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tonesponge
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+9000 on the Decimator
Mr. C
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Thanks for all the opinions; after all there is no right answer to a lot of these types of questions. Since I've been debating so long with myself most likely I will keep the ME-50 and buy individual pedals here or there. I'm 49yrs old and just an average guitarist so I'm not on the road to stardom anytime soon (although I do still dream of it!).
Ranjam, if I did get out to play at the bars I would be in big trouble with my wife if I was trying to impress the waitress with "my" Klon or anything else for that matter.
Anyways I really like to hear everyone's opinions. It's great to see what others think and to consider what would be right for oneself.
Ranjam, if I did get out to play at the bars I would be in big trouble with my wife if I was trying to impress the waitress with "my" Klon or anything else for that matter.
Anyways I really like to hear everyone's opinions. It's great to see what others think and to consider what would be right for oneself.
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stevieb
Just another guy, really.
My, my, MY. Who REALLY needs to get over his bad self?
No one offers an apology until after they see they were out of line. A good friend can show someone they are out of line, in a way the person can listen to- that's what Bob did (and thank you, Lt. Bob.)
No skin off my nose if you reject my apology. At this point, I really don't give a dead rat's ass WHAT you do, but I do hope you have a nice day!
(Does anybody remember when the yellow smiley face, and the phrase "Have a nice day!" were 100% associated with each other?)
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stevieb
Just another guy, really.
Oh, man, got ahead of myself and double posted. Oops.
Zaphod B
Raccoons-Be-Gone, Inc.
Now you're more likely to see it used thus:
Fuck off!
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tonesponge
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As far as preferring analog pedals over digital, for me, it's mostly to do with noise. Every cheap digital pedal I've ever purchased has hissed like a snake. So I can get a quality $150-$200 analog pedal, or I can get a $300-$500 digital pedal with quality converters. The only way to make that cost effective is to get a multi fx pedal, and again, that means compromises and over reliance on one piece of gear.
Armistice
Son of Yoda
I too, have not found a use for a ring modulator....
Zaphod B
Raccoons-Be-Gone, Inc.
I like to set mine to "totally blown amp sound" and enjoy the looks on my bandmates' faces.....
Mr. C
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I probably shouldn't say anything here, but since I did start this thread I feel I at least have the right to comment. Many years ago I started coming to this forum because of all the immature crap I kept reading on HC. I always felt everyone one here was much more mature and civilized but have noticed that this same behavior is showing up here more often than not. It really became annoying while trying to read what people posted in reply to me to keep reading the feud between C7sus and stevieb. I did think stevieb was a bit harsh, but do understand his point about C7sus' original post which I just shrugged my shoulders and said okay, short and to the point. But this was no reason for an all out feud ruining my thread and overall this forum which I feel is much better than this. Finally, where are the moderators? If you want to continue to attract people to this forum then I suggest cutting off such feuds in the future. It's a black eye to this forum. Finally a sincere thank you to all who did post replies: Gonzo-X, ranjam, Villan S Deeds, ocnor, tonesponge, Lt. Bob (thanks for trying to mediate), legionserial, Zaphod B, and yes even C7sus and stevieb.
c7sus
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Ruining your thread??? Seriously???
I could give you 100 verses of ragtime about why analog sounds better than digital IMHO, but why bother???
Bottom line is this:
There ain't no shortcuts. Getting good electric guitar tone, especially chaining FX, takes time and effort and trial-and-error.
Everybody has a different sound in their mind. Everybody has a different application they want to make work.
And it's not just the pedals, it's the entire signal chain. Be it guitar or mics or keys or whatever.
Shit, you don't even bother to mention if you are using humbuckers or single-coils or what kind of axe you're using at all.
ANYWHERE IN THE ENTIRE GODDAMNED THREAD!
But then you expect some detailed suggestions about what might sound better than your current rig.
