at 3035 for $150?

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hello, this is my first post of many, i'd imagine.

aynways, i've been shopping around for a condensor mic for about two years (lack of money), and big suprise guitar center dicked me around and to make it up they offered me an AT 3035 for $150 w/ shockmount... normally it's $200. my question is this:

should i go with the AT 3035? is it a good mic? i've seen it ripped on pretty frequently on this board... or should i try to talk him into giving me a discount on a better mic, and which mic if so...

basically i'm using the mic for recording everything, so versitaility is important.

thanks for any help.
 
I am a HUGE fan of Audio Technica mics, and yet sadly I cannot recommend the 3035. You will be disappointed, because it looks like the good ones, but there the similarity ends. The music store employee knows that, and that's why he's trying to do you this dubious "favor."

If you want to bargain with the salesman for a large diaphragm condenser microphone, you may wish to point out that Mars Music offers the Marshall MXL V67 for $150, and you'd like them to match the Mars Music price on the V67 and throw in the MXL-57 shockmount ($49.95) for free -- THAT would be a good deal, not an AT3035.

He may tell you (correctly) that the model sold by Mars Music is exclusive to them, the V67M, and that they (the Guitar Center) carry only the MXL V67G. While that's true, you tell him, it's exactly the same mic, except the Mars Music version is wired with Mogami cable, which is better, and you STILL think they should give you the V67G and the MXL-57 shockmount for $150. That at least would be a true $50 savings AND land you with a decent mic.

If they won't go for it, cut your losses and shop elsewhere. More than one person on this list has talked Sam Ash into giving them this deal, so don't waste too much energy on the Guitar Center.

I'm sorry you had a bad experience, but please don't compound it by buying the 3035.

Best wishes,

Mark H.
 
I don't think GC sells Marshalls. I tried to order a 603 from them a couple of months ago and they couldn't do it for me. But if they are offering you 25% off the 3035 make them match that discount on another piece of gear.

Believe me, if you are persistent ("hey, you guys already screwed me, and look at all of the gear I've already bought from you and all of the gear I will buy in the future"), GC will almost always give you what you want. Don't take "no" for an answer. They will fold.
 
well...

guitar center is awful.

i went back there the next morning, and told the salesman i didn't want the 3035. he seemed stunned. i told him i was interested in getting a discount on a different microphone. he laughed and said "you don't want another microphone" and said that a discount on another mic was impossible, and demanded to know why the AT3035 wasn't good enough. i told him i heard it wasn't as good as some of the other mics. then he pointed at the blueberry and said "well yeah, compared to that one it's not as good" and i said "no, i heard it wasn't good compared to the oktava, and all the other mics". i think he was hurt, he said "i use an AT3035 and i love it!" i said "i'm taking my business elsewhere" and left...

avoid Jose at the Arlington Heights (IL) Guitar Center. he is the reason they lost a lifelong customer.
 
Re: well...

jim at 138 bpm said:
guitar center is awful

avoid Jose at the Arlington Heights (IL) Guitar Center. he is the reason they lost a lifelong customer.

Jim,

what about Gand? I know they are up that way, and they always love to hear Guitar Center lose a customer to them. Maybe they will give you a better break ....


nP
 
the closest GC to me is NewOrleans (75 miles) so I always call to see who will be in Pro Audio before I go....most of the assclowns they have working there arent worth even trying to deal with.....
 
Jim, sorry to hear about your disaster at GC. Here's what I have done twice on important purchases: First, before I even enter the store I make sure I know exactly what I want and that my request is reasonable (or almost reasonable--I know what I want and also what I will settle for) and that a good store manager will want to make me happy. Second, I make sure I act civil and respectful to everybody.

Now, the second a salesperson cops any kind of attitude other than "I will do my best to make you happy sir," I ask for the department manager. I refuse to argue with salespeople. If the department manager fails also, I ask/demand to see the store manager. I am always calm and civil but very persistent. I do not take excuses/no for an answer. Anyone who gives me shit will be sorry they did.

I always ask to talk to the store manager in his/her office privately. My demeanor lets the store manager know that I know that I am in a position of power (I have money, they want my money--they are not the only ones who sell gear), but I don't rub his/her face in it. I treat the store manager very respectfully, I just say I am not getting what I want and that I am not happy about it--the undertone is that he/she may lose a lifelong customer if I am not satisfied. I want to give the store manager every opportunity to use their power to solve my problem so they can feel good about themselves.

I want to strike a bond with them if I can. I even joke with them--try to make them like me. If they have pictures of their family I'll compliment them on what a fine looking family they have--especially the kids. Or, if they have some object of interest in their office I will inquire about it with interest. I want the store manager to want to help me.

I want them to feel important--only they can solve my problem. As a mater of fact, after asking if we could please talk in their office, I start the conversation like this: "Hi David, my name is Tom, and I have this problem that I'm hoping you can solve for me."

Then I carefully tell them my story in a way that lets them know I have confidence they will solve my problem.

My point is this: don't let a sales person take the power away from you. There are too many good deals to be had at GC to let some dude run you off forever. Take charge. If you have to go to the store manger to get what you want, then do it. If the store manager is incompetent then you walk. And you can always report them to corporate.

This method gets results: You have the power, take charge, be nice, persist until you get what you want.

