Amp Modelling question.....

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Dogman said:
True...I have a POD XTL...it is an amp modeler. What it does, is creates the sounds from different amps, and speaker cabinets. Someone already posted a link above to the site. What it does in basic terms, is gives some versatility to my sound. I recently bought a new amp...it kicks ass. But sometines, I don't want to play with any noise happening..like at 3am.... :D

I can plug into the POD and get some decent sounds. My amp also doesn't really like when I play low tunings...I have one guitar tuned to B. It rumbles the speakers. The POD sounds better for this, to me. It has many amps available, and many speaker combinations. I don't know that I've ever used teh same sound on 2 songs. That's just my choice. It's simply a tool to help get sounds. And, it can be fun. :D
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Thanks Dog !!! That is what I was wanting to know. Is this it? Second one down? I already know about the PODS but for some reason thought it was a guitar effects box...not an amp modeller.. :eek:

http://www.zzounds.com/a--2676837/cat--Guitar-Amp-Model-Effects--2619
 
TravisinFlorida said:
true, there are modelers in the form of stomp boxes, rack units, bean shaped boxes, software plugins, and actual amps.
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Ohhhhh.....it is all becoming apparent now.....I am a dummy !! :eek: Thanks. :D
 
true-eurt said:
LOL!! Thank you...but...I am not getting the answer I am searching for. I was wanting to know, if it was a head that came already with the different brand amp sounds programed in, like an effects pedal or what? :confused:
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Yes you can pick from a variety of programmed heads. My "imaginary stack" for example is a Marshall800 pre-programmed, then I can turn the knobs on my pedal as if I had the head if front of me, then I pick a distortion pedals (DS-1 in my case)an reverb pedal, then I pick the room type, mic distance...it's very easy to use. I can pick 5150 model, Mesa just about anything popular from the new and old school. I had the Line 6 for a couple nites then I traded it in for a GT8. Both companies give you a book of what is "simulated" if you will. Hope this helps.
 
true-eurt said:
Is an amp mod, a head with different brand amp sound-settings, used like a guitar effects pedal, is used on an axe to get a variety of tones? If so, why would it be any different, than using guitar effect pedals to get a sound? Why would it be frowned upon?

I don't understand the fuss. If the mod reproduces the sound of another amp and does so effectively, why not? Wouldn't the cab you use, make a difference too? I know there is a lot of questions here...but I want to know !!!

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K.....an amp MODELER (I'll say POD from now on, for clarity) is a digital approximation of the tonal qualities of a certain brand and make of head. It is NOT an effercts pedal, but can be used as if it were if you so desire. You can plug a POD directly into a power amp and play....you would not want to plug a distorion pedal directly into a power amp and kick out a few riffs. You COULD...maybe....but it's a bad idea. That's a key differece. You can think of a modeler as a VERY VERY flexible and tweakable guitar preamp. But, if you are in love with Marshall, for example, and have little use for anything but the Marshall sound, you will not want a POD. You cannot get a true Marshall sound from a digital approximation. What you CAN do is create your own sound exactly tuned to your preferences. Say you love Marshall, but could really do with less of that "boxy" (in my opinon...don't get all upset now)cardboard like sound. You'd use a POD to model a JCM 800 and tweak out all the crap you don't want to hear. Following that logic, the possibilities are nearly endless if you can invest time and attention to detail with a POD.

The down side is, many people will tell you that PODs sound like ass. Those same people will also say that nothin will ever be as good as, let alone better than, mic'ing a real guitar rig and that a POD is only good for sketching out ideas - if you want REAL tone, throw the POD in the trash.

Now, there have been several threads PROVING that many people who say the only way to get good tone is to mic a real amp, just cannot tell the difference between the two if the POD is set up correctly.

If you go about using a POD with the understanding that it is not supposed to be an exact copy of a JCM 800, but instead a highly flexible and customizable tool to CREATE your own sound, you'll be very pleased with what you can do with it.
 
Dogman said:
BTW...listen to some stuff Dumby has done...it sounds really good to me. I wnat to do a collab with him.... :D

And Bloodsoaked uses an inexpensive amp modeler..he gets some killer tones also. ;)
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I will do that Dog, thanks :) ...I think I have listened to some stuff of Dumby's before.
 
Dogman said:
Mine is actually the first one. ;)
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I think the second one is the one I tried at Choctaw's...I don't know why I thought it was a guitar effects POD...or is it considered that too? :confused:
 
I have a Johnson J-Station that I use sometimes for quiet recording or just whenever I want to record something direct. There are lots of Fender amp models, Voxes, Marshalls, even Bass amp and cabinet models. As a matter of fact I used it on Randy's (60's Guy) rock bass tune for my lead guitar bits. The "hot rodded" Fender and Marshall models are both on that tune.
 
