Art tube MP vs Studio V3?

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its transferral..it wont fix whatever's broken..Id advise you to take a couple of steps back and analyse what you gain in all this...at the end of the day you are probably doing your self image more harm than good

Im not looking to gain a thing...I like to pass on what Ive learned doing this for the past 18 years...Ive been new to this too...and I bought a few bad things...but the difference is I know by now what is good or bad.

If I was just here for a goof and wanted to see others fail then Id just let people buy all the broke down junk that sales-pigs are pushing on them at the guitar center...after all we are all wallets with legs to all of them.

Its not even a money thing...most of the time there is a good alternitive to a bad POS for the same money...you just have to shop arround and not get the first thing you see.

And guess what...I make my living at this and my self image is just fine.
 
Just consider this.

Do you remember the first real set of monitors you bought?

I do. I went from the aforementioned Sony's to a pair of EV MS802. Yeah, they're actually more of a mid-field solution, but the difference was starkly revealing. I learned more by working with the Sony's then moving to the EV's than if I had started with the EV's from the get go. Don't discount discovery. It's as important a learning tool as advice is.
 
You're digging those heels in again! For the sake of our home audience, I'll respond yet again:

Where am I now? You wanna know where I am? I'm sitting right in the middle of a room full of gear beyond my wildest imagination. 20 guitars and a half dozen amps (which I play), killer drums & percussion (which I don't play!) 4 or 5 keyboards (which I play half-assed), racks full of preamps and outboard gear, dozens of mics (like at least 60 or 70), and all managed by a healthy dose of nice 703 panels and traps.

GUESS WHAT (drum roll please...) I don't make a nickel off any of it!!!.

And I see a man that has invested very badly...seeing as how I have just as much or more gear and all mine was bought by money made by the gear itself...if you applied yourself you could make a buisness out of it and make some money...Ive heard you and you are pretty good...why cant you make a nickel off of any of it.
I have some advice for you now...shit or get off the pot...you just might like owning a pro studio.
 
Just consider this.

Do you remember the first real set of monitors you bought?

I do. I went from the aforementioned Sony's to a pair of EV MS802. Yeah, they're actually more of a mid-field solution, but the difference was starkly revealing. I learned more by working with the Sony's then moving to the EV's than if I had started with the EV's from the get go. Don't discount discovery. It's as important a learning tool as advice is.

Yeah mine were Alesis monitor 1s...I wish Id been steered away from those...lol...the ones I have now costed me less and are in on every pro desk in the buisness.
I saw a pair of those EV MS802s on the craigslist for $100...I might look into them
 
Sometimes that is the best advice you can give someone...you and I both know that this is a very expensive hobbie there is no cheap way to get pro results...and if I recall he only had $150...and you should be commited to it if you want to start building a home studio...if all you want to do is finish a little project or just record yourself then you should leave that to a professional...that would have given him the results for that money.

Telling people that they should start a plumbing buisness is bad advice if they are asking you how to stop a drip in thier fawcett...sometimes you just tell them to call a plumber....think about it.

Ok, I've been trying to stay mostly out of this one, but I gotta draw a line somewhere.

That's a load of crap. Saying "if you only have $150, you should spend it on a pro studio rather than trying to record yourself" only makes ANY sense if you assume that the OP is only concerned about the final project and isn't at ALL interested in getting into recording as a hobby, or as a means for documenting the songs he's written to pass out to (or look for) bandmates, or any of a hundred other reasons why one might want to learn how to record themselves.

Yes, getting "pro" results costs a fair amount of money. No one's disagreeing. But you can make "decent" recordings for surprisingly cheap these days, and you can make tolerable recordings for next to nothing. I don't have 18 years under my belt, but I'm porobably pushing half that, and when I started my budget was about, oh, nothing - I recorded for the first year or so (and got results that were hardly pro but were surprisingly good considering what I was working with) with one of those little whammy-bar looking computer mics straight into my soundcard, because I didn't have anything else, and eventually "upgraded' to a $30 radio shack SM58 knockoff with an XLR-1/4" cable running into a 1/4" to 1/8" adaptor straight into that same soundcard, a few years later augmented occasionally by a Johnson J-Station. Sure, no one would confuse what I was doing for a "pro" recording, but it also sure as hell didn't sound like a $40 setup or, after the J-Station, a $200 setup (toss $60 in there if you want to record a copy of Sonic Foundry Acid 2.0).

And you know what? I had a blast. I learned a ton, and now that I've moved on to marginally better things, I REALLY appreciate the better gear I now get to work with, but I'm also just as appreciative of all that time I spent "polishing a turd" because I learned a hell of a lot about polishing, which still serves me well today.

So, if the OP wants to record and needs to do it on the cheap, then it absolutely makes sense to look at cheap gear. Telling him "don't bother, hire a pro" completely misses the point. Maybe you don't enjoy recording and mixing, but I happen to have a lot of fun with this hobby, and the act is almost as much fun as the finished product for me.

Grow up.