Well, hell ya, just about anything is gonna sound better than a $300 digital multi-fx. I bet the converters in that thing cost less than $5US.
Get a Fulltone TTE, a Keeley 4-knob compressor, and any of the Teese wah pedals. I like the RMC-3 myself.
You can start another thread later to thank me for stopping by this thread.
I could give you 100 verses of ragtime about why analog sounds better than digital IMHO, but why bother???
Bottom line is this:
There ain't no shortcuts. Getting good electric guitar tone, especially chaining FX, takes time and effort and trial-and-error.
Everybody has a different sound in their mind. Everybody has a different application they want to make work.
And it's not just the pedals, it's the entire signal chain. Be it guitar or mics or keys or whatever.
Shit, you don't even bother to mention if you are using humbuckers or single-coils or what kind of axe you're using at all.
ANYWHERE IN THE ENTIRE GODDAMNED THREAD!
But then you expect some detailed suggestions about what might sound better than your current rig.
Well, hell ya, just about anything is gonna sound better than a $300 digital multi-fx. I bet the converters in that thing cost less than $5US.
Get a Fulltone TTE, a Keeley 4-knob compressor, and any of the Teese wah pedals. I like the RMC-3 myself.
You can start another thread later to thank me for stopping by this thread.
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TelePaul
J to the R O C
I would be inclined to say individual, best-of-breed vs multi-processor, especially if you had asked me last week. I like the fact that if one pedal goes down, I'm down about a hundred bills, not 600 if the newest Boss floor-processor were to bite the dust. And lets be honest, pedals do break. I also like the fact that if I'm not happy with a distortion pedal, I'll sell it on and replace it with something different. I've been reluctant to 'refine' my pedal collection, but yesterday I plugged in to my 20+ board and realised my guitar sounded like ass. I think I to split things into smaller boards or tone-specific boards.
...I'm still buying a new wah next week though Recommendations?
...I'm still buying a new wah next week though
Recommendations?
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
lol ...... I refined my pedalboard by buying a Mesa Mark V and, as I've used it more, ..... I've gotten to where I don't even take my pedalboard most of the time.
I don't need any of the distortions since I can get close to what i want with just the V. And it has a good enough FX loop that I can just toss a rackmount multi up there for mod fx's which work well thru a good loop.
For a really important gig I'd probably drag the board out but man, It's nice to not have to deal with that.
ranjam
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Here's a statement that'll get me pissed on, and for some reason I'm OK with that. 
It depends on your skill level and how long you've doing 'this'.
If you stop to think about it, anyone in their 30's or 40's (or 50's) probably hasn't bought anything 'new' in at least ten or fifteen years. They'll never admit that any digital pedal sounds as good as the analog pedal they bought new in 1990. Really, if you're in this age category; when was the last time you bought a 'new' guitar? Not a reissue of a Strat or a Les Paul, but a 'new' guitar? What about your amplifier? Still lugging that 1969 Super Reverb around? Then I believe (in other words; in my opinion) you have no place telling anyone the 'best' amplifier to record is 'X', or the best overdrive is 'Y'. The really good players can make anything sound good, and the mediocre players spend more time gushing about their vintage or boutique gear than they do practicing.
Now if you're in your early 20's, you have no experience with dropping LSD and cranking a Blue Cheer vinyl record on a turntable. There's no misguided romanticism about analog anything, and digital will work for you. And you like it. And you make music with it. Which was always the point, and not hanging onto your 'youth'.
Flame suit...................................on! Bring it.
It depends on your skill level and how long you've doing 'this'.
If you stop to think about it, anyone in their 30's or 40's (or 50's) probably hasn't bought anything 'new' in at least ten or fifteen years. They'll never admit that any digital pedal sounds as good as the analog pedal they bought new in 1990. Really, if you're in this age category; when was the last time you bought a 'new' guitar? Not a reissue of a Strat or a Les Paul, but a 'new' guitar? What about your amplifier? Still lugging that 1969 Super Reverb around? Then I believe (in other words; in my opinion) you have no place telling anyone the 'best' amplifier to record is 'X', or the best overdrive is 'Y'. The really good players can make anything sound good, and the mediocre players spend more time gushing about their vintage or boutique gear than they do practicing.
