Am I really worthless?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Re-Lapse
  • Start date Start date
So who are you listening to in the rap world for inspiration? Do you understand what they're doing that you are not? I didn't hear a lot of rhythmic or lyrical complexity or depth in your delivery. Granted, the stuff I was writing at 17 sucked, too, so don't get down about it.

Listen to Rakim, Nas, Tupac, Eminem, Sage Francis, and others. Really listen to what they're doing. Both the lyrical content and word interplay. The rhythm of their delivery. The intensity and pitch of their voices. Learn their rhymes and practice them.



http://www.wikihow.com/Write-a-Rap-Song
http://www.wikihow.com/Survive-a-Freestyle-Rap-Battle
 
The 2 best rap albums (in my very limited opinion) are about 15 years old. DOGGYSTYLE and THE CHRONIC.
 
RAMI said:
The 2 best rap albums (in my very limited opinion) are about 15 years old. DOGGYSTYLE and THE CHRONIC.
Ancient history :).

Check out 2006's "Fishscale" by Ghostface Killah. The crest of hip hop is maturing in everything from lyrical content to production depth.

G.
 
iqi616 said:
Keep at it Re-lapse. You seem to have an ear for good loops and there's plenty of people who don't. It doesn't matter really where you got the loops from, it was your artistic ear that chose them.

Lyricwise, I think you should stick to themes that you can relate to. You're not the only 17 year-old on the planet so even if older people don't think much of what you're saying, keep working on it. Experiment, collaborate, whatever so that you can learn and develop.

Keep seeking criticism. Comments from strangers mean more than comments from friends/family (which are either too positive or too negative and never objective). Treat criticism like a symptom of a problem in what you're doing. Separate the root issue from what is said or how it is said.

Thanks a bunch, I plan to keep on keepin' on. I'll do my best, thanks for the encouragement! It's much appreciated, indeed! :D
 
scrubs said:
So who are you listening to in the rap world for inspiration? Do you understand what they're doing that you are not? I didn't hear a lot of rhythmic or lyrical complexity or depth in your delivery. Granted, the stuff I was writing at 17 sucked, too, so don't get down about it.

Listen to Rakim, Nas, Tupac, Eminem, Sage Francis, and others. Really listen to what they're doing. Both the lyrical content and word interplay. The rhythm of their delivery. The intensity and pitch of their voices. Learn their rhymes and practice them.



http://www.wikihow.com/Write-a-Rap-Song
http://www.wikihow.com/Survive-a-Freestyle-Rap-Battle

My Buddy Classified(Luke), Tupac, Nas, Eminem. Those are my inspiration, I usually don't listen to anyone else. I've never heard of Rakim, or Sage Francis, I've probably heard them, but don't recognize their name..That's what I'm doing now, is checking them out, from your point of view, I'll do that. I'll try my best, I understand now that I listen to what I recorded, that I need more vocal intensity in the way I deliver it, instead of just.. reading it with attitude, is the way I realized it.

Thanks much, I'll check out those websites for inspiration, as well. :D
 
RAMI said:
The 2 best rap albums (in my very limited opinion) are about 15 years old. DOGGYSTYLE and THE CHRONIC.

& I own them both. :) Snoop Doggy Dogg was my first inspiration, but then I realized I only liked him because he was a "gangsta" and he had good flow, but now I don't like him, at all. I like some of his older stuff, but the new stuff is just.. ehhhh, ya feel me?

Thanks for the input, never the less. :)
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
Ancient history :).

Check out 2006's "Fishscale" by Ghostface Killah. The crest of hip hop is maturing in everything from lyrical content to production depth.

G.

I was tempted to buy that album, actually. I'll have to look at it and see, I've never been a fan of his style, but we'll see.

Thanks.
 
