Alan Hyatt

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I'm not really sure what this thread is about anymore... and what was the answer to the orignal questions?

Oh yeah, never mind.
 
Quote from DJL:

"Good Bye All...
I want to wish everyone here the best... even Alan, take care and best wishes."

Do you guys smell smoke? Oh, it's just DJL's paints. :p
 
You guys must really be missing your old PMI Audio Group forum... but don't take it out on HR or me... it's not our fault PMI didn't want to pay the bill. Who knows, maybe someday PMI will get you a new PMI Audio Group forum and you can all be happy again.
 
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RO has been dead for what seems like a year and a half..Maybe more
 
Alan, thank you for posting that link, it gives a lot of insight of what happened.

I'm amazed about Chris' attitude towards members and fellow musicbusiness guys. RO used to be a cool place a couple of years ago, when Mixerman, Fletcher and Jules were moderaters.

The problems started when Chris was asking $25 from every RO member and banned almost any forum member who was showing doubts or was disagreeing.

Stephen's board was a favorite of me, Stephen was always showing his true feelings, got often emotional and it was quite clear that Stephen was a human.

His board was gone suddenly, like yours.

It looks like Chris is killing his own baby and he will succeed in the end. I almost never visit RO anymore.

So you sent a couple of mics to Kurt that never returned? A real gentleman I guess. (NOT)

Peace.
 
Marik said:
Han,

Do you really think I would step into all this shit if I did not know that Alan is so passionate about his microphones, if he did not stand behind his products 100%, and if he just did not make good microphones?

His claims on his site are supported by many real pros, and besides, it is marketing and I don't have any problems with that. In our era of marketing I stopped looking at adds long ago--products should speak for themselves. Just go to AKG website and read about C12VR or 451 reissues. I've never seen such a BS. That is the REAL MISLEADING.
Ha, on the other hand can you imagine AKG writing something like: "Hey guys C12VR is not really up to vintage C12 standards and although it is not a bad mic, compared to C12 it actually sucks..... at fruction of cost".

I am with you however, with the last part of your meassage. Why guys on Klause's forum respect each other and follow professional ethics?--because they probably know something and do not need to support their ego. There is much to learn here and not only about microphones, but also about ethics, respect, and all these things.


>Unfortunately, I read in another forum from at least two very well known mic re-builders and one very,very famous producer/mic user that Stephen Paul's modified mics don't last and need to be done again. They tend to get more of them as time marches on. The owners of these modified mics ask to have the original capsule put back in. Don't flame me, I only read this from reputable sources. I have no opinion on this as I don't own a SP modified mic.<

Acorec,

I assume you are referring to Klaus' forum. You conviniently however, drop the second part of that discussion--part starting with Tony Merill response. Anyway, why Stephen Paul came up here? Or are you looking where else to throw durt?

>These mics may be poorly designed, but all the studios in the world use them to record. Right, wrong or indifferent, the mics are used all the time on thousands of pro recordings and I don't see many pros that debate the design of the high end mics. Pros are busy recording and not on the BBSs slagging the latest mic-of-the-week. I own many high end mics and never had a problem with any of them.<

Once again, you conviniently drop the fact that many pros have, use, and like SP, as well as their Neumann's.


>but maybe mic sells are down and PMI can't afford it... plus they can spam here for free. Have you noticed, ever since RO shut down the PMI Audio Group's forum for not paying their bill all the SP freaks are crawing all over HR...<

DJL,

Wasn't it you saying how you hate misleading info? Or you hate it from others only, and it is OK when it comes from you? Everybody here knows your low- down tricks. If you want some credibility please answer a few questions. Please don't include your ridiculous assumtions:

1) Tell us exactly what happened between Alan and RO?--no assumptions, just facts.
2) Tell us how do you know that mic sales are down and PMI can't afford to pay for that forum.
3) Since closing RO forum I did not see anything from Alan, but some wonderful discussions, including this about Soundfield mics. Show us at least one instance of spamming since RO forum closing, please.

And frankly, I think this is none of your business to tell Alan (or anybody else) where to go hangout and where to open forum. This is a free country and anybody can post as much as they want (including you).
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I convieniently dropped nothing. The high bucks mics you call "poorly designed" have been the staple and the only tools in place in pro recording for the better part of half a century. PMI is a few years old. Are you saying that PMI's mics are designed "right"? Go to Klaus's forum and read what Alan says in a rant and what Klause's response is. In a pro forum like Klause's, Alan's post has no substance and he comes off as arrogant (Klause's words NOT MINE). I know nothing about PMI's mics as I don't own any and have said that based on the sheer volume of satisfied customers that I would feel confident in purchasing one. But, to slag the high-end mics and sing the praises of a PMI mic in the same breath, that is rediculous at best. I have no doubts that PMI makes a great mic in the pricerange, but they are not as good as mics like the TLM103, AT 4050 etc. Simple logic (again from a post Klause wrote).
 
