tubedude
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This is from last week, a quick project I did for a local band and friends of mine called Odesa. They like to be known as dirty Ky rock, and they really favor an old Black Sabbath sound live and writing wise, and they insisted on maintaing a live feel to all the tracks and were not fond of overdubbing at all. Even mistakes were keepers in most cases.
The drums are recorded in a living room with no carpet, against the wall, next to a couch and TV... acoustics were fairly poor. I had approximately 15 minutes in drum setup, so I used the 2 stick technique for fast, easy and close in micing.
Unfortunately, I gave the singer a CD of the rough unmixed tracks the next day, and he thought the drummer sucked. He brought it up to the rest of the band, a fight insued, and he quit before we got to cut any vocals.
So, no vocals on this one, except for what bled through the overheads.
They wanted a rather dirty sound, and they actually opposed the sound of this song a little at 1st becuase it didnt sound dirty enough. When I tried to run the bass though the RNP, they thought it was too clean, so heres the signal chains...
Bass -> direct into cheapo powered P.A. turned up to some fairly heavy ugly clipping... somehow it works for the song, go figure... setup: 1 minute or less... I really hate this bass sound, the RNP sounded WAY better, but it wasnt my call...
Drums -> the 4 mic/2 stick technique, MXL 603's on overheads into RNP, 441 snare into RNP, TGX-50 kick into RNP, no sound check we just went for it. The beauty of that mic setup is that it works in a pinch. The downside is, the toms didnt cut very well. Oh well.
Guitar -> Warp 7 amp, 4x12 warp cabinet, MD-441 into RNP, backed away from the cab some to give some room sound, so it would have more of a live sound to it like they wanted. I also had a TLM-103 on it, but I'm not sure if we made a take with it or not on this particulr song. If so, then its a 441 left, 103 right. 2 guitars were overdubbed hard left and right after drums were tracked, and I left the scratch track in about 10 db lower than the overdubs. The scratch track was cut from the bathroom, with the full amp stack in the bathtub, with a packing blanket over it and a Sennheiser 504 with the door closed. The overdubs were done in the living room after we tore the drums down. Setup: 7 minutes max.
Sound checks were not an option, as I was sitting in the living room directly next to the drums, and I had no control area whatsoever and time was WAY too rushed to be picky. Considering I had drums right next to me, and my headphones are open backs, this sounds pretty amazing. Hard to get good sounds that way, it really is.
So we have 8 hours recording 7 songs, including setup and teardown, and I have about 1 hour in editing and mixing on this one, which is about 3 hours less than I need to even get close to what I want.
I will tell you right off that I scooped too much mid from the final mix and it made the guitar sound lower in the mix, and the MP3 conversion did it no favors at all. It almost sounds like an overal ldistortion was added to the mix after conversion. I dont like it.
I'm posting this cause its been a LONG time since I posted one, and I REALLY like this song, as well as thier other stuff. If anyone wants to hear another, let me know and I'll put one up. I think these guys jam thier dicks off, mistakes and all. I wish I had the vocals for it.
Actually, you can hear the vocalist screaming some rough tracks out if you listen really closely, he bled through the overheads.
I think that www.nowhereradio.com/odesa will get you there.
As this wasnt a particularly picked over project, I'm not really looking for much in the way of advice or whatever, I would rather hear what people think about the song in general. I think it rocks.
Some of my own stuff coming VERY soon... real nervous about posting THAT.
Peace!
Paul
This is from last week, a quick project I did for a local band and friends of mine called Odesa. They like to be known as dirty Ky rock, and they really favor an old Black Sabbath sound live and writing wise, and they insisted on maintaing a live feel to all the tracks and were not fond of overdubbing at all. Even mistakes were keepers in most cases.
The drums are recorded in a living room with no carpet, against the wall, next to a couch and TV... acoustics were fairly poor. I had approximately 15 minutes in drum setup, so I used the 2 stick technique for fast, easy and close in micing.
Unfortunately, I gave the singer a CD of the rough unmixed tracks the next day, and he thought the drummer sucked. He brought it up to the rest of the band, a fight insued, and he quit before we got to cut any vocals.
So, no vocals on this one, except for what bled through the overheads.
They wanted a rather dirty sound, and they actually opposed the sound of this song a little at 1st becuase it didnt sound dirty enough. When I tried to run the bass though the RNP, they thought it was too clean, so heres the signal chains...
Bass -> direct into cheapo powered P.A. turned up to some fairly heavy ugly clipping... somehow it works for the song, go figure... setup: 1 minute or less... I really hate this bass sound, the RNP sounded WAY better, but it wasnt my call...
Drums -> the 4 mic/2 stick technique, MXL 603's on overheads into RNP, 441 snare into RNP, TGX-50 kick into RNP, no sound check we just went for it. The beauty of that mic setup is that it works in a pinch. The downside is, the toms didnt cut very well. Oh well.
Guitar -> Warp 7 amp, 4x12 warp cabinet, MD-441 into RNP, backed away from the cab some to give some room sound, so it would have more of a live sound to it like they wanted. I also had a TLM-103 on it, but I'm not sure if we made a take with it or not on this particulr song. If so, then its a 441 left, 103 right. 2 guitars were overdubbed hard left and right after drums were tracked, and I left the scratch track in about 10 db lower than the overdubs. The scratch track was cut from the bathroom, with the full amp stack in the bathtub, with a packing blanket over it and a Sennheiser 504 with the door closed. The overdubs were done in the living room after we tore the drums down. Setup: 7 minutes max.
Sound checks were not an option, as I was sitting in the living room directly next to the drums, and I had no control area whatsoever and time was WAY too rushed to be picky. Considering I had drums right next to me, and my headphones are open backs, this sounds pretty amazing. Hard to get good sounds that way, it really is.
So we have 8 hours recording 7 songs, including setup and teardown, and I have about 1 hour in editing and mixing on this one, which is about 3 hours less than I need to even get close to what I want.
I will tell you right off that I scooped too much mid from the final mix and it made the guitar sound lower in the mix, and the MP3 conversion did it no favors at all. It almost sounds like an overal ldistortion was added to the mix after conversion. I dont like it.
I'm posting this cause its been a LONG time since I posted one, and I REALLY like this song, as well as thier other stuff. If anyone wants to hear another, let me know and I'll put one up. I think these guys jam thier dicks off, mistakes and all. I wish I had the vocals for it.
Actually, you can hear the vocalist screaming some rough tracks out if you listen really closely, he bled through the overheads.
I think that www.nowhereradio.com/odesa will get you there.
As this wasnt a particularly picked over project, I'm not really looking for much in the way of advice or whatever, I would rather hear what people think about the song in general. I think it rocks.
Some of my own stuff coming VERY soon... real nervous about posting THAT.
Peace!
Paul
