Anyone here able to sequence a Roland XV-2020 to a Yamaha QY-100?

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I've read all the MIDI pages for the last 5 years. No results in solving my problem yet. Here's another way to explain the problem;

I was sold the QY-100 because I needed a "stand-alone" sequencer so I can sequence all the patches and drums that the XV-2020 comes with. I bought both units at the same time. The store tech/salesperson told me that it could be done.

I can only sequence ONE patch at a time weather its the drums or any other program to any one track/channel on the QY. When going from one channel to the next on the XV, the program drops out on the QY thus leaving me with the default sound on the track/channel I set up on the QY. The sounds I pick on the XV get cancelled when changing tracks on the QY.

Does anybody have any experience using these two units? I'm using an M-Audio Pro-88 keyboard controller. Could the controller have anything to do with the problem?

Maybe a diagram would help! I really feel stupid. :o

Thanks in advance.
 
Set up and store a multi with the appropriate sounds in the XV-2020. Then move on to the QY-100 manual.

Look in either the table of contents or the index under 'sequencer' - if there's a whole chapter on it, it will be in the table of contents. Read up on sequencing external modules with a special concentration on passing the midi information that your keyboard controller (which is fine for the job and not the source of the problem) transmits thru the sequencer portion of the QY-100 and into the XV-2020. The secret to getting a group of various instruments going at the same time lies both in the storing of the appropriate sounds as a multi patch in the XV-2020 and in the multi-channel output from the QY-100's sequencer side.

Start small. Make a test sequence of just a few bars. If you can get a test sequence to play just two separate instruments then you should be able to expand that to a whole song without too much trouble.
 
"special concentration on passing the midi information that your keyboard controller transmits thru the sequencer portion of the QY-100 and into the XV-2020. The secret to getting a group of various instruments going at the same time lies both in the storing of the appropriate sounds as a multi patch in the XV-2020 and in the multi-channel output from the QY-100's sequencer side."

Thanks Sci,

Sounds feasable for someone not having done this before. How would you connect your MIDI cables to do this if you don't mind me asking?
 
The QY midi out to the midi in of the XV, then the midi out of the XV to the midi in of the QY. Set up to monitor the audio out of the XV only.
 
ssscientist said:
The QY midi out to the midi in of the XV, then the midi out of the XV to the midi in of the QY. Set up to monitor the audio out of the XV only.
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Thanks. Now, forgive me but, I guess I'm to go from the keyboard out to the XV through? That being the only MIDI socket remaining on the XV. The QY has only MIDI in and out.
 
Dang.

As the kids say --- 'my bad'.

The setup should be keyboard midi out into QY midi in, QY midi out to XV midi in and monitor the XV audio outs only.

You are using the QY as a note recorder in this instance and nothing more. You need to set up the appropriate 'song' so that you have as many tracks as you need/want to sequence on the XV and do all the recording on the QY.

Here are links to the first three of my favorite series of articles on midi basics - part one and part two and part three. They may be a little basic for you, but we can all use a refresher course now and then...
 
Thanks Sci for your efforts to help me with this MIDI problem. I've read all the manuals and all the MIDI articles and have discovered theres no way for the XV-2020's program voices to be sequenced to the Yamaha QY-100. It's the toy I was afraid it was going to be when I allowed the kid at SamAsh to sell it to me. Wishful thinking on my part cost me 5 bills.

Still only one voice at a time will be sequenced via the QY. I can sequence the drums or any other instrument but not two or more instruments. The QY will not retain more than one channel of the XV to the sequencer. The XV doesn't allow it's voices to be stored for sequencing on board the QY. If it does, that information has not been available to me. Theres no where to store the sequenced voices. They allways default back to the standard program voices.

Can I still be overlooking something?
 
OK,

Your missing something. U can 100 percent sequence with the QY all the voices on Roland. I used to do the similar thing with a QY-10.

things to check:

1. On the QY, where is each track routed? you need to look and make sure each track (or instrument as they had it set up for the QY-10) is sending on a different midi channel. Drums are typically send on Channel 10. Look at the midi setup of each midi track you have

2. The roland must be set to perfromance mode (next to the display) Look at your manual starting on page 70 about how to create a performance. Each patch will be on its own midi channel
 
altitude909 said:
OK,

Your missing something. U can 100 percent sequence with the QY all the voices on Roland. I used to do the similar thing with a QY-10.

things to check:

1. On the QY, where is each track routed? No way to identify the routing of each track. you need to look and make sure each track (or instrument as they had it set up for the QY-10) is sending on a different midi channel. Drums are typically send on Channel 10. Look at the midi setup of each midi track you have

2. The roland must be set to perfromance mode (next to the display) Look at your manual starting on page 70 about how to create a performance. Each patch will be on its own midi channel
Click to expand...

Thanks for trying to help.

There is no access to MIDI channels on the QY-100. (utility) MIDI screen consists of; MIDI sync, Int/Ext. MIDI control On/Off, Echo Back, Local On/Off, MIDI Filter On/Off, Patt and XG Parm out. None of these parameters open to MIDI channels or allow you to see 1 thru 16 MIDI channels.
 