Han said:
Alan, thank you for posting that link, it gives a lot of insight of what happened.

I'm amazed about Chris' attitude towards members and fellow musicbusiness guys. RO used to be a cool place a couple of years ago, when Mixerman, Fletcher and Jules were moderaters.

The problems started when Chris was asking $25 from every RO member and banned almost any forum member who was showing doubts or was disagreeing.

Stephen's board was a favorite of me, Stephen was always showing his true feelings, got often emotional and it was quite clear that Stephen was a human.

His board was gone suddenly, like yours.

It looks like Chris is killing his own baby and he will succeed in the end. I almost never visit RO anymore.

So you sent a couple of mics to Kurt that never returned? A real gentleman I guess. (NOT)

Peace.
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Hummm, I wonder if RO even knows about all thesed threads posted on the forums flaming RO behind their back?
 
QUOTE..........:"I wonder if RO even knows about all thesed threads posted on the forums flaming RO behind their back?"

I wouldn't lose sleep over it as there are that many people on numerous recording forums that have little or no time for RO's hierachy that it's all old news anyway. Chris Bialuski appears to be trying to make a living off the internet, RO is just one of his schemes.........unfortunately he doesn't mind walking over anyone who has the temerity to have an opinion different to his own.
 
Acorec,
You are conveniently taking things out of context in my opinion. In case you haven't noticed, there is no shortage of arrogance in any audio forum that I have seen. Alan's post on Klaus's PSW forum is in regards to his friend and colleague, Stephen Paul. It has nothing to do with our microphone line as you seem to be implying. In fact, what exactly are you talking about? I'm reading your post again and not seeing the connection. Am I missing something?
Perhaps you should get out there and learn for yourself so you don't have to let Klaus (no "e" on the end) or me, or anybody else think for you.
You keep making references to a thread where a person who is no longer around to defend himself, is being slagged by the now established - but to Stephen - newcomers in the field. None of them perform nearly the extent of services that Stephen Paul Audio performs on a daily basis as they have for 25 years. There are people now claiming that customers come to them to have Stephen's work undone. I have no idea if this is true. What I Do Know and what is not being said is that certain other "mic rebuilder's" work has to be sent to SPA to be undone and serviced properly. Before they were bought by Sennheiser and changed their company around, Neumann had Stephen Paul Audio as the only indepent Neumann authorised service center in the United States. What does that mean to YOU?
If a few of us are speaking in strong terms on a thread about Stephen and his work, it is not due to some slack-jawed, knee-jerk reaction. It is because we have knowledge of the situation and are witnessing some misinformation and twisting of the facts. Differences in opinion are normal and perfectly acceptable, but attempts to "rewrite history" as it were, are not. Believe me, some of the stuff that is being said is totally from left field when viewed from the standpoint of somebody like Tony Merrill, who is normally accustomed to receiving reports from his customers of the outstanding work that's been done to their mics. This happens year in and year out regardless of what anybody is saying on the internet.
Regarding your comments about Stephen's capsules failing: I sincerely wish you could address Stephen personally on this. He was in a word, didactic. The Stephen I knew would rather close his shop down than send out capsules that failed. He would not see the logic in operating a business in such a way. His primary method in avoiding such stigma, as certain gentlemen are now attempting to apply to him - was to know what he was doing. The guy didn't charge big bucks and operate some silly holistic "mic improvement" thing from his attic. He did staggering amounts of research - most of which he could seemingly recall at a moments notice, developed techniques and fixed a ton of mics for the studios in Los Angeles and abroad.
Say whatever you want about anything or anybody, but do yourself the favor of knowing of which you speak.

Sincerely,

Brent Casey
PMI Audio Group
877-563-6335
 
This thread now shows as four pages long on my computer. DJL has gone right back to his old ways, and the battle rages on, with people attacking Alan, or defending Alan, or comments about the PMI forum on RO.

I'm not going to spell out my position on any of these points, since my position is pretty well known about Alan, low cost Chinese and Russian mics, and manufacturers' participation on these boards.

I'm appaled at the treatment Alan receives here. I hate the fact that some of the members here are so vitriolic. That kind of attitude serves no one here, least of all, me. It disgusts me how some people have so little regard for simple differences of opinion and escalate these threads into name calling and general bashing parties, and that includes Alan from time to time (but not usually without provocation).

This board is our responsibility - we can use it to inform, or we can use it as our personal forum to try to malign and intimidate people - it's our choice. If this is what we've become, you don't need me here, nor can I usefully (now will I) participate in these kinds of discussions.

The forum belongs to all of us. Is this the kind of thing we wish to be noted for? The choice is yours - and mine. I have my own forum on PSW, along with Fletcher, George Massenburg, and Klaus Heyne. I can spend more time there and participate less here, as I've already started to do.

This will be my only post in this disgusting thread. If you wana bash someone (including me), take it to the Cave, where it belongs.
 