It's a very good feeling to get what you want.
 
thanks for that lengthy response t-duke. i've done that sort of thing plenty of times in my life, in fact my favorite thing to do is to go to Sam Ash or any store and say "guitar center has it for $(make up fake price here) will you match it?" and then they say "i don't believe that, i'll call over to guitar center!" and they sit on hold for like 10 minutes and finally they just give it to you for whatever price you named... i've really got no problems being assertive, it's just that i'm tired of even being in guitar center, it's really not worth saving an extra $20 to put myself through that kind of annoyance.
 
Yep, you're both right.

I spent 13 years in retail, and anyone who behaved as Tdukex described could have anything they wanted, especially if we had screwed up. I would only add that it helps if you dress well. ;-) Goodwill is worth a LOT in a competitive market.

Imagine the ripple effect if your posting had been about how GREAT the people at GC had treated you instead of the problems they'd caused. Everyone makes mistakes, but intentional deception is unacceptable.

I have a walk-away figure in my head that's gotten larger as I've gotten older. By staying positive and expecting good will, I save FAR more money in the long run. Sometimes, when someone has refused a smallish return, I just smile and say to the clerk, "OK, I won't be shopping here any more, and I don't like to carry around bad memories -- would you mind throwing this away for me?"

From a business management standpoint, your one posting here has already cost CG hundreds of dollars in business (probably much more) -- if I worked for them (anywhere, in any city, in any capacity), I'd be on this forum offering to make things right by you, just to get you back and to change readers' minds about how they do business.

There are two techniques that I recommend only as a last resort and when the amount at issue is over your walk-away limit.

Announce that either they will help you, or you feel you must return everything you've ever bought from them for a full refund so that you can start over with a different music store. Don't be defiant -- be sad and gentle -- after all, you're giving up on the relationship. It's a lot of work for you, and you realize it will be a big hassle for them. If they remind you of time limits on refunds, you say that unfortunately, then, the manager will have to contact corporate headquarters so that they can get your refunds approved before you return with a carload of merchandise, because once you show up with it, you have no intention of leaving the store until they've made it right by you one way or the other.

In the unlikely event that it comes to that, then have a friend accompany you with a camcorder. NEVER use any profanity or name-calling, and NEVER touch anyone, regardless of provocation. But feel free to speak in your best train-stopping stage voice, and express your concerns to all the customers walking through the door. Ask questions instead of making statements (e.g., "Why would anyone want to buy something from a store that has treated me so badly?" instead of "Don't shop here; they're jerks!").

If their store security is inexperienced enough to throw you out on your ear in front of the camera, well, you know where to go from there. When your attorney sends you your share of the settlement, spend it on equipment somewhere other than CG.

People like tdukex emit a vibe that only imbeciles and drunks can ignore. I get VERY nervous around someone who is calm about their claim, because they already know they are right. My best boss taught me the best lesson in retail: decide within the first second or two what you're willing to do, and then be as nice about it as you can. What's the point of making your customer defensive if you know already that you're going to give him a refund anyway? You might as well be so gracious about it that they remember the experience as surprisingly pleasant -- it costs the store the same whether you piss someone off or make them feel like they're the most important person you've dealt with all day.

Best wishes,

Mark H.
 
Guitar Center bad

I used to shop at the GC in Hollywood when it was accross the street from the huge "rock walk" store that exists now. A few disheveled guys selling gear behind old wooden counters w/ broken glass. They even had a bunch of drum hardware junk piles and, believe it or not, sold used drum heads! I was pretty young then, and I would spend the few dollars I had on pieces of hardware that I could duct tape together and occasionally I got a used no-name drum head to replace a broken one. When it came to buying my first microphone, the guy completely rooked me on the mic AND the stand. I didn't know any better. I was a kid, and he was a pro, right? I hope the beer money he got from that commission was worth losing me as a customer from then on.

After the huge GC was built across the street, I had to check it out. New staff, big fancy displays, and HUGE, nice clean store. The guys in the drum department were your new best buddies. All smiles and jokes..all the way to the cash register. I'd learned how to haggle a little, and knew a little more about gear, but dammit, I STILL GOT ROOKED! I finally got smart and stopped going there.

Sure, looking back it seems obvious now, but at the time all I wanted was to get my stuff and get back to band practice. I had no money back then, so the rip-offs had much more of an impact on my bank account. For them it was like stealing candy from a baby.

So, when I started making money and could afford better stuff, I would spend it anywhere but there. Lesson learned: shop around and do your research!

In the 20 years since then, I've picked up a ton of drum gear, dozens of snare drums. I then moved on to a really bad case of "guitar acquisition disease" along with a killer stomp-box fetishe. And I got serious about recording. As we all know, recording is where the gear-aholic tendencies REALLY kick in. I'll admit to spending maybe $500 at GC over the years when they had blow-out deals on a little doodad or maybe some essentials in a pinch. But it might have been oh-so-much more..

I can't really blame the sales guys. They're just trying to pay the bills or earn enough for their own gear needs. It must be the sales philosophy or something that comes from the top. It's just bad. All I can say is, for someone starting out, don't let the "gotta have it" feeling influence your purchases. GC doesn't have anything that you can't find somewhere else. The selection and availability of standard gear is useful in an emergency, but for anything else..your money is much better spent somewhere that still understands that repeat business is good, and that customers are more than just a sucker with a credit card.
 
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