Am I really worthless?

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TravisinFlorida said:
I think he should join a gang.

At least then he'll be hardened up a bit and just might pop a cap in anyone's ass that disses his skillz. Ya feelin' me?
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Haha, I should start a gang of emo rappers.
 
You're 17. At 17, most people know nothing. Now, there are some incredibly gifted kids out there who shine early, but they're in the smal minority.

A guy I went to college with at your age demonstrated NOTHING (to me at least) of the writing skills he would demonstrate later on. He's now a wonder film score writer in Montreal, and I love his stuff (Hi Ned). I would have NEVER seen it coming, which goes to show you something.

If you love it, keep doing it.
 
I'm not going to judge your current abilities. What's the point? I will say this: No talent is no excuse. There are no excuses. If you really love something, immerse yourself in it. It's the only way that I can see for anyone to become the best that he/she can be at anything.
 
fraserhutch said:
You're 17. At 17, most people know nothing. Now, there are some incredibly gifted kids out there who shine early, but they're in the smal minority.

A guy I went to college with at your age demonstrated NOTHING (to me at least) of the writing skills he would demonstrate later on. He's now a wonder film score writer in Montreal, and I love his stuff (Hi Ned). I would have NEVER seen it coming, which goes to show you something.

If you love it, keep doing it.
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Practice makes perfect.
 
TravisinFlorida said:
I'm not going to judge your current abilities. What's the point? I will say this: No talent is no excuse. There are no excuses. If you really love something, immerse yourself in it. It's the only way that I can see for anyone to become the best that he/she can be at anything.
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Well, I guess I'm glad I don't act like someone I'm not. I'm not out struttin' my stuff, flippin' the bird and grabbin' my crotch whenever I talk. I'm not a gangster, and I don't plan to be.

I just want to make music that people enjoy, that's all I'm after...

So I'll continue to try, and get better and better. I'll stick around the forums for assistance, never the less.
 
hey maybe rap isnt your thing...

grab an acoustic guitar and try that ;)

i didnt listen to your stuff, but i don't know shit about rap anyway..

but never give up on music dude.

also, i hate to say it, but most 'beats' that i've ever seen/heard produced where nothing but samples already made and just looped together.. there's not that much talent in that i wouldn't think.. any asshole can make a 'beat' out of pre-recorded and almost pre-arranges loops...

yeah i suggest taking a song and working it backwards. that's what i do to practice with midi stuff.
 
zed32 said:
you can call it the E-Unit.
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nah, already exists.. They are called Hollywood Undead.

IMO they are awesome :eek:
 
Most of what I was going to contribute has already been said. If music is in your soul then do it for that reason alone. If you're looking to make a career out of it, then you'll need thicker skin. No matter how good or how bad you are, you're going to have some people telling you that you suck your entire career. That shouldn't be reason to quit. Most people aren't born with the ability to write, play, or record great tracks. Of the gazillions of tracks I write, about 3 percent of them are good enough for me to let clients and others hear. The rest end up sucking. When I was 17 the ratio was A LOT lower than that. Practice and more practice. Keep writing beats and when you realize that one sucks, write another one. Learn from music on the radio. Take some music theory classes. Try getting into sampling more if you don't think you have very good composition ability. Being a drummer, you should have a good foundation to work from. Good luck.
 
Mixxit12 said:
Most of what I was going to contribute has already been said. If music is in your soul then do it for that reason alone. If you're looking to make a career out of it, then you'll need thicker skin. No matter how good or how bad you are, you're going to have some people telling you that you suck your entire career. That shouldn't be reason to quit. Most people aren't born with the ability to write, play, or record great tracks. Of the gazillions of tracks I write, about 3 percent of them are good enough for me to let clients and others hear. The rest end up sucking. When I was 17 the ratio was A LOT lower than that. Practice and more practice. Keep writing beats and when you realize that one sucks, write another one. Learn from music on the radio. Take some music theory classes. Try getting into sampling more if you don't think you have very good composition ability. Being a drummer, you should have a good foundation to work from. Good luck.
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Very good incite. But, as you said most of it was already pointed out. But I appreciate the comment, never the less. Truthfully, I don't think I'm that bad, Sure I have some improving to do, but I'm not that bad. There is worse out there, and there is better.

I'll continue pressing on, and doing what I love, maybe someday it'll move into a career, but at this point, it's just a hobby.
 
TragikRemix said:
hey maybe rap isnt your thing...

grab an acoustic guitar and try that ;)

i didnt listen to your stuff, but i don't know shit about rap anyway..

but never give up on music dude.

also, i hate to say it, but most 'beats' that i've ever seen/heard produced where nothing but samples already made and just looped together.. there's not that much talent in that i wouldn't think.. any asshole can make a 'beat' out of pre-recorded and almost pre-arranges loops...

yeah i suggest taking a song and working it backwards. that's what i do to practice with midi stuff.
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This could be true, that rapping isn't my thing. But, to be honest if I love it this much, I'm going to make it my thing, whatever it takes. As they said, true artists weren't born that way, they worked into it with alot of work and sweat. I'll do the same, if I think it's fit.

