Any Thread in This Forum = Analog vs Digital

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This is where things always get ugly, because nothing can be proven one way or the other, and some people cannot accept that others may have an 'illogical' belief. This is where it begins to resemble arguing about religion or politics, and the debate will never end.[/I][/B]

Right....there's no way to prove....only to hold your ground and argue.

What really fuels the fire is when people *knowingly* insist on making vague, baiting statetments....just to create the "religion" arguments.
You know who they are, because when pressed for more technical proof, they fall back on myth and subjective, personal observations.

I mean, we all have and should be allowed some degree of subjective opinion....but there are lines where it becomes almost fanatical religion, and that's what fuels the arguments the most.
 
No attempt at intellectual phrasing and using $10 words hides the contempt and inflamatory nature of this post. A couple unflattering terms come to mind that I'll refrain from stating outright. I'll leave it at that.
:spank::eek:;)

Sorry, that's just the way it came out, Pal.
Face it, you're all a just bunch of old worn out tape heads. :p
 
In my opinion, one thing that really sucked about the analog days was listening to tapes. It's a great recording medium, and listening to an actual record is an awesome experience, but damn, cassete tapes sucked, and 8-tracks were friggin terrible. I remember getting a tape deck that could "sense" when songs began and ended, which made fastforwarding and rewinding a much easier ordeal, and I thought that was the coolest thing ever because tapes sucked to deal with. And then there was auto-reverse, because ejecting the cassette and flipping it over was way too much work. That's probably how american got so fat.
 
This thread is a stable result of great opinions regarding the subject. Bet we don't get 240 pages here. :)
 
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Sorry, that's just the way it came out, Pal.
Face it, you're all a just bunch of old worn out tape heads. :p

I like this version better:
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Sorry, that's just the way it came out pal, buy a thesaurus and do some crosswords.

But, you show similar contempt in your "edit". In name calling you just display your small mindedness.

I'm not your Pal, and if you don't like or disparage me in the turnaround, it affects me none in reality.

:spank::eek:;)
 
It's curious how many people seem to equate recording on tape to being older. Most people I know who are into tape are well under 40.
 
There goes the 'nostalgia' theory thrown around in that case. I like hipsters and old folks in any case.

What about a suitcase? Or a staircase? Headcase?

It's pretty trendy these days for everything old to be new again. People of a certain age that have never seen or listened to a record in their life are embracing analog because it's the cool thing to do. They grew up in a digital world that their parents embrace so they rebel against it. Indie hipster artists embrace analog so their fanbase does too.
 
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Savoy Brown early stuff.....one of my favorite Boogie Blues bands ever. :cool:

Oh.... this was recorded all in the analog domain....so it's in context here. ;)

Forget all this talk and lets talk about Savoy Brown, I actually sing a cover of one of their songs in my British Blues Band, "Taste And Try," I think we must be the only band in Oz doing a Savoy Brown Cover. We do play it like Cream were playing it but.

Alan
 
No one disputes the beauty of analog recording and sound. It's the the holier-than-thou attitudes of analog only geezers that causes the problems.

It's not a racial or ethnic issue, like if I were to say I'm better because I'm white, or my way is better because my ancestors once ruled the British Isles (Which they did). That would certainly imply a members only mentality. This is different because its a choice and so anyone can use analog... even commoners. :D There are no analog or digital people. I mean, one is not born with a digital disadvantage... they choose that later.

No, as I stated to begin with, the problem is people buzzing in here to stir up trouble when we're simply talking about the wonders of analog in a forum made for that purpose. Sure we talk about other things, like how we use different technologies together.

Maybe I should have said that any thread in here can become an analog vs digital thread simply by people minding their own business... talking amongst themselves. That's what I meant.
 
It's curious how many people seem to equate recording on tape to being older. Most people I know who are into tape are well under 40.

Yep, that's a good point because people often wrongly jump to that conclusion.
 
In my opinion, one thing that really sucked about the analog days was listening to tapes. It's a great recording medium, and listening to an actual record is an awesome experience, but damn, cassete tapes sucked, and 8-tracks were friggin terrible. I remember getting a tape deck that could "sense" when songs began and ended, which made fastforwarding and rewinding a much easier ordeal, and I thought that was the coolest thing ever because tapes sucked to deal with. And then there was auto-reverse, because ejecting the cassette and flipping it over was way too much work. That's probably how american got so fat.