The only thing I noticed that stuck out was the fact that you rap very close to the time signature. Don't be afraid to alternate up and down beats, and let the flow loose. Each word does not have to fall on 1, 2, 3, or 4. Dont be afraid to take rests in your raps. Use 1 or 2 beats of silence to break up the monatony. Good luck and keep at it.
 
notbradsohner said:
The only thing I noticed that stuck out was the fact that you rap very close to the time signature. Don't be afraid to alternate up and down beats, and let the flow loose. Each word does not have to fall on 1, 2, 3, or 4. Dont be afraid to take rests in your raps. Use 1 or 2 beats of silence to break up the monatony. Good luck and keep at it.

Hmm, I never looked at it that way, I always try and make the words work through the 4 beats, never to flow into the next line and make it work. I should try that as well, thanks

:D
 
scrubs said:
It takes a lot of fucking, hard work, determination, balls failure and life experience to get anywhere in the industry.
Couldn't agree more.
And maybe try living on the streets in the ghetto for a while or something.
 
Reggie said:
Couldn't agree more.
And maybe try living on the streets in the ghetto for a while or something.

There is no ghetto in Montana, not to mention that isn't going to make me a better rapper, or anything. The only reason the rappers that did live in the ghetto and all that, that are good. Is because they went through hell and had that determination to get through it and make it in the business, because they were tired of being poor and what not. But to be honest, I'm not poor, and I've never lived in the streets.

I myself, hardly make $1,000.00 a month on a full time job, but I'm not less fortunate, and I'm not in the worst position ever, because there is people that are in worse positions than I am, take Orphans for example, not only do they not have a job, or food, they don't have an education hardly. I was blessed with that, those are the kids that are more likely to come out as talented artists rather than have to go into all the work that some of us do, to make it anywhere, because we don't have that same type of determination to make it.

That's my opinion, but thanks for the comment anyway.
 
Get a career job, but always continue music as a hobby. I like that beat you posted...the rapping not so much but that doesn't matter. Never put all your eggs into this basket, keep on rollin.
 
Re-Lapse said:
I was tempted to buy that album, actually. I'll have to look at it and see, I've never been a fan of his style, but we'll see.

Thanks.
If you think hip hop can only be a bunch of 808s and a guy with loose pants rapping about nothing but sluts and gold bracelets the shape of Escalades from a child's point of view, then this album may not be for you.

If, however, you feel hip hop can grow up and actually show the gritty side of the daily scene with a more realistic and mature perspective (and even a but of dark humor), and incorporate truely artistic and even musical production sounds that go beyond the same old regurgitated crap, all from the best names in the business (production on this album is from a slew of who's who hop masters), then this album would be for you.

G.
 
Re-Lapse said:
& I own them both. :) Snoop Doggy Dogg was my first inspiration, but then I realized I only liked him because he was a "gangsta" and he had good flow, but now I don't like him, at all. I like some of his older stuff, but the new stuff is just.. ehhhh, ya feel me?

Thanks for the input, never the less. :)
Yeah, he lost me years ago, too. But I still listen to those 2 albums alot.
 
Re-Lapse said:
My Buddy Classified(Luke), Tupac, Nas, Eminem. Those are my inspiration, I usually don't listen to anyone else. I've never heard of Rakim, or Sage Francis, I've probably heard them, but don't recognize their name..That's what I'm doing now, is checking them out, from your point of view, I'll do that. I'll try my best, I understand now that I listen to what I recorded, that I need more vocal intensity in the way I deliver it, instead of just.. reading it with attitude, is the way I realized it.

Thanks much, I'll check out those websites for inspiration, as well. :D

I don't claim to know much about hip-hop, but Rakim is generally regarded as having legendary flow. His delivery is/was very fluid and jazz influenced. I mention Sage Francis for a few reasons. He's white. His lyrics are very interesting, with more sociopolitical bent, and definitely not your standard hip-hop fare. He is also known for his freestyle battle skills.
 
Don't let anyone take your dreams

Re-Lapse said:
I'm not going to quote all of you and make a message for each individual, because that seems to take too much time. But, what I will do is do a reply.

So, here I am.. realizing.. that maybe I shouldn't have spent 100 dollars on my Microphone because I have no potential and I should stop right now.

