Another Song - Opinions Please

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Thought you guys might get fed up with yet another version of I Know so I thought I'd get some opinions on this on, especially thoughts on the drums please. Sorry Greg but there's more guitar wanking :guitar:, but I'd appreciate your opinions on the drums please, as I would Jimmy and everyone else please.

Many thanks

 
I liked the song.

That bass sound a bit boomy. Like something around 100hz is really ringing. It sounds a little loud overall.

The rhythm guitars has a little scratchiness or metallic sound to them. They're missing a little mid-presence - like around 3k.

The lead wanking was cool.

Vocals could probably come up a db or two.
 
I think the guitars are too loud. I like the low bass tone but i think its covering up your kick drum quite a bit because i kinda lose it. the harmony i feel is too loud, and my style is using panning the harmony hard to one side, in this case i'd pan it right since the left ear seems kinda full already.

the guitars i think have too much bottom end and kind of mud it up, i htink addressing that would make the lead rip a little harder too. very cool guitar work especially around the 3 minute mark.

could oyu tell me how your micing the drums?

edit - to disagree with triplem and agree at the same time.. i think its a case of the guitars being too loud rather than the voices being too quiet.
 
Thanks guys, much appreciate. Bisson, If you mean the vocal harmony I'm afraid I'm buggered there, both vocals are bounced onto thesame track. I did the vocals a few years ago, I may have the harmony and lead on seperate virtual tracks, I can't remember, I may have scrubbed them. Mud seems to be a common problem with my mixes from feedback I've been getting, so could be down to the 100hz thing that you noticed TripleM or the lack of the 3hz boost.

I do the drums Glyn Johns style. SM57 on the snare, 2 CS1000, one above the snare and one just above the floor tom. Kick drum is sure prologue SM58, not an ideal mic I know. I do have a proper SM58 which I use for vocals, but I'm wary of using that on the kick in case I bugger the diaphragm. Overall, do the drums sound better than on my other track I know?
 
For me the tone of the guitar and bass are strange during the intro - they mix together really well in through the body of the song.

Your transition points on the drums sound like the sticks might be slipping out of your grip - and you're catching the sticks where you should be smacking a drum - but it's only those few spots... they cover the rest of the song fine.

I absolutely love the vocal pitch of the chorus harmony - feel you might be able to pitch up at a few other spots just to slightly disrupt the pattern.

The song is smoking all the way though - tones and voices are good - chorus is cool (nice hook) and really awesome backing voice.

I hope what I say makes some sense to someone other than myself.

I'm going to go listen to it again.
 
yup the bass is boomy.....the rhythm guitars are a little tinny too...but it still has the same feel as your other tune...Id love to hear the vocals get lost in a flanger or something equalling psychedelic every now and then....just something spacey


theres a trick in house music here they bounce the main track, minus the drums, with an automated filter on them, then reinsert parts at the end of a verse so it sounds like it all gets squashed...you could do that with some kind of modulation FX trick like that


sorry Im waffling but I just think a little more crazy psychedelia would really suit your style


its like the point just before the 60s became 70s rock

nice one
 
Hmmm, the drums. Well, on the plus side, I think it's better than the other song you posted. The snare is way out of whack. It sounds like it's out of tune and the wires are too loose. No attack. Too much snare buzz, like it's only mic'd on the bottom. The kick doesn't sound too bad, but it's so low in the mix it's hard to tell. Bring it up a little. How are you setting up the overheads? The sound kind of trashy and the toms don't have any pop at all. I don't know if you're aware of this or not, but overheads should be set up right, and not just thrown up in the air wherever. Proper phasing and placement are important. There's several stereo miking techniques you can use. Check the google. You simply can't overlook the basics. Good heads, good tuning, good mic placement, and good playing. Those 4 things have to be on point for good drum tracks. You can't skimp anywhere. If your drums are still missing lugs and out of tune, then you're fighting a losing battle if you want good drum tracks. If those 4 things are nailed down, then drum recording and mixing is pretty damn easy. I know you're on a budget and just wanna use what you have. That's fine, but you're not gonna get good results. Sorry. That's just the hard cold truth. What you can do though is look into sample replacement for the close mic'd stuff. The overheads will still sound comparatively bad, but you can at least get some good kick, snare, and tom samples in there, and it will still be you playing drums.

The guitars are kind of scratchy and thin. No real power there. Like with drums, you gotta start with a good tone. I personally think recording guitars is harder than drums. Small movements and angles of the mic can make a big difference in recorded tone. Drum miking isn't quite that sensitive. You might have a good guitar tone in the room but just aren't capturing it with the mic. The lead tone isn't too bad though.

The bass has a little mud in it, but it's not too bad to me because there's so little kick in the low end. Bring the kick in and the bass mud might then be too much.

The vocals seem to be performed well enough, but they lack space and clarity. The sound two dimensional and small in the mix. Bring em up, and maybe put some quick and clean delay on them.

Not a bad tune overall. Sounds like 70's rock.
 
I love this song man! This is the sound I grew up on.... let the critics rage! Sure it needs some touches, but man I love it!
Plus this guy plays right along. --->:guitar: <--- Oh yeah!
 
Thanks again for taking the time to listen and comment guys.

Greg L - I had a check of the drums, The toms seem to be in tune with themselves round the edge with a nice ring, but they sound dead in the middle, is this typical of a worn out head? Well spotted with the snare, the wire is slack, it's currently held on with a piece of string. I'll see what I can do about that and check the tuning. I'm just wary of tuning the drums in case I mess them up even more, but I guess I have to bite the bullet, my first attempts at guitar tuning were disasterous but I guess you only learn by trying. I always measure the overheads so that they're equidistant from the centre of the snare, I just wondered if you heard any phasing problems or whether that was just general advice?

Kcearl - This one's not very psycedelic, I never thought of psycedelicing it up, I'll have to think on that one.

Clam Soup - I guess the vocal is a little monotonous and could do with some variety.

Thanks again
 
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