care.
I bought the upgrade. It worked.
Done.


I liked 1.5 better. They changed everything. I may return it. I have 30 days.

Thanks for the info, and props to Adobe. That's a how a good, reputable company should operate to begin with.

So what do you not like about 2.0 so far?

 

[demensia]

What I dont like is how CPU intensive it has begun. If I'm playing back a track and I switch over to internet explorer to read something, the playback distorts, jerks and skips as I scroll up and down a page.

If I use real time effects, they generate serious artifacts.. that never happened in 1.5.

They changed the play button on the transport bar.. The > and the > with the circle switched places.. It drives me crazy.

The whole performance of the program seems to have degraded.
I'm running a 1.7 G processor with 768 megs of ram and it runs crappy. 1.5 ran fine.

Mind you, this could all be good enhancements, I might not have it configured correct, since I don't really understand what they did with the ASIO drivers.. I was just used to CEP and AA1.5... this is a big change.

 

[warrengtype]

What I dont like is how CPU intensive it has begun. If I'm playing back a track and I switch over to internet explorer to read something, the playback distorts, jerks and skips as I scroll up and down a page.

If I use real time effects, they generate serious artifacts.. that never happened in 1.5.

They changed the play button on the transport bar.. The > and the > with the circle switched places.. It drives me crazy.

The whole performance of the program seems to have degraded.
I'm running a 1.7 G processor with 768 megs of ram and it runs crappy. 1.5 ran fine.

Mind you, this could all be good enhancements, I might not have it configured correct, since I don't really understand what they did with the ASIO drivers.. I was just used to CEP and AA1.5... this is a big change.

Yeah, I noticed this too. It uses far more CPU than 1.5.

As far as ASIO, AA1.5 was not compatible with ASIO drivers. This new version is. That just means that you can use your soundcard's drivers instead of the crappy windows drivers. Which means you get extremely low latency for direct monitoring.

 

[ozpeter]

... but you don't get something for nothing, unfortunately - once you get past simple sessions, you do need a PC with more than the minimum spec to run this well.

 

[warrengtype]

Well see, I have Cubase SX3. (before that I always used AA1.5... don't ask me why I got AA2 when I already have SX3. I'm addicted to this stuff, ok? It was an impulse buy! My curiosity got the better of me!)

Anyway, I noticed that SX3 runs smoother than AA2. And SX3 has more to it, what with the awesome midi capabilities and all. I can chain a lot more real time effects in Cubase before it starts to stutter than I can in AA2.

I don't want to scare people off of AA2, though. I've been playing with it a lot this morning and it's actually a pretty hefty update. Lots of good stuff that wasn't available before. In fact, I'd say it's almost on par with Cubase now as far as audio editing goes. Almost. I really like the mixer, and of course the asio compatibility makes a huge difference. A lot of the effects have been redone or updated... There's a lot more to it than 1.5.

To the people complaining about how different it is, I'd say give it a chance. I think you'll appreciate all the additions if you keep at it.

 

[Silverwulf]

What I dont like is how CPU intensive it has begun. If I'm playing back a track and I switch over to internet explorer to read something, the playback distorts, jerks and skips as I scroll up and down a page.

If I use real time effects, they generate serious artifacts.. that never happened in 1.5.

They changed the play button on the transport bar.. The > and the > with the circle switched places.. It drives me crazy.

The whole performance of the program seems to have degraded.
I'm running a 1.7 G processor with 768 megs of ram and it runs crappy. 1.5 ran fine.

Mind you, this could all be good enhancements, I might not have it configured correct, since I don't really understand what they did with the ASIO drivers.. I was just used to CEP and AA1.5... this is a big change.

Hmm...I'll have to give it a shot before I decide to update. I'm running a 3.2 GHz PC with 1 GB of RAM that's getting ready to be updated to 2 GB, so hopefully it shouldn't be an issue. I usually never run any other programs along with AA either.

 

[demensia]

I really only do simple sessions. I'm a singer songwriter.. Its hardly more than 3 tracks.

 

[Jim Y]

I note the program is optimised for Intel SSE cpu instructions, so if you have an earlier AthlonXP or Duron, your machine will definately struggle. If you must have an AMD system, a fast Sempron is probably the least you can get away with (they do support SSE).