Now if you're in your early 20's, you have no experience with dropping LSD and cranking a Blue Cheer vinyl record on a turntable. There's no misguided romanticism about analog anything, and digital will work for you. And you like it. And you make music with it. Which was always the point, and not hanging onto your 'youth'.
Flame suit...................................on! Bring it.
c7sus
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Does a 2006 CS-356 count as a "new" guitar???
I've probably dropped $20,000 into instruments, hardware, and software in the last 10 years.
I have both a Moog Voyager and a Taurus 3, and all other keys are soft synths. The Moog stuff does what it does like nothing else, and the Voyager is probably the best implementation of both analog and digital technologies offered up by anyone in the music biz. I can tell you my Moogs never fart out a series of notes like Dimension Pro does. Same with EZ Drummer.
And WTF is "new" anyways??? The most hyped software plugs are all digital emulations of the great analog equipment of the past. The Line 6 guitars and amps are all striving to give you a selection of emulated analog FX/cabs/and amps. The UAD cards all feature the great rack gear of the 60's and 70's. What exactly is the "new" digital sound that can only be done with 1's and 0's???? MIDI guitar??? Please. WTF is using that??? A handful of guys.
Same with the digital multiFX pedals. Exactly what are they doing besides jamming all those analog emulations into one box???
Ever heard a decent digital or analog stompbox Leslie??? Me either. That's why I bought a Leslie. That technology has had staying power because nothing else can do what the mechanical action of spinning rotors does to your sound.
I saw Chris Martin IV at a clinic once and he was talking about being at NAMM in the 80's when all the synth manufacturers had huge banners proclaiming "Polyphony has arrived". His take on that was that CF Martin had been doing that for well over 100 years.
I've probably dropped $20,000 into instruments, hardware, and software in the last 10 years.
I have both a Moog Voyager and a Taurus 3, and all other keys are soft synths. The Moog stuff does what it does like nothing else, and the Voyager is probably the best implementation of both analog and digital technologies offered up by anyone in the music biz. I can tell you my Moogs never fart out a series of notes like Dimension Pro does. Same with EZ Drummer.
And WTF is "new" anyways??? The most hyped software plugs are all digital emulations of the great analog equipment of the past. The Line 6 guitars and amps are all striving to give you a selection of emulated analog FX/cabs/and amps. The UAD cards all feature the great rack gear of the 60's and 70's. What exactly is the "new" digital sound that can only be done with 1's and 0's???? MIDI guitar??? Please. WTF is using that??? A handful of guys.
Same with the digital multiFX pedals. Exactly what are they doing besides jamming all those analog emulations into one box???
Ever heard a decent digital or analog stompbox Leslie??? Me either. That's why I bought a Leslie. That technology has had staying power because nothing else can do what the mechanical action of spinning rotors does to your sound.
I saw Chris Martin IV at a clinic once and he was talking about being at NAMM in the 80's when all the synth manufacturers had huge banners proclaiming "Polyphony has arrived". His take on that was that CF Martin had been doing that for well over 100 years.
c7sus
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Sirnothingness
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I could stick my head up the bulls ass....no, you could stick your head up the butchers as.....no fuck it.
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moresound
Loud Sun Studios
That's a lot of head sticking!
ranjam
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No, it's a fancier 335. I believe 335's have been around as long as some of us here.
'Reissues' of 70's designs, for those regretting selling their Minimoogs thirty years ago. The Taurus III is a 'new' Taurus I. That smell of analog brings memories. Or is it flashbacks? Even if you said you had a Roland JD-800 I'd be more impressed.