The microphone that I used in those recordings, was a microphone from Wal-mart that I bought about 8 years ago. I bought a new one, due to that.

Now that I realize from everyones point of view, I have no talent, I should quit. I understand 100%.

I made the first beat, I made the beat in "We Miss You", but the wanna find love one, was a friends. I have no talent, because in the first beat, the orchestral part was pre-made. I added the beat (Snare and Kick/HiHats) The 2nd beat, again, the orchestra was pre-made, I added the beat/snare/hihat. I can't do anything, BUT, that.

I'm lacking the ingenuity to make an incredible orchestral part/ chorus part. Etc.

So, now that I have realized this, I appreciate all of your comments, I have taken them to heart, I will save all my songs, but I will stop rappin'.

Also, to the one that asked, I am white, I'm incredibly white, I thought I had talent for being white. Writing talent, that is. But, apparently I don't.

Thanks for showing me how worthless I am, I appreciate it.

Take care.

Bye.



I am 55 years old white and a singer songwriter, I have been writing for 5 years playing for over 30, I don't like rap music per se, but yours is not bad, don't let anyone tell you you have no talent, if they want black rap let em goto it, your not black but that doesn't mean you have to not rap far as I know there's nothing written says a white boy can't rap. My young mainstream MTV types wouldn'd and don't care for but when I do live performances at Art Galleries to people who think music imparts emotions and something to say I have never NOT been approaced and told "that was good". I'm not comercial don't want to be don't give it up unless you really want to listen to others tell you your not good. If you want to hear what I do go to www.myspace.com/bluerigelandfriends I wrote and sant these
 
semidiablan said:
Get a career job, but always continue music as a hobby. I like that beat you posted...the rapping not so much but that doesn't matter. Never put all your eggs into this basket, keep on rollin.

I plan to, thanks. :)
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
If you think hip hop can only be a bunch of 808s and a guy with loose pants rapping about nothing but sluts and gold bracelets the shape of Escalades from a child's point of view, then this album may not be for you.

If, however, you feel hip hop can grow up and actually show the gritty side of the daily scene with a more realistic and mature perspective (and even a but of dark humor), and incorporate truely artistic and even musical production sounds that go beyond the same old regurgitated crap, all from the best names in the business (production on this album is from a slew of who's who hop masters), then this album would be for you.

G.

Well, to be honest I hate the hiphop that is rapping about sluts and bling, I think it's retarded. Some of it's ok, from the lyrical ingenuity that the artist put into it, but I really hate that stuff. Like 50 Cent? Pathetic. Waste of talent. But yeah. I'll check that album out, for sure. Definitely. Thanks for the advice.
 
scrubs said:
I don't claim to know much about hip-hop, but Rakim is generally regarded as having legendary flow. His delivery is/was very fluid and jazz influenced. I mention Sage Francis for a few reasons. He's white. His lyrics are very interesting, with more sociopolitical bent, and definitely not your standard hip-hop fare. He is also known for his freestyle battle skills.

Well, I'll check out Rakim, and Sage Francis, for sure. I love hearing new things, whether they are from the 60's or the new millennium if I haven't heard them, I'd like to. I'll check them out, thanks for the input.

:D
 
shep1352 said:
I am 55 years old white and a singer songwriter, I have been writing for 5 years playing for over 30, I don't like rap music per se, but yours is not bad, don't let anyone tell you you have no talent, if they want black rap let em goto it, your not black but that doesn't mean you have to not rap far as I know there's nothing written says a white boy can't rap. My young mainstream MTV types wouldn'd and don't care for but when I do live performances at Art Galleries to people who think music imparts emotions and something to say I have never NOT been approaced and told "that was good". I'm not comercial don't want to be don't give it up unless you really want to listen to others tell you your not good. If you want to hear what I do go to www.myspace.com/bluerigelandfriends I wrote and sant these

Thanks, I appreciate the input and the fact that you have faith in me, and don't know me. That makes me want to continue on doing what I do. Thanks for the inspiration, and your songs are great. You, also, keep doing what you do. :)

:D
 
Back
Top