From the manual:

MIDI CONTROL
Settings: Off, In, Out, In/Out
This parameter simply turns MIDI control of the QY100 (i.e., synchronized
playback) on or off. When set to “Off” the QY100 will not
respond to external MIDI control. The “In” setting (MIDI input only)
allows control of the QY100 from an external MIDI device, the “Out”
setting (MIDI output only) allows the QY100 to control an external
MIDI device, and the “In/Out” setting (MIDI input and output) allows
the QY100 to both be controlled by and control an external MIDI
device.

Set to in/out

PATT OUT CH
Settings: Off, 1~8, 9~16
This parameter specifies the MIDI channels on which QY100 pattern
playback data will be transmitted. When “Off” pattern playback data
is not transmitted. When set to “1~8” pattern playback data is transmitted
on MIDI channels 1 through 8, and when set to “9~16” pattern
playback data is transmitted on MIDI channels 9 through 16.

D1 ch 1 or 9
D2 ch 2 or 10
PC ch 3 or 11
BA ch 4 or 12
C1 ch 5 or 13
C2 ch 6 or 14
C3 ch 7 or 15
C4 ch 8 or 16

This is what you want. So D1 will output to 1, D2 to 2 and so forth. Since there are only 8 tracks on the QY, thats the max channels (the QY-10 had 6 IIRC)

This is VERY similar in setup to my old QY-10

You may want to familiarize yourself with the Perf mode on the roland first, so just connect your midi controller directly to the XV while its in performance mode. Change the midi output channel of the controller, the XV should play a different sound with out changing the program (you could also set up a split to try this)
 
Hello Alti,

Thanks for trying to help. I don't know what manual you are looking at but the QY-100 shows no such midi channels. And getting the XV and the QY to live and breath together is like getting the Isralis and Palistinians to cooperate in peace. It' ain't gonna happen in my lifetime. I just need a road map, a procedural scematic. The kid at SamAsh assumed it was going to be cake. I'm thinking it would be simpler to get a pc based sequencer like Cakewalk or Ableton or Sonor and a separate PC only for the music and sequencing.

Thanks to everybody for their efforts.

Here are samples of what I did on my old Korg T-1
www.bmwerx.com
 
That's what I was afraid of. Thanks for the link. I do have the ouner's manual and I'm stll working the problem. Again, a million thanks for your help.

I guess I've made a little progress., I was able to make the "Part/Patch rx ch " dial's 1~16 on the XV correspond to the tracks on the QY. But, I can't seem to find how to "save" the voices to the QY once I've dialed them in on the XV. I don't know. Is this progress? Still wondering if this isn't all too convoluted.

:rolleyes: Maybe easier to play all the parts real time except for the drums.
 
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Can you send the setup of the XV as a SysEx dump? (If you can it will be in the manual - sorry not familiar with the unit).
I believe the QY100 can record Sysex (my QY70 can) - just like recording anything else.
So you start recording on the QY, then send the dump from the XV. When you play back on the QY it will send the dump back to the XV, and your settings should return.

I agree with Alt.909: until you get your head around this, a software solution will be no better because the issues are the same.

I don't think the QY is a toy: it has a respectable XG sound module and a sequencer capable of all the basic jobs, including event list editing.
Of course Sonar/Cubase etc have everything, and I mean everything. Buy them and give up on music for a year or two?

Orc
 
Can you send the setup of the XV as a SysEx dump? (If you can it will be in the manual - sorry not familiar with the unit).

The XV favors the PC for user friendliness. (usb cables included etc..) Though the unit is very sophisicated, getting around on it as a "stand-alone" module by way of a keyboard controller is not very user friendly and very complicated. But, that's typical of most Roland protocal.

I guess I'm looking for someone out there who HAS sequenced the XV-2020 via the QY-100 and might share with me their knowlege and experience.

That said, I am very grateful for all who have attempted to help me here.

"I don't think the QY is a toy: it has a respectable XG sound module and a sequencer capable of all the basic jobs, including event list editing."

Yeah, OK Not a toy but, the sounds don't quite compare with the XV-2020. That's the reason behind my need to sequence the XV. Correct me if i'm wrong but, the QY has 16 bit samples where the XV has 24 bit. The drums on the XV IMO, are superior to the QY and so are many of the other important voices and samples.
 
"Can you send the setup of the XV as a SysEx dump? (If you can it will be in the manual - sorry not familiar with the unit)."

The XV favors the PC for user friendliness. (usb cables included etc..) Though the unit is very sophisicated, getting around on it as a "stand-alone" module by way of a keyboard controller is not very user friendly and very complicated. But, that's typical of most Roland protocal.

I guess I'm looking for someone out there who HAS sequenced the XV-2020 via the QY-100 and might share with me their knowlege and experience.

That said, I am very grateful for all who have attempted to help me here.

"I don't think the QY is a toy: it has a respectable XG sound module and a sequencer capable of all the basic jobs, including event list editing."

Yeah, OK Not a toy but, the sounds don't quite compare with the XV-2020. That's the reason behind my need to sequence the XV. Correct me if i'm wrong but, the QY has 16 bit samples where the XV has 24 bit. The drums on the XV IMO, are superior to the QY and so are many of the other important voices and samples.
 
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