The way the new Audio engine works will mean it has to be continuously open to all processes so that it is immediately able to play the current arrangement with no tedious wait for the pre-mix as in the old system. This costs CPU cycles, no avoiding that. That said, Cubase and Sonar have the same issues to contend with, but they have been working this way for much, much longer.

With a power hungry app, users will have to learn to keep things optimal and not expect to have their machine doing all sorts of things in the background, unless it has state-of-the-art performance. By way of balance, the fact that AA no longer records everything to temp files first should mean smoother and slicker operation for those recording multitrack, especially to a laptops internal drive.

 

[ozpeter]

I've been using Cubase SX3 with a Motu Traveler and HP NX8220 laptop for live classical music location recording work for radio, and I have to say I've found SX3 to be not very suitable for this kind of thing - setting it up for each session was something I had to do at home, carefully, before going to the job, because of the complexities of the routing and mixer, and with sundry options settable in sundry places. Just very unfriendly to this particular user - others of course may be more familiar with it and have a different experience.

Audition 2.0 by contrast seems much more dedicated to that kind of task - a cleaner interface, much easier to configure, pretty intuitive for anyone coming from an Audition/Cool Edit background, and being able to lay out the screen exactly to one's own requirements for the job in hand, the screen configuration in use, and personal preference, is a great feature. Not having midi etc is a big plus if you're not using it - out goes a load of interface clutter at a stroke.

And of course key to AA2.0's suitability for live concert recording is the fact that they've done away with temp files - no saving of data at the end. That was what ruled out AA1.5 and before for that purpose (for me anyway).

 

[greenascanbe]

Well I broke down and upgraded this weekend. I downloaded it straight from the Adobe site.

Downloading took about an hour and a half, set up about 15 minutes. Pretty easy and quick.

Came with updated loops. Though I haven’t looked through them it seems to be the same stuff as the 1.5.

Also came with a premium when you register. Got the free tube compressor.

There is a link that says click here to download Total Training 2.0. But it just takes you to the tutorial website. A lot of posters on the Adobe site have complained about this. Total Training was great for 1.5 but it cost extra ($149.00) so why Adobe would just give it away is questionable. (BTW: I would buy it since I don’t like to go through manuals every time I have a question)

The new interface takes some time getting used to, but most of it is pretty easy to figure out just exploring.

The new drivers are great, although I had to reload the ones for my echo. I’ll be doing tests on the firepod tonight. Seems to run a bit smoother on my laptop.

New compressor is far superior than the one on 1.5. All the fx pre’s seem to have a rhyme or reason (drum setting, guitar and vocal settings for compressors, eqs) than just random settings. The preset brought more life to my drum loops but will probably require more adjustments.

The mastering suite looks nice. I tried to master the Audition theme last night and it’s pretty much the same results as 1.5, which means I will outsource it or just send it off to a pro.

I haven’t tried full recording session yet, but I have one this weekend. Will update

 

[demensia]

There is a link that says click here to download Total Training 2.0. But it just takes you to the tutorial website. A lot of posters on the Adobe site have complained about this. Total Training was great for 1.5 but it cost extra ($149.00) so why Adobe would just give it away is questionable. (BTW: I would buy it since I don’t like to go through manuals every time I have a question)

I sat with Adobe support for 2 hours on this, it was escallated up to there level 2 support and I was assured that even though the link said "Download Total Training" they meant to send you to the tutorial site. It's very obviously a mistake that they wouldn't admit to.. I fought about it for a while and then just decided I had fought for too long and I wasn't getting anywhere.

Was the 1.5 video worth the $150?

 

[greenascanbe]

Was the 1.5 video worth the $150?

I got it off e-bay for $70, and would say it was well worth it.

It just depends on how you pick up stuff the best. As I've said before I've never been one that was patient with manuals and would toss them and start clicking and exploring until I got where I wanted. So having a video that showed you the interface, how and where everything is and how it works and take you through everything step by step was great.

So for me it was worth the $70 bucks. But if your someone you can work through the manual it's probably a waste. I guess it depends if your a book smart or perfer that one-on-one instruction.

 

[demensia]

I'm sending it back.

I can't suggest that anyone buy this upgrade.