By 'new' I mean a new design not based on Fender/Gibson/fill-in-the-blank depending on what instrument you play. I hated the Steinberger 'headless' guitar, but to each his own. Will a Parker be 'vintage' in twenty years? Will anyone care? The point was that all the 'copies' appeal to the players in their 40's (or whatever) that miss those golden years. The 'kids' today don't care; they want to make music. They'll use an Ibanez guitar, and not have forums discussing when they switched headstock decals or arguing if the PAF Pro versions or Evolution versions sound 'better'. No, they make music, and get laid doing it. They aren't as snotty about analog/digital pedals either. I always 'see' the older guys who brag that their Klon sounds better than fill-in-the-blank just because. From all my Tupperware tubs of pedals, the overdrive I use the most for one-off gigs? A simple Bad Monkey. The 'good shit' gets preserved for recording, or for my kids to sell when I'm dead.
Software I have no firm foundation to debate, so it is what it is. I ain't a software guy, buy from what I listen to here and there, it's definitely getting better all the time. Soon you won't be able to tell. But I have other reasons to not use software or plug ins.
Sure. The best one right now is a Ventilator. And it's digital. They absolutely rock. Option 5 make excellent pedals as well. Not as good as a Ventilator, but at 1/3rd the price. The RT-20 is a distant 3rd place finisher. Still cheaper than a real Leslie. I have all four, and to haul out a real Leslie to record one track here and there is nuts. To haul it out to play the half-time show at the local football game is also nuts. The pedal wins for me every time. No one comes up to me later and says 'That was good, but a real Leslie would have been better!' Plus I don't have to pay some thugs to move it for me. I ain't moving no Leslie at my age and that's that.
I love analog as much as you, but the reality is that sometimes digital works more than good enough for the application. I get to save the good shit for recording, and no one hears me live and says 'Dude, I know where you can get a 147 for $900, so toss that digital pedal'. So my attitude is simple. Use what works for the application. Listen with your ears, and not your eyes. Forget what you had back in the 80's or 90's. They're gone. Are you bragging about your 486 computer? You won't be caught dead with a rotary phone (remember those analog beauties?), or the latest B-Berry, or the latest quad-core Pentium processor. But stick a digital pedal in front of you and it's like you just saw your grandmother naked. Use what works. And it depends on your music, which unfortunately is also related to your age and musical experiences. No dissing, just how I see it.
Whatever. No one has to agree with me. I won't cry, honest. You can continue to live in your ivory tower, and rule the rest of us with your music. Assuming you have music. If not, just show 'em your analog gear, and you'll be real popular with the ladies.
c7sus
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The kids play an Ibanez because they can't afford a Strat.
Everybody the world over wants a Strat or an LP.
The real point is who is gonna want a Line 6 Variax in 30 years. What digital stuff has increased in value over the last decade??? Besides the original Apple I???
The Voyager isn't a re-issue of anything. It's the refinement of 50 years of analog design. For starters, the "D" only had a single modulation buss, and there was no option to use one parameter to modulate another parameter. The Voyager allows you to select from 6 different sources and assign them to 6 different destinations in hardware, and via software you can assign ANY source to ANY destination--- and there are TWO mod busses. The architecture is different, it's built as a semi-modular, and lot's of Model D owners out there will tell you they are different instruments, each with their own distinct character. I think even Keven Lightner would agree with that statement, and I know Mike Adams and Cyril Lance would.
So tell me who is doing something "new" with guitars, or keys, or anything else???? Moog is actually doing some cool stuff with the Paul Vo sustain circuit. They just introduced a far-out lapsteel using that technology. Again, all analog.
http://www.moogmusic.com/moogguitar/?section=product&product_id=21407
Roland JD-800. Really??? $5 says there are more 808's still being played and recorded these days than all the JD-800's combined. Does anybody really long for that 1991 digital sound???
You say you don't use soft stuff, then how can you say it's better than analog???
So what are your other reasons for not using soft FX???