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And I see a man that has invested very badly...seeing as how I have just as much or more gear and all mine was bought by money made by the gear itself...if you applied yourself you could make a buisness out of it and make some money...Ive heard you and you are pretty good...why cant you make a nickel off of any of it.
I have some advice for you now...shit or get off the pot...you just might like owning a pro studio.

Don't be retarded. There are two ways in which buying something is a worthwhile economic transaction - one, if you expect to reap fiscal reward such that the present value of all future cash flows associated with said purchase discounted at an appropriate discount rate is greater than the purchase price, or two, if you reap non-fiscal enjoyment from the purchase such that you generate greater utility by making the purchase vs spending your money elsewhere. Whitestrat is pretty clearly off-the-charts happy in the second camp, and from the talk I've heard from Jamfest really does have one hell of a rig.
 
Yeah mine were Alesis monitor 1s...I wish Id been steered away from those...lol...the ones I have now costed me less and are in on every pro desk in the buisness.
I saw a pair of those EV MS802s on the craigslist for $100...I might look into them

Good price. They were around $800/pair new. Nice even response, clean bottom end, but they really are mid-field.
 
And I see a man that has invested very badly...seeing as how I have just as much or more gear and all mine was bought by money made by the gear itself...if you applied yourself you could make a buisness out of it and make some money...Ive heard you and you are pretty good...why cant you make a nickel off of any of it.
I have some advice for you now...shit or get off the pot...you just might like owning a pro studio.

well I applaud you darrin...you've managed to stop being a condescending prick













massive fail
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Ok, I've been trying to stay mostly out of this one, but I gotta draw a line somewhere.

That's a load of crap. Saying "if you only have $150, you should spend it on a pro studio rather than trying to record yourself" only makes ANY sense if you assume that the OP is only concerned about the final project and isn't at ALL interested in getting into recording as a hobby, or as a means for documenting the songs he's written to pass out to (or look for) bandmates, or any of a hundred other reasons why one might want to learn how to record themselves.

Yes, getting "pro" results costs a fair amount of money. No one's disagreeing. But you can make "decent" recordings for surprisingly cheap these days, and you can make tolerable recordings for next to nothing. I don't have 18 years under my belt, but I'm porobably pushing half that, and when I started my budget was about, oh, nothing - I recorded for the first year or so (and got results that were hardly pro but were surprisingly good considering what I was working with) with one of those little whammy-bar looking computer mics straight into my soundcard, because I didn't have anything else, and eventually "upgraded' to a $30 radio shack SM58 knockoff with an XLR-1/4" cable running into a 1/4" to 1/8" adaptor straight into that same soundcard, a few years later augmented occasionally by a Johnson J-Station. Sure, no one would confuse what I was doing for a "pro" recording, but it also sure as hell didn't sound like a $40 setup or, after the J-Station, a $200 setup (toss $60 in there if you want to record a copy of Sonic Foundry Acid 2.0).

And you know what? I had a blast. I learned a ton, and now that I've moved on to marginally better things, I REALLY appreciate the better gear I now get to work with, but I'm also just as appreciative of all that time I spent "polishing a turd" because I learned a hell of a lot about polishing, which still serves me well today.

So, if the OP wants to record and needs to do it on the cheap, then it absolutely makes sense to look at cheap gear. Telling him "don't bother, hire a pro" completely misses the point. Maybe you don't enjoy recording and mixing, but I happen to have a lot of fun with this hobby, and the act is almost as much fun as the finished product for me.

Grow up.

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Don't be retarded. There are two ways in which buying something is a worthwhile economic transaction - one, if you expect to reap fiscal reward such that the present value of all future cash flows associated with said purchase discounted at an appropriate discount rate is greater than the purchase price, or two, if you reap non-fiscal enjoyment from the purchase such that you generate greater utility by making the purchase vs spending your money elsewhere. Whitestrat is pretty clearly off-the-charts happy in the second camp, and from the talk I've heard from Jamfest really does have one hell of a rig.



you know I learned how to ride a bike on an old suzuki 125...what an idiot I was..I should have saved and bought a ducati 999 it would have made me like Rossi instantly...lol
 
My first "real" guitar was a Yamaha Pacifica 112. It came with a Crate G-15R practice amp. I was maybe 15. My current rig (Ibanez Universe or Fender USA Strat, depending on mood or requirements, into a Mesa Roadster and Recto 2x12) absolutely shits all over it, but I loved the hell out of that guitar, and grew tremendously as a musician while playing it.
 
Ok, I've been trying to stay mostly out of this one, but I gotta draw a line somewhere.

That's a load of crap. Saying "if you only have $150, you should spend it on a pro studio rather than trying to record yourself" only makes ANY sense if you assume that the OP is only concerned about the final project and isn't at ALL interested in getting into recording as a hobby, or as a means for documenting the songs he's written to pass out to (or look for) bandmates, or any of a hundred other reasons why one might want to learn how to record themselves.