Agreed, cassettes suck, 8 track was worse.
I just got a vinyl LP in the mail two days ago, so I am still collecting round music.

I like this version better:

But, you show similar contempt in your "edit". In name calling you just display your small mindedness.

I'm not your Pal, and if you don't like or disparage me in the turnaround, it affects me none in reality.

I'm not disparaging you.
Furthermore, I spent decades playing around with recording on tape, I have nothing against it whatsover.
Take a chill pill, dude. :cool:
 
It's not a racial or ethnic issue, like if I were to say I'm better because I'm white, or my way is better because my ancestors once ruled the British Isles (Which they did). That would certainly imply a members only mentality. This is different because its a choice and so anyone can use analog... even commoners. :D There are no analog or digital people. I mean, one is not born with a digital disadvantage... they choose that later.

No, as I stated to begin with, the problem is people buzzing in here to stir up trouble when we're simply talking about the wonders of analog in a forum made for that purpose. Sure we talk about other things, like how we use different technologies together.

Maybe I should have said that any thread in here can become an analog vs digital thread simply by people minding their own business... talking amongst themselves. That's what I meant.

Man you keep making my points for me. I can see why Rami likes you now. :thumbs up:
 
In my opinion, one thing that really sucked about the analog days was listening to tapes. It's a great recording medium, and listening to an actual record is an awesome experience, but damn, cassete tapes sucked, and 8-tracks were friggin terrible. I remember getting a tape deck that could "sense" when songs began and ended, which made fastforwarding and rewinding a much easier ordeal, and I thought that was the coolest thing ever because tapes sucked to deal with. And then there was auto-reverse, because ejecting the cassette and flipping it over was way too much work. That's probably how american got so fat.

I actually love cassettes. I was born in 72, so there was plenty of vinyl in my house from my parents, and I think the first "music" I ever bought was a 45 record. And I remember listening to 8-tracks in my grandparents' car (The Carpenters, mostly!). But by the time I really listened to a lot of music on my own, it was cassettes. So it's what I cut my teeth on. I have a real soft spot for them.

Does a CD sound "cleaner" and less hissy? Sure. But I don't think it sounds "better" really. I dunno ... maybe it does ... but ... really .. who cares?

To me, when I was listening to cassettes in high school, I never thought, "Wow, these sound like crap, and they're so noisy." I was thinking things like, "Wow, 1984 f-in' rocks!" In other words, that was the best that portable music sounded at the time, and ... to me ... it sounded great. It was only after CDs took over that I remember starting to hear about the "crappiness" of tape. And of course, when that first happened in the mid to late 80s, it wasn't just the crappiness of cassettes --- everyone was leaving all tape behind, including R2R.

I was a late convert, and I don't think I started buying CDs until 92 or so. But I still had my cassette 4-track recorder that I used, and, save for a very few short stretches, I've always had one since then (and still do).

To me, I think it's funny when people get soooooooooo hung up on sound quality. I see the same thing happening with TVs. Everybody has to have their giant screen, HDTV plasma bullshit, etc. I still have an old CRT from the 90s, and it works great. I watch a football game at a friends' house in HD, and they say "Look! You can see the blades of grass!" I just have to laugh. Who cares? I don't. CRT TVs were fine for me growing up, and I'll use mine until it dies.

I just think that, at some point, you have to jump off the "I need the best there is" train if you want to keep in mind why you got into it in the first place. The quality and resolution is always going to "improve" and become more life-like, etc. But is that what really counts? I don't think so. I think what we're capturing (the music) is what really does. But that's just my opinion.
 
I actually love cassettes. I was born in 72, so there was plenty of vinyl in my house from my parents, and I think the first "music" I ever bought was a 45 record. And I remember listening to 8-tracks in my grandparents' car (The Carpenters, mostly!). But by the time I really listened to a lot of music on my own, it was cassettes. So it's what I cut my teeth on. I have a real soft spot for them.

Does a CD sound "cleaner" and less hissy? Sure. But I don't think it sounds "better" really. I dunno ... maybe it does ... but ... really .. who cares?