No one comes to you later about the Leslie because very few folks have ever been in the same room with one. I'd be surprised if one non-player out of 100,000 could even name the effect as a Leslie or a Leslie emulator.
Horses for courses. If I was gigging I might opt for a Moog Phaser for those Leslie sounds. But playing for my own enjoyment I would rather hear the real thing.
And why is everybody always picking on the KLON??? It's a great little device, built by a guy that is pretty damned dedicated to what he does. He only does one thing---- produce about 500 of those a year by hand. He must be chained to a desk to match all those components to spec to insure that every single KLON sounds like every other KLON. That is no easy feat by any means.
You wanna pick on a boutique builder how about Lovepedal. I've heard some of those designs are a single resistor.
"nobody is bragging about their 486 computer."
Just like nobody is gonna be bragging about their ME-50 in 10 years either. Make that 2 years.
Thanks for exactly making my point about digital vs analog.
Everybody the world over wants a Strat or an LP.
The real point is who is gonna want a Line 6 Variax in 30 years. What digital stuff has increased in value over the last decade??? Besides the original Apple I???
The Voyager isn't a re-issue of anything. It's the refinement of 50 years of analog design. For starters, the "D" only had a single modulation buss, and there was no option to use one parameter to modulate another parameter. The Voyager allows you to select from 6 different sources and assign them to 6 different destinations in hardware, and via software you can assign ANY source to ANY destination--- and there are TWO mod busses. The architecture is different, it's built as a semi-modular, and lot's of Model D owners out there will tell you they are different instruments, each with their own distinct character. I think even Keven Lightner would agree with that statement, and I know Mike Adams and Cyril Lance would.
So tell me who is doing something "new" with guitars, or keys, or anything else???? Moog is actually doing some cool stuff with the Paul Vo sustain circuit. They just introduced a far-out lapsteel using that technology. Again, all analog.
http://www.moogmusic.com/moogguitar/?section=product&product_id=21407
Roland JD-800. Really??? $5 says there are more 808's still being played and recorded these days than all the JD-800's combined. Does anybody really long for that 1991 digital sound???
You say you don't use soft stuff, then how can you say it's better than analog???
So what are your other reasons for not using soft FX???
No one comes to you later about the Leslie because very few folks have ever been in the same room with one. I'd be surprised if one non-player out of 100,000 could even name the effect as a Leslie or a Leslie emulator.
Horses for courses. If I was gigging I might opt for a Moog Phaser for those Leslie sounds. But playing for my own enjoyment I would rather hear the real thing.
And why is everybody always picking on the KLON??? It's a great little device, built by a guy that is pretty damned dedicated to what he does. He only does one thing---- produce about 500 of those a year by hand. He must be chained to a desk to match all those components to spec to insure that every single KLON sounds like every other KLON. That is no easy feat by any means.
You wanna pick on a boutique builder how about Lovepedal. I've heard some of those designs are a single resistor.
"nobody is bragging about their 486 computer."
Just like nobody is gonna be bragging about their ME-50 in 10 years either. Make that 2 years.
Thanks for exactly making my point about digital vs analog.
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Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
^^^^^^^ this ^^^^^^^^
ranjam ..... despite you getting irritated at me in that other thread , your post above what really the same thing as I was saying.
Nowadays there's LOTS of ways to get good sounds. Sure, I have friends my age that still can only think in terms of vintage gear. Most of them in fact but not all of us geezers fail to keep up. I have tube amps and I have digital rigs ..... I use them all and get good results out of all of them.
The biggest thing holding back most modern gear is the guy using it.
Almost everything nowadays is better than what was available when I started out.
PA's back then were crap unless you hauled absolutely huge shit like A-7's.
And bass rigs weren't much until the Acoustic 360 came out and then there was a big jump in bass rigs.
I suppose can be argued that many of the most desirable vintage amps come from that period, but I don't think they beat out modern amps really.
Just different flavors. I have both and like both ......