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Ironklad Audio
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peavey used to make the 5150 in a 2x12 combo that you might be able to score on ebay or wherever
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Ed Dixon
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Gorty said:
The way many pro bands handle this is to carry a number of empty lightweight Marshall cabinets. They stack them on the stage right behind them. They then have a single small amp on the side that actually produces the stage monitor sound.
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Ed Dixon said:
I worked as a stage hand for a while several years ago, and once I worked a Metallica show. The opened the semi trailer up for us to unload, and I saw Marshall cabs stacked to the top of it. I thought, "Oh, my achin' back and ears", but when I went to pick one of the cabs up, it only weighed about 10 pounds. Out of the twelve Marshall heads and twenty-seven cabs (they stacked them nine wide and three high), only three heads and three cabs were real, and the real heads were only 50 watters.
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Greg_L
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but does anyone that halfway knows music really think that a band would actually use 27 cabinets? motley crue used to also use tons of marshall cabs. i personally never really thought that they were all functional, but that didnt take away from its visual appeal. look at KISS's current stage setup. their whole stage set is basically nothing but speaker cabs stacked to create a sort of stage wide staircase up to the drum riser. they do it for visual appeal to the masses that dont know anything. a metallica or KISS set wouldnt be too impressive if they only had 50 watt vox modelling amps onstage. again, im not saying that anyone needs a wall of cabs behind them. but if you play rock or metal, having an impressive amp setup adds to the visual appeal of the live show.
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Greg_L said:
KISS is not all that impressive to me in any case. ;^)
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booooooooo!ggunn said:
Gorty
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ggunn said:
You may not be a fan of their music but you surely cannot argue the fact that their stage and show is as impressive as it gets in the big boys world of Rock-n-Roll.
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NYMorningstar
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You might want to try out a "red" knob "The Twin" fender amp if you can find one. It's a real work horse and is incredibly sweet and strong. A real deal for around $600.
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flamin-gitaur
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ocnor said:
That is the look.
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ggunn
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Gorty said:You may not be a fan of their music but you surely cannot argue the fact that their stage and show is as impressive as it gets in the big boys world of Rock-n-Roll.
Peroid!!!
I guess it's all in what impresses you. I went to one of their shows many years ago, and it was loud and they set things on fire and stuff flew around the stage, but after a while it was a little, well, boring. To me, anyway. It's like they had no dynamic range; everything was over the top. It was kinda like listening to a loud lawnmower or something: after a while you get acclimated to it and don't really hear it any more.
But it's all a matter of taste; I certainly don't mean to slam the band or their fans. My initial comment was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but in light of the discussion at hand, what's impressive to one is not necessarily impressive to another. For example, another show I worked was a Stevie Ray Vaughn outdoor concert where he played through a pair of small combo amps (about the size of Fender Princetons) up on chairs. I stood next to the monitor guy about 10 feet from Stevie his whole set, and I can tell you that I was definitely impressed.
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flamin-gitaur
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I use a 200w/200w mesa tube amp for live situations. In most cases (where I am from) the clubs have shitty ass P.A. systems not capable of much. In some cases my guitar rig is bigger than the house P.A., so at times it is necessary for me to use my rig to mix with the sound system rather than run thru it. For rock or metal type stuff (as someone has mentioned) it just doesn't sound right with a Gorilla amp mic'd vs a 4x12 cab, it simply doesn't sound the same. And I do feel that the asthetics of a stage show is very very important to any performance, and the size and or amount of cabs can have an impact, obvioulsy, or all these big name acts wouldn't bother with it. 
To the original poster, if you going for sheer power and volume, go for a good tube amp, if you going for tone, go for a good tube amp. 50w-100w+ and you should pretty much be covered.
To the original poster, if you going for sheer power and volume, go for a good tube amp, if you going for tone, go for a good tube amp. 50w-100w+ and you should pretty much be covered.
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Greg_L
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well, i never said that everyone had to be impressed with stacks of amps. i even made the distiction between different styles of music as to which amp may be best suited. it would actually seem sort of stupid to see someone like SRV wailing in front of a wall of marshall cabs. but for someone that actually knows what theyre doing, like CC Deville, a wall of amps seems to fit.ggunn said:
j/k about CC deville.
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ggunn
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Greg_L said:well, i never said that everyone had to be impressed with stacks of amps. i even made the distiction between different styles of music as to which amp may be best suited. it would actually seem sort of stupid to see someone like SRV wailing in front of a wall of marshall cabs. but for someone that actually knows what theyre doing, like CC Deville, a wall of amps seems to fit.
j/k about CC deville.
Whatever floats yer boat. ;^)
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flamin-gitaur
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Greg_L said:but for someone that actually knows what theyre doing, like CC Deville, a wall of amps seems to fit.
j/k about CC deville.
I'm glad your not serious.
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Ed Dixon
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Like it or not, some percentage of live music is about image, not sound. Hair, guitars, amp stacks, spandex, lack of cloths, tattoes, lighting, etc. all come into play for some acts. In these cases, acts is probably the correct term.
A year or so ago we had a Christain rock group (Kutless) play at our church as part of a youth event. They had stacks of empty Marshall cabinets we helped place on the stage. They had two small amps at the side that were actually turned on.
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A year or so ago we had a Christain rock group (Kutless) play at our church as part of a youth event. They had stacks of empty Marshall cabinets we helped place on the stage. They had two small amps at the side that were actually turned on.
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boogieman481
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All my hair fell out down the middle at about 17 or 18... If I didn't shave my head, I would look like James Taylor now... I think it's definatly an improvement for my head to be shaved, especially as I am only 24....ocnor said:
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boogieman481
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I have a 100w Marshall tube halfstack... I was so excited the day we played a festival outdoors and I would get to crank that thing up as we were not going to run the amps through the PA... NOOOO on volume level 2 I was loud enough for the very back of the venue to hear me.... I didnt believe it.. put our singer on my guitar and walked about 400 feet away... it was loud...
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boogieman481 said:
One prob with trying to supply sound for the venue from the backline is that most guitar speakers are very "beamy". If an audience member is on-axis to your amp, then you're too loud; if he's off-axis, you're buried in the mix.
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Greg_L
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lol. its not just 'my boat' though. im in full agreement with everything youre saying. im just speaking in general terms. i think most fans of live rock or metal like seeing impressive amps. fans of everything else probably dont care. i personally like seeing big amps in the right situation. i also really appreciate great tone coming from a small amp on a chair. it just depends on the music. hell, i mainly play the drums, so i try to drown out everyone.ggunn said:
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Absolutely. For loud outside gigs I'll use my Ampeg VT-40 ..... 60 watts and 4-10's and it's loud enough that the soundmen often don't put it thru the house because just my vocal mic picks it up enough to spread the sound. 60 watt tube amps are kickin.boogieman481 said:
And the actual difference between 50 or 100 watts isn't very much in db's. I think you have to have ten times the power to double the volume. So to be twice as loud as a 50 watter ..... you'd have to use a 500 watt amp.