are there any headphones that act like monitors?

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i can't really be making that kind of noise in my place, but i know that most headphones (if not all) will not give you an accurate reflection of what your music really sounds like. but are there any that do (or come close?)?
 
What your music will sound like depends upon what kind of system it is played back on. Phones are no worse than a bad set of monitors to mix with.
 
Nope....none.

Even cheap monitors will give you a mix that will translate better than a headphone mix. you need to get the sound moving in air to hear what other folks will be experiencing.
 
Derek Verner said:
Phones are no worse than a bad set of monitors to mix with.
Completely wrong......

Reading time -- (link to article replaced to satisfy those who want me to retype exactly what I would have answered anyways...)

Here's what headphones ARE useful for - critical listening for noises or other sonic aberrations on individual tracks or mixes, and monitoring during tracking where the use of monitors would cause unwanted bleed. That's pretty much it.

"Hey! You left out mixing....!!"
Funny how that worked out! The truth is, headphones ARE NOT good mixing tools -- as a matter of fact, headphones don't make good tools at all for ANY sonic decisions.

"What are you talking about? Headphones take the room out of the equation, so it should make my mixes sound more consistent."
Well... audio engineering is full of techniques that at first appear to be common sense, and yet turn out to be the completely-wrong approach. While it's true that headphones DO take the room out of the equation, they also put your ears into two individual and very small, separate rooms all their own! Which leads to two issues...

1) Proximity and isolation - in using headphones, both your sense of stereo imaging and frequency response change... imaging is exaggerated due to the isolation of one ear from the other, and frequency response gets skewed in the bass and mid-range areas due to the proximity of the drivers to the ear. So you can't be sure of the relative levels of frequencies in that area of the spectrum.

Don't believe me? Try a simple test... Slap a pair of headphones on a decent-sounding synth/keyboard and find a patch you think sounds good through the phones. Now take the phones off and play that exact patch back through using monitors. 95% of the time you will hear a huge difference and the choice you made using headphones won't sound quite right played back on monitors, although it may have sounded excellent on the phones. Now imagine the same thing except with something as complex-sounding as a mix! As a matter of fact, try it - mix something using ONLY headphones, and then mix it again with monitors. The headphone mix will almost always be WAY off in terms of sonic balance.

2) Same headphones, different people - not only is response and imaging skewed using headphones, but to make matters worse, each person hears differently from every other person when listening on cans. The reason for this is that the response of each person's cilia (the parts of the ear responsible for detecting different frequency vibrations) is unique to each individual. This is critical because it means that the same song, through the same phones, will sound different to each person that listens to it! And you thought translating mixes using monitors is tough!!! With headphones it's almost impossible because a well-balanced sound is a moving target from person to person!


The bottom line is... headphones are tools. Like any tool, there's a fairly well-defined set of tasks they are appropriate for. You can use a screwdriver to hammer a nail, but it won't be very effective. Headphones have equally well-defined uses, but none include their use as a mechanism upon which to base any sort of sonic decision... and that definitely includes mixing!

So save your pennies... get a second job... borrow yet again from your family... but DEFINITELY get a pair of studio monitors to work with. Your mixes will thank you.
 
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There is a set of Japanese Headphone that require their own PSU that are so good that even Mastering Engineers have said they are better than most low to mid priced Mastering Monitors. Its to bad the Price is hoving around $6200 a pair with PSU.

The Stax Omega. Bob Katz said they could possibly be the best headphones in the world.

http://www.stax.co.jp/ENG/SR007-E.html


SoMm
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
Completely wrong......


Reading time -- Article

I find it a little self serving to provide a link to one's own article in support of an opinion. In my basement studio with stone walls all around, I get a better mix with phones than I do through monitor speakers.
 
Derek Verner said:
I find it a little self serving to provide a link to one's own article in support of an opinion.
What a load of shit... I wrote that article, they're my words... you'd feel better if I re-typed it from scratch, specifically for this forum? :rolleyes:

I've got over 7500 posts... I hardly need to "push" my website in this forum, you jerk....

And if you're getting better results with headphones than monitors in your room, then your room has some serious sonic problems...............


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Derek,
At the risk of having my ass ripped by you, I suggest you
visit and browse:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/bvaleria/home.htm

The man just happens to know what he speaks of.
BTW, bears are not normally known for gentleness.
But when they speak, you either listen or you run
like hell.
 
I was not chiding you for promoting your website. I was just pointing out that linking to an article YOU wrote is not much support for your own opinion. Yes-- my basement studio is an acoustic nightmare and I get a better mix on phones. This does not make me a jerk- just someone with different experience.
 
Derek Verner said:
Yes-- my basement studio is an acoustic nightmare and I get a better mix on phones. This does not make me a jerk- just someone with different experience.
You're also a bit thick -- I called you a jerk for thinking I was self-promoting or self-grandizing - not because of your recording environment.... duh! :rolleyes:


Derek Verner said:
I was not chiding you for promoting your website. I was just pointing out that linking to an article YOU wrote is not much support for your own opinion.
Again -- duh! This whole site is ALL opinion...... it's your job to sort through the opinions and take what you want from it......


Some people's opinions tend toward facts, and other's are completely off-the-wall -- you're the one that gets to decide which is which, just like I do.... BUT - be aware that spewing misinformation will get clobbered pretty fast, so you'd better be prepared to back up your words.....
 
Not everyone who comes here records rock bands. I make sound tracks for interactive exhibits with narration, music, sound effects and a control track for animation. Only the narration is recorded live, the music has already been mixed by pros and I am only concerned with its level and placement. In addition I know exactly what equipment and acoustic environment will be used for playback.
 
And even if headphones work in your SPECIFIC application, then you shouldn't be generalizing that to make it sound as if it would apply to others' more general situations.........

Like I said - misinformation gets jumped on..............
 
As long as we are giving advice, let me point out that a good teacher does not call potential students "a bit thick" or "jerks".
 
Derek Verner said:
As long as we are giving advice, let me point out that a good teacher does not call potential students "a bit thick" or "jerks".
...unless they're being unreasonably rude, argumentative, or obtuse!
 
Hmmm... so you consider anyone who disagrees with you to be "flaming you"? Interesting perspective........ :rolleyes:


I suggest YOU re-read the top of this thread...... flames didn't start until you decided to bitch about the link to my article.
 
Apparently you misunderstood my original complaint about your link. When trying to support a position, one often cites others who agree with that opinion, It helps if the one you cite is an expert. It seems that you could find no better expert to cite than yourself.
 
Heh, since I started coming to this board, I've seen Blue Bear answer this question at least 3 times. I would get monitors and set a time where everyone is cool with your noise.
 
Derek Verner said:
Apparently you misunderstood my original complaint about your link. When trying to support a position, one often cites others who agree with that opinion, It helps if the one you cite is an expert. It seems that you could find no better expert to cite than yourself.
I wasn't "supporting my position", I was stating my position outright...... I post the link to avoid retyping since this is a question that comes up often, as FM pointed out.......

That should have been fairly obvious... but you seem to be a bit sleepy today... :rolleyes:
 
Sorry for not understanding who is top dog on this site. Over on the Tascambbs, when one challenges the mavens, one gets a civil answer. This does not apply to Ghost and Reel who needed some time to come around. Larry Robinson is the man on the Tascambbs and when you challange him, he either convinces you that you were wrong or changes his position. He does this without a single pejorative.
 
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