Yes, getting "pro" results costs a fair amount of money. No one's disagreeing. But you can make "decent" recordings for surprisingly cheap these days, and you can make tolerable recordings for next to nothing. I don't have 18 years under my belt, but I'm porobably pushing half that, and when I started my budget was about, oh, nothing - I recorded for the first year or so (and got results that were hardly pro but were surprisingly good considering what I was working with) with one of those little whammy-bar looking computer mics straight into my soundcard, because I didn't have anything else, and eventually "upgraded' to a $30 radio shack SM58 knockoff with an XLR-1/4" cable running into a 1/4" to 1/8" adaptor straight into that same soundcard, a few years later augmented occasionally by a Johnson J-Station. Sure, no one would confuse what I was doing for a "pro" recording, but it also sure as hell didn't sound like a $40 setup or, after the J-Station, a $200 setup (toss $60 in there if you want to record a copy of Sonic Foundry Acid 2.0).

And you know what? I had a blast. I learned a ton, and now that I've moved on to marginally better things, I REALLY appreciate the better gear I now get to work with, but I'm also just as appreciative of all that time I spent "polishing a turd" because I learned a hell of a lot about polishing, which still serves me well today.

So, if the OP wants to record and needs to do it on the cheap, then it absolutely makes sense to look at cheap gear. Telling him "don't bother, hire a pro" completely misses the point. Maybe you don't enjoy recording and mixing, but I happen to have a lot of fun with this hobby, and the act is almost as much fun as the finished product for me.

Grow up.

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Don't be retarded. There are two ways in which buying something is a worthwhile economic transaction - one, if you expect to reap fiscal reward such that the present value of all future cash flows associated with said purchase discounted at an appropriate discount rate is greater than the purchase price, or two, if you reap non-fiscal enjoyment from the purchase such that you generate greater utility by making the purchase vs spending your money elsewhere. Whitestrat is pretty clearly off-the-charts happy in the second camp, and from the talk I've heard from Jamfest really does have one hell of a rig.

If you dont have anything intellegent to say...please go back to holding your tounge.

and change the user name allready...its in horrible taste.
 
If you dont have anything intellegent to say...please go back to holding your tounge.

and change the user name allready...its in horrible taste.


what's a tounge?


do you have to be intelligent to spell intelligent?



epic fail of biblical proportions
 
My first "real" guitar was a Yamaha Pacifica 112. It came with a Crate G-15R practice amp. I was maybe 15. My current rig (Ibanez Universe or Fender USA Strat, depending on mood or requirements, into a Mesa Roadster and Recto 2x12) absolutely shits all over it, but I loved the hell out of that guitar, and grew tremendously as a musician while playing it.

We are not talking about Pacifica's here...lots of sessions are played with them suprisingly...they are very decent...the cheap gear in this question is more like the sears POS dad bought me when I was 10...now why choose to buy your guitar from sears.
 
If you dont have anything intellegent to say...please go back to holding your tounge.

and change the user name allready...its in horrible taste.

Um, fuck yourself. My name happens to actually be Drew Peterson, as you can see from my location and age I'm certainly not a 60-something cop from Chicago, and to quote (more or less) a move I'm rather fond of, "He's the one who killed all his wives, why should I change?"

Now, are you going to sit there safe behind your computer and simply insult me and my name, or are you going to actually address the point I raised, that there's a lot more to recording at home than the finished product and that most of us happen to enjoy this hobby?

EDIT - and I negative rep'd you for the name crack before I even saw that you'd left me negative reputation for, um, evidently simply disagreeing with you. Charming.:rolleyes:
 
We are not talking about Pacifica's here...lots of sessions are played with them suprisingly...they are very decent...the cheap gear in this question is more like the sears POS dad bought me when I was 10...now why choose to buy your guitar from sears.

You've obviously never played a 112. It's the entry level Pacifica, more or less on par with a Squier.
 
Um, fuck yourself. My name happens to actually be Drew Peterson, as you can see from my location and age I'm certainly not a 60-something cop from Chicago, and to quote (more or less) a move I'm rather fond of, "He's the one who killed all his wives, why should I change?"

Now, are you going to sit there safe behind your computer and simply insult me and my name, or are you going to actually address the point I raised, that there's a lot more to recording at home than the finished product and that most of us happen to enjoy this hobby?

haha that's classic Drew...cant believe he told you to change it...brilliant..I'm in tears hahahaha

You've obviously never played a 112. It's the entry level Pacifica, more or less on par with a Squier.

eh Squiers can be good...not to start another war ;) :)
 
We are not talking about Pacifica's here...lots of sessions are played with them suprisingly...they are very decent...the cheap gear in this question is more like the sears POS dad bought me when I was 10...now why choose to buy your guitar from sears.

I still have a Silvertone I bought from Sears...complete with the lipstick tube pickups. It's still an awesome jazz axe...so you can:

1. Admit you're wrong again.
2. STFU
3. All of the above.
 
eh Squiers can be good...not to start another war ;) :)

Aye, I've played a few real dogs, but in particular I remember one Squier Tele that I probably should have bought - the fretwork was actually pretty good and it just felt really solid. The pickups blew, but you'll have that. :D
 
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