Arguing with myself: effects pedals vs. mult-ieffect.

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Oh yeah......

If the Leslie emulators are so great how come you have three different ones???

:D

And nobody is dissing Tom Oberheim for re-releasing the SEM either. In fact they are waiting in line to get one.

Same goes for Dave Smith and the Prophet 08.
 
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Why do I have so much gear? I'm a gear whore. Plain and simple. I buy everything, try it, and keep whatever seems to works for those different courses. I have real vintage gear (but who cares?) that stays at home (whose going to pay to move my Leslie?), and those Tokai Les Pauls see the stage, if I was in a Les Paul mood that night. I have four pedal boards of all sizes, depending on the gig. I have enough pedals to fill four more boards, but that's not the point. The point is I try everything, and see if it suits me for one of three bands I bounce back and forth between. Some 25-year-old Stevie Ray Vannabe who plays with one band and just one style of music ain't going to care about a Klon. Now the older blues guy who is serious about his tone (yet still one band/one music) might. Or he may have a Victoria amp and not need any pedal. That's age and experience with gear. The kid wants to be Stevie Ray, and some shredder should tell him what the 'best' overdrive is? Or what if I wanted to be Mick Thomson? Do I care what Stevie Ray used? Do I care about a black label MIJ SD-1 on eBay? Or would I go more for.... oh, shit, that's a bad example. He uses Boss stuff. Hang on..... think, man, think.....say I wanted to be Terrance Hobbs. I couldn't care less about vintage Les Pauls or Strats. Yngwie used a Strat into a Marshall because he wanted to be Richie Blackmore.
Kids play Ibanez because they want to be like their guitar hero, not because they can't afford a Strat. Do you honestly believe that? Give your head a shake. A MIM Strat can be had for what, $399? $499? Now I can't afford that, so I buy a $2,500 JEM Signature. :confused: If I'm a shredder, I prefer the flatter radius, Floyd Rose, and I want to be Joe or Steve. That's all I was saying. Older people haven't bought new gear 'lately', and hang onto that blast from the past. They can't give advice to the kids who don't have a care for the tone Eric got on the Beano album. That's what I was saying. To ridicule digital is just wrong. It's getting better all the time, and in some cases sound as good as what they're emulating.
I don't know keyboards at all, other than what keyboard player I play with use, or when I hear them gush about the good old days, so I just pulled model numbers from my butt. Not smart, but that hasn't stopped me from putting my foot in my mouth before.
I played with a singer who bought one of 'those' PA's, with A7's back in the 80's. Not a wise investment. I regret buying mixers today. I never buy PA stuff. It'll go down, become obsolete, and not hold its value. Hmmmmm, maybe that's what you mean with the ME-50. :o But it's small, takes up so little room on stage, and actually has usable sounds. I don't have one, but I'd never ridicule someone for wanting one. Use it if it works for your music and playing situation. I'd never record one, but if you want to, go ahead.
I also blame my OCD (not the pedal; the disorder) for collecting computers. Actually, it was to teach myself about them, and give experimental castoffs to my kids. I go back with them, and I still haven't found the 'best' for recording. I only moved from analog tape (try finding it these days) to digital recording in the last few years, and through seven desktops and five laptops still in my house I don't have one that isn't glitchy when I go bananas with track counts and plug ins. So I figured keeping it simple meant less crashes, and so far (knock wood) it's true. That means recording effects live, and no software. I ain't smart enough to figure it out, and until I do, it's software-lite for me. That's all. Not because it isn't good (I wish I could use some of it), but I'm too dumb to make it work. But I won't give up, and be sure I'll put the pedals away when I make ReValver work. I know others have, so it's just me. And I would never say to anyone else not to use ReValver because I couldn't make it work. I've heard it work great with other people, so again; it's me.
How the Hell did I get to this point? Skip it. You meant what I know.
 
Well, the op isn't a kid, and he was asking for alternatives to the Roland ME-50.

I got jumped by stevieb for being too vague, and jumped by you for advocating higher-end analog over digital.

I guess sometimes you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
 
lol ...... I refined my pedalboard by buying a Mesa Mark V and, as I've used it more, ..... I've gotten to where I don't even take my pedalboard most of the time.
I don't need any of the distortions since I can get close to what i want with just the V.
Cool. I don't need my distortions, either, when I'm using the Egnater M4. I can dial in anything from painfully clean to fully gained-out, with 6 flavors in between the two. I do still use my pedalboard for the wah and the two Eventide boxes.
 
I got jumped by stevieb for being too vague...

Yeah, but I APOLOGIZED!:)

The kids play an Ibanez because they can't afford a Strat....

Or maybe because they think EVH is cool? (Which he is, or at least, was- until he kept getting strung out and Valarie dumped his sorry ass- which he deserved.)
 
The kids play an Ibanez because they can't afford a Strat.

Hmm...I realise there more than this to the point you're making, and I agree with your overall point to some extent, but I bought an Ibanez about 10 years after I bought my strat. I love my strat more than any other guitar I own, but they all have their own applications. A friend of mine has pretty much the same guitars, and he prefers his Ibanez. Different people just want different things in a guitar. You're not going to get a fretwizard II neck and a floyd as standard on a strat. You're not going going to get a guitar that sounds and plays like a strat with an ibanez.
 