But, I will try the workin' with samples. I have a billion vynels lieing around that I can toy with, so I have a lot to work with, if need be.
 
TragikRemix said:
nah, already exists.. They are called Hollywood Undead.

IMO they are awesome :eek:
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That's why i suggested E-Mobb, are they around/ :P if not. I'll use my area code (406) and make a group outta that.. like.. 406 Mobb, or some shit. Which has already been used for a local rap group, but they split up so it's free for the taking ;).
 
Well I'm 48 and still suck...you at least had the nads to post your material, so keep at it and you will get better. A lot of the posters here have forgotten more than we might ever learn. It took Thomas Edison over 150 tries to make the eletric light bulb. His reply prior to the successful light bulb, on not giving up regardless of what the skeptics had to say..." I haven't given up and I do know now 150 ways on how not to design a light bulb". Hang in there.
 
rickb said:
Well I'm 48 and still suck...you at least had the nads to post your material, so keep at it and you will get better. A lot of the posters here have forgotten more than we might ever learn. It took Thomas Edison over 150 tries to make the eletric light bulb. His reply prior to the successful light bulb, on not giving up regardless of what the skeptics had to say..." I haven't given up and I do know now 150 ways on how not to design a light bulb". Hang in there.
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Mucho Gracias Senor, I appreciate that alot. That is such a true statement, it keeps me going to hear things like that, whether you suck or not, don't stop. Practice makes perfection, and perfection makes the money ;) jk. Thanks for the comment, none the less!
 
zed32 said:
you don't need to write orchestral parts for your song, i don't think any rappers actually do, everything is sampled anyway.QUOTE]

rappers writing classical ochestra parts hahaha. anyone can make beats theres little talent in it, yeah you have to know what sounds good and you have to know composition really well but as far as putting a couple samples down on a track its easy to make something sound good its other peoples recorded music.

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I disagree with you re-lapse. How long have you been "rapping"? By now, your sense of rhythm and tone have been largely formed. How long have you been listening to rap? Obviously some people are naturally born with talent, unfortunately you are not one of them. Can practice make you better? Possibly, but unfortunately again from what I hear I'm not convinced you can become a great rapper like you want to be. You're much better off realizing your "quirks" and making them your act. Did you look up that paul barman guy I told you to? Do you listen to the B-52s? When you have less natural talent, you have to find a niche. In this case I think it would require different beats, more like the ones beck uses, or something like wesley willis. YOU WILL FAIL IF YOU TRY TO CONTINUE WITH TRADITIONAL RAP. I think.
 
rory said:
I disagree with you re-lapse. How long have you been "rapping"? By now, your sense of rhythm and tone have been largely formed. How long have you been listening to rap? Obviously some people are naturally born with talent, unfortunately you are not one of them. Can practice make you better? Possibly, but unfortunately again from what I hear I'm not convinced you can become a great rapper like you want to be. You're much better off realizing your "quirks" and making them your act. Did you look up that paul barman guy I told you to? Do you listen to the B-52s? When you have less natural talent, you have to find a niche. In this case I think it would require different beats, more like the ones beck uses, or something like wesley willis. YOU WILL FAIL IF YOU TRY TO CONTINUE WITH TRADITIONAL RAP. I think.
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Well to be quite honest, each person has their own personal opinion upon how good or how bad I am.

Honestly? I think some of my songs aren't that bad. I've only been "rapping" for about 6 months, but never full time, only here and there. So, I haven't technically had the 'full' time to put all my work to it, because like I said many times, I'm not trying to make a profession out of this. It's simply a hobby, and I want to get better, hobby or not.

So, I came here for opinions, and information. So, I guess to each their own. I will not fail, no matter what anyone says, I will not fail, I will be good. It'll take some time, though.

I've been listening to rap for the past 10 years. But, I've never really been into it except for the past 6 years. and just as of lately, I gotinto it enough to write my own. They may not be the best, but I'll be damned if they are going to be the worst. I'm going to make a song, and ya'll are going to like it, if it's the last thing that I do.

Just watch... and wait... you'll see...
 
Keep at it Re-lapse. You seem to have an ear for good loops and there's plenty of people who don't. It doesn't matter really where you got the loops from, it was your artistic ear that chose them.

Lyricwise, I think you should stick to themes that you can relate to. You're not the only 17 year-old on the planet so even if older people don't think much of what you're saying, keep working on it. Experiment, collaborate, whatever so that you can learn and develop.

Keep seeking criticism. Comments from strangers mean more than comments from friends/family (which are either too positive or too negative and never objective). Treat criticism like a symptom of a problem in what you're doing. Separate the root issue from what is said or how it is said.
 
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