To me, when I was listening to cassettes in high school, I never thought, "Wow, these sound like crap, and they're so noisy." I was thinking things like, "Wow, 1984 f-in' rocks!" In other words, that was the best that portable music sounded at the time, and ... to me ... it sounded great. It was only after CDs took over that I remember starting to hear about the "crappiness" of tape. And of course, when that first happened in the mid to late 80s, it wasn't just the crappiness of cassettes --- everyone was leaving all tape behind, including R2R.

I was a late convert, and I don't think I started buying CDs until 92 or so. But I still had my cassette 4-track recorder that I used, and, save for a very few short stretches, I've always had one since then (and still do).

To me, I think it's funny when people get soooooooooo hung up on sound quality. I see the same thing happening with TVs. Everybody has to have their giant screen, HDTV plasma bullshit, etc. I still have an old CRT from the 90s, and it works great. I watch a football game at a friends' house in HD, and they say "Look! You can see the blades of grass!" I just have to laugh. Who cares? I don't. CRT TVs were fine for me growing up, and I'll use mine until it dies.

I just think that, at some point, you have to jump off the "I need the best there is" train if you want to keep in mind why you got into it in the first place. The quality and resolution is always going to "improve" and become more life-like, etc. But is that what really counts? I don't think so. I think what we're capturing (the music) is what really does. But that's just my opinion.

As far as portable music goes, I think we're dealing with crappy vs crappy. Cassettes to me, until "they" started using better tape, and when you used Dolby properly (as in encode in B and decode in B....) sounded like crap. I remember a cassette of the Kingsmen, and while they weren't exactly Queen, the cassette was dull, hissy, and horrible. Same with mp3's. Crappy, just in a different way. And those earbuds? When I can get them to stay in, they still suck. And some of the early CD's sound like crap too. The CD edition of some early Kate Bush, sounds like it is being played through a blanket.

As for flat screen, well I finally jumped on that bandwagon, the CRT TV I had before was smaller screen wise but bigger and heavier all around otherwise. Took up too much of the room, and was a pain in the back to move. Took two people. I like my LED TV. As for sound, I got an old big ass receiver and a nice set of Speakerlabs to go with it, but that's another story....
 
To me, when I was listening to cassettes in high school, I never thought, "Wow, these sound like crap, and they're so noisy." I was thinking things like, "Wow, 1984 f-in' rocks!" .
Lol. I did think they sounded like crap. I grew up the same as you, but I hated cassettes. I didn't listen to mainstream stuff like 1984 though. I listened to punk and new wave and you couldn't buy a Black Flag or Dead Kennedys album at K-Mart or Sam Goody. We had to rely on copies of copies of cassettes made from someone's older brother's record collection. It was tough. The records themselves were great, but you couldn't put a record player in the car or play a record on a boombox next to a halfpipe. So we had to make copies of everything, and they mostly sucked.

And HDTV is infinitely better.
 
Everyone always has a soft spot for stuff they experienced during their high-school years.....some people eve have a hard time getting away from that, and carry their high-school years well into their 50s-60s. Everything was cool-n-fresh when we were young.

Also, people become somewhat attached to the technology that is available, and what they use the most at the time....so change doesn't always come easy for a lot of people.
 
I'm with Mr. Beagle on the cassettes. Loved 'em. Sounded great too - at least the ones I made myself with chrome or metal tapes on a nice deck. Not so much the commercially produced ones though - that was more hit or miss. I still have 100's of 'em and while I don't listen to them much...when I do, I am always impressed by the quality and durability.

Video is totally different imo, and it's interesting to me that it came up. I really think digital has brought TV forward light years...I mean, I do not miss VHS or driving to Blockbuster or whatever one bit. 55" LED HDTV with all HDMI cables + average home theater set-up is like having a movie theater in your home.

Add streaming netfix through the 'ole xbox and you can watch nearly anything you want in great clarity whenever you want for very cheap (other than the inital investment of course).

I remember when you had to wait years for a theatrical release to come out on VHS and it cost like $89.95 or something. Now new releases are available on demand practically right after they leave theaters. I like where it's going myself.
 
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