I think the day's coming, and not TOO far away, when the guitars that have always been revered will no longer be the top dogs.
Loving a guitar has an awful lot to do with what your musical heroes used and as more big names go to using stuff other than LP's and Strats ..... so will the wish-lists of young players.
As they eventually become old enough to be collectors you'll see Satch gits and such start bringing in top dollar.
Just an opinion but I think you already see a little of that in the collectors market and you'll see more of it as we geezers die off.

I mean, why do we love a Les Paul? It's certainly not because it's a great guitar. Ergonomically it's crap. Difficult to get up high on the neck ...... heavy ........ lacks a lot of modern features considered neccessary by many young players.
I guess it's cool if you love playing rhythm because it does have that chunky sound but for a lot of guitar solo'ing stuff it's kinda a pain.
But our heroes played them and we're influenced by that. Same thing with a Strat although I think a strats a better more ergonomic design than an LP in a lot of ways.
I have both BTW but I pretty much only play my modern Stinnett Custom.

The current high value of old LP's and Starts is driven primarily by the geezerhood.

And yes, I'm a geezer but I really try not to be enslaved by geezer thinking.
 
I mostly agree, Lt. Bob. I think that as long as LPs and Strats are the baselines that other manufacturers use as their starting points for improved design, the LPs and Strats will continue to be thought of as the "fundamental" guitars and will hold their value.

Having said that, I think that other companies are staking their claims, too. PRS is making a strong case for having found a formula of their own, with an in-between scale length and slightly different pickup placement giving their guitars a unique sound. And Ibanez, as you mentioned, has their own thing going and their high-end Satch models are good guitars. Reverend is doing some interesting body designs, as is Godin and so many others.
 
SolidState-Valve, Digital-Analog, Hardware-Software.

I think the arguments about what is better will go on forever. I prefer the mix and match attitude.

As for effects; my Reverb is digital [Tc Electronics Nova], my Compressor is Analog. [Joe Meek- FloorQ].

I like both very much.

I also have a Filter that I designed and built myself that is Analog but uses IC's. [for those a part of the IC vs Discrete argument] :)
 
Wow,crazy thread.
My two cents....
If you are playing a lot of covers and need a lot of different tones,get the multi effect,just hit a preset and go.Is the sound quality as good as individual boutique pedals?No,but after you go through the PA or play in a less than perfect room with lots of noise is anyone besides another musician really going to notice anyways?
If you're staying on a narrower more defined path musically get a box or two.At the end of the day it's what works for you,try both.Arguing about tone is like arguing about where to get the best pizza.
My personal preference is just plugging the guitar into the amp,I'm a recovering effects abuser,now when I hear people making spaceship sounds with their guitar I kind of cringe.
 
stevieb ruins another potentially informative thread. :rolleyes:

I wasn't gonna say this again, but good GOD, man, it's been a WEEK since I last posted to this thread, and you are STILL ragging on about it? You've got ISSUES. Get a freakin' LIFE.
 
Sorry. I just read it today. And lo and behold, you fucked it all up. I'm sure there's like 3 years of you fucking shit up, but I just stumbled on this one today. Sue me, loser.

Besides, why are you here now, if it's been a week? Stop following me, you freaking troll.
 
Obviously, among your legion of issues is a delusional belief that others are following you. In it's extreme, that is called delusional paranoia.

Get some help. I am fortunate enough to not live near you, so I am not impacted by your neurosis. Your family may not be so lucky. If you won't do it for yourself, do it for them.
 
Call it whatever you want; the simple fact remains that you are a pussyhurt troll and can't resist responding to me.
 
Looks like this thread is hurt real bad if not entirely dead, but in case the OP is still looking...

I'll recommend a used GSP2101. They can still be had on Ebay from time to time for not too much $$$. I've had mine for a long time and have always been pleased with its sounds. If you want you can program in a whole gigs worth of tones and step through them one by one. I never carried it that far. I have a "bank" of 10 basic tones set up that I draw from as needed. Something special can always be programmed if needed. Beware one drawback. There's a teeny switching time between sounds, especially with the original versions. If you consider this look for an "Artiste" model.

J

Jeff
 
I thought the yellow smiley face meant I drink my own pee. :)

see... its good! I'm smiling!

back to the OP I really like one of my multipedals that does everything as well as all my old stomp boxes, but I don't use it live that would be horrible. Old stompers are so much easier to handle when I'm also thinking about singing, playing, moving around. I think live, in the kind of places I have played, the difference between stomp boxes or digital multi effects is less noticable than the sound of whats going on in the room. Bars dont care if its a OD-1 or a Metal Zone tey just know it sounds distorted or not.

For recording I use my multi effect, but I wouldn't ever want to be stuck trying to wrestle with it live.
 
My 2 cents, A decend pedal board with singular effect pedals will be much more expensive than an average good quality multi effects one
 
try the line 6 m13 stompbox modeller. The distortions and overdrives leave a little to be desired, and some of the synth sounds are more fun than useful, but the delays, reverbs, and mod effects sound great! One of these routed to 2 amps in stereo makes for a mindblowing experience!
 
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