I couldn't be happier to see SP getting so much visibility through threads such as this one. As a semi-pro studio guitarist of 20 years, with a new little home studio, my two SP B1s constantly surprise me with very fine results on a range of stringed instruments. Thank you, again, to the good folks at this forum who turned me on to these ridiculously low-cost but effective beauties.

J.

(I've twice contacted Alan for advice and received prompt, helpful responses on both occasions. I have nothing but praise at this end.)
 
Posted by jeffree 6/14/2004
jeffree said:
Hi, all. I've decided to have some of my university students study recent threads here, especially in the Mic forum, to analyze the reasons and implications for the childish language that erupts here from time to time, particularly when a perception of spam arises. Some of the blatantly rude responses to otherwise interesting posts (sometimes obviously more knowledgeable and specific than many others) have often struck me as surprisingly foreign to the communication standards used by most successful professionals, not to mention a violation of the lessons of basic politeness taught by most parents to their children. (Some of the responses that greet Alan Hyatt's posts--someone who does nothing to hide his professional affiliation and perspective--are a good case in point.)......
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Any conclusions yet? :) :)
 
Harvey Gerst said:
This thread now shows as four pages long on my computer. DJL has gone right back to his old ways, and the battle rages on, with people attacking Alan, or defending Alan, or comments about the PMI forum on RO.

I'm not going to spell out my position on any of these points, since my position is pretty well known about Alan, low cost Chinese and Russian mics, and manufacturers' participation on these boards.

I'm appaled at the treatment Alan receives here. I hate the fact that some of the members here are so vitriolic. That kind of attitude serves no one here, least of all, me. It disgusts me how some people have so little regard for simple differences of opinion and escalate these threads into name calling and general bashing parties, and that includes Alan from time to time (but not usually without provocation).

This board is our responsibility - we can use it to inform, or we can use it as our personal forum to try to malign and intimidate people - it's our choice. If this is what we've become, you don't need me here, nor can I usefully (now will I) participate in these kinds of discussions.

The forum belongs to all of us. Is this the kind of thing we wish to be noted for? The choice is yours - and mine. I have my own forum on PSW, along with Fletcher, George Massenburg, and Klaus Heyne. I can spend more time there and participate less here, as I've already started to do.

This will be my only post in this disgusting thread. If you wana bash someone (including me), take it to the Cave, where it belongs.
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Harvey, this is unreal. Alan does this shit to himself. I cannat believe that this forum has been brainwashed into believing that PMI mics (like $79) are better than $1000-$3000 mics. I have to say that I have gone back and forth in this and Alan (in another thread awhile ago) said that he NEVER said that his mics sounded better than Neuman. But, on his website it is written.
Jesus, DJL may have gone a *tad* overboard, but Alan does say this shit, then denies this shit, then *denies* denying this shit over and over again. Then all the people jump in and defend what he says, when in *plain frigg'in english* he says the opposite.

Fine, if people here want to believe that a $79 mic will beat a $1000 and up mic, they are free to come to my studio with $2000 and up pre-amps, a pro board and a 2" 24 track recorder and try their PMI mics against the U87.

They cannot re-write recording history. Maybe a handfull of pros use the PMI mics, but I can find thousands of pros who use the U87 and other high end mics. This forum seems to already be brainwashed and I think it is too late to change that.
 
Too be honest, I'm surprised this dumb ass thread about the PMI Audio Group not wanting to pay the bill is even still on the front page of HR... and now people are pissed off, flaming and etc... over a dumb ass thread like this.

But I guess, the longer this thread stays on our front page the more free....... PMI Audio Group gets.
 
acorec said:
They cannot re-write recording history. Maybe a handfull of pros use the PMI mics, but I can find thousands of pros who use the U87 and other high end mics. This forum seems to already be brainwashed and I think it is too late to change that.
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Jesus H. Christ on a crutch, nobody here is brainwashed. That's advertising BS on the website. And there's a bridge for sale in NYC too.

I have no reason to disbelieve Alan when he says certain artists/engineers use his products. He says his mics work better than Neumanns in many applications, and vice versa. This is based on feedback from recording professionals, not dipshits like most of us here.

My only SP product is the B1, which is a good bang for the buck, and seems to have outstanding customer support according to everybody here. I have lots of other cheap mics also, many of which I use instead of the B1 for most applications. I can't afford the Neumann and similar high end products, and wouldn't be able to put them to their optimal use if I could. And I've read that Neumann customer support ain't the greatest sometimes.

Alan has a good product for homewreckers like ourselves, and he's willing to come here and answer our questions about his products, and give recording advice also. Of course he believes in his products and is proud of them, and his advice may be a little biased at times. But he makes no bones about who he or his company are, so we can make choices knowing where he's coming from.

Others here have tried to slip the spam up our ass in the dark.

Those who don't like Alan or his products can start a new forum here also, called the "Fuck PMI Forum." They can go post their puerile vitriole there, and the rest of us won't have to wade through all this BS to get opinions and information about microphones.
 
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