Dumby said:
Yes you can pick from a variety of programmed heads. My "imaginary stack" for example is a Marshall800 pre-programmed, then I can turn the knobs on my pedal as if I had the head if front of me, then I pick a distortion pedals (DS-1 in my case)an reverb pedal, then I pick the room type, mic distance...it's very easy to use. I can pick 5150 model, Mesa just about anything popular from the new and old school. I had the Line 6 for a couple nites then I traded it in for a GT8. Both companies give you a book of what is "simulated" if you will. Hope this helps.
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Yes !! Thank you.
Mmmmmm....I am feeling a familiar urge .... :D :D :eek:
 
Anfontan said:
I have a Johnson J-Station that I use sometimes for quiet recording or just whenever I want to record something direct. There are lots of Fender amp models, Voxes, Marshalls, even Bass amp and cabinet models. As a matter of fact I used it on Randy's (60's Guy) rock bass tune for my lead guitar bits. The "hot rodded" Fender and Marshall models are both on that tune.
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The tone sounds great on that Tony...thanks, I am learning how much I need to learn !!! :)
 
tube amps are a strange thing. i honestly don't think that anything can match or top a tube amp for guitar.

a good tube amp can have clarity (maybe the wrong word) that makes some players feel naked without all the smearing that solid state and modeling amps usually induce into a guitar signal chain. a good tube amp can sag and respond to the users playing with an elastic like feel that makes the amp feel likes it's alive. a good tube amp with the right tubes can introduce a sonic quality that can only be described as "swirly". these are all things that modelers CAN'T do. some of these qualities can't be heard in a recording but they are experienced by the player, they inspire the player, and influence the player's performance. this might all sound a little abstract to someone that has'nt experienced these qualities of a good amp.

that said, i do try to make the most of modeling and there are things that can be done in the digital world that would be very difficult to impossible to pull off in the real world. modelers are fun but a completely different animal than real amps.
 
TravisinFlorida said:
tube amps are a strange thing. i honestly don't think that anything can match or top a tube amp for guitar.

a good tube amp can have clarity (maybe the wrong word) that makes some players feel naked without all the smearing that solid state and modeling amps usually induce into a guitar signal chain. a good tube amp can sag and respond to the users playing with an elastic like feel that makes the amp feel likes it's alive. a good tube amp with the right tubes can introduce a sonic quality that can only be described as "swirly". these are all things that modelers CAN'T do. some of these qualities can't be heard in a recording but they are experienced by the player, they inspire the player, and influence the player's performance. this might all sound a little abstract to someone that has'nt experienced these qualities of a good amp.

that said, i do try to make the most of modeling and there are things that can be done in the digital world that would be very difficult to impossible to pull off in the real world. modelers are fun but a completely different animal than real amps.
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I hear the word 'Warm' used when in describing the tubes too...

I myself do like the sound of raw live stuff, but also all the wild stuff too !!
 
TravisinFlorida said:
tube amps are a strange thing. i honestly don't think that anything can match or top a tube amp for guitar.

a good tube amp can have clarity (maybe the wrong word) that makes some players feel naked without all the smearing that solid state and modeling amps usually induce into a guitar signal chain. a good tube amp can sag and respond to the users playing with an elastic like feel that makes the amp feel likes it's alive. a good tube amp with the right tubes can introduce a sonic quality that can only be described as "swirly". these are all things that modelers CAN'T do. some of these qualities can't be heard in a recording but they are experienced by the player, they inspire the player, and influence the player's performance. this might all sound a little abstract to someone that has'nt experienced these qualities of a good amp.

that said, i do try to make the most of modeling and there are things that can be done in the digital world that would be very difficult to impossible to pull off in the real world. modelers are fun but a completely different animal than real amps.
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Couldn't have said it better myself :D

For comparison, here's something I recorded with a couple good tube amps.I was setting up to do an album project for my best friend's band, and along the way we were testing and tweaking the setup by ripping some cover tunes for a demo to book gigs with. Not the best mix I ever did, but wtf, it was just for demo.

We were using two amps, one in the booth and one in the closet running at the same time. One is my mid-80's Marshall Artist 30 watt/4x10 and the other is an early '70's Sound City (Dallas Arbiter) 50w on a 4x12 celestion-loaded ampeg cab.A lot of folks compare the Sound City amps to Hiwatts.

I have better stuff, but I'm 100 miles from home working now and this was all I could find in the car to rip and post. :o

sunshine of your love
 
gtrman_66 said:
Couldn't have said it better myself :D

For comparison, here's something I recorded with a couple good tube amps.I was setting up to do an album project for my best friend's band, and along the way we were testing and tweaking the setup by ripping some cover tunes for a demo to book gigs with. Not the best mix I ever did, but wtf, it was just for demo.

We were using two amps, one in the booth and one in the closet running at the same time. One is my mid-80's Marshall Artist 30 watt/4x10 and the other is an early '70's Sound City (Dallas Arbiter) 50w on a 4x12 celestion-loaded ampeg cab.A lot of folks compare the Sound City amps to Hiwatts.

I have better stuff, but I'm 100 miles from home working now and this was all I could find in the car to rip and post. :o

sunshine of your love
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Nice man...very true to the original. I like it. :cool:
 
sounds awesome man. i wish i could get that kind of clarity in my recordings. i like your feel in the solo. good stuff.

i got the chance to play an awesome 70's hiwatt (dr103) on a couple of occasions. what are your impressions of the sound city? i hear they are really cool amps.
 
True, I'd tell you that I use the V-Amp Pro and the Bass V-Amp Pro, but then I'd have to admit I have Behringer gear in my studio! :eek: :D
 
TravisinFlorida said:
sounds awesome man. i wish i could get that kind of clarity in my recordings. i like your feel in the solo. good stuff.
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I wish that was me playing that. That's my best bud Matt, he just rocks on the ax.

If I remember right, I just had a 57 up close on the Marshall in the closet and a Beta 57 fairly close on the Sound City in the booth.
 
MadAudio said:
True, I'd tell you that I use the V-Amp Pro and the Bass V-Amp Pro, but then I'd have to admit I have Behringer gear in my studio! :eek: :D
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I'm on the wagon now. Although I would'nt mind having a v-amp pro. :D
 
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