A heretical question about amp modelers

[Kevzmusic]

Personally,

I don't give a SHIT whether the sound comes from an amp modeller, a tube amp, or a newfangled techno gizmo thingy - so long as it sounds ***GREAT*** to my ears - the source is absolutely irrelevant

KEV

 

[Kevzmusic]

Speedo

YEAH, I like that TUNE "Farting Warrior" or whatever it's called...but why'd ya cut it off so short I was just getting into it.....I really dig heavy rythym riffs like that....although, as you know - I'm more into faster, arppegio style lead work....

but hey, that sounded great Mr. Jerkoff - wanking somewhere in between Poland and Holland

I'll admit the G3 sounds fine on this one

Nice crunchy rythym here

cheers

KEV

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

DOH!

I read 3304 and thought the early Tascams....

But still.... why are you talking about OLD digital technology??? The latest high-end digital converters far outperform Sony's early efforts...

 

[jake-owa]

DOH!

I read 3304 and thought the early Tascams....

But still.... why are you talking about OLD digital technology??? The latest high-end digital converters far outperform Sony's early efforts...

WHAT?

Blue Bear, you are really proving my point about post count having nothing to do with knowledge.

The Sony 3348 was a half million dollar 48 track digital tape machine that will still kick the shit out of any converter in your studio. Get a clue man. This is still the pro standard. 3304 is'nt even a TASCAM...damn ..nevermind.

 

[pipelineaudio]

yeah the latest HIGHEST end ADC's far outperform sony's earliest efforts

but the ADC's in even the early DASH format recorders were much better than most mid level converters today. These were MASSIVE machines, really really heavy. Each channels converter card was a big PC board around 13" x 15". Remember that at the time these were to replace 2" analog machines. They HAD to sound equivalent. They didnt, but they were " good enough ".

A lot of the new converter technology doesnt make sound improvements on the original PCM converters...they are SIZE improvements... They fit in much smaller packages.

Compare 16 bit converters on a panasonic sv 3700 with the 24 bit converters of an echo Gina or darla 24....I'll take the panasonic

Not to say that there arent better sounding converters out there

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

3304 is'nt even a TASCAM...damn ..nevermind.

The 3340 was Tascam/Teac's early analog multitrack, which is what I misread and thought you were originally talking about.......... and yes, TEAC and Tascam ARE the same company....

Screw it... I've been in locked-in the studio for 3 solid weeks now on a major mixing project and I don't have the time or energy for your fuckin bullshit....

As for my posts -- you know absolutely nothing about me, and I certainly I have nothing to prove to you or anyone...

In any case, I've been a valuable contributor here for a long time, which is more than I can say for you, so piss-off!

 

[jake-owa]

Well alrighty then, thanx for that contribution.

BTW you posted 3304 not 3340 and even my sister knows that TASCAM and TEAC are the same company.

I know it can be confusing what with all the numbers, but you are the one who jumped allover me about that 4 track thing man.

Lighten the fork up, I know all about you, I spent months reading your arguements before I posted one word here. So I thought we'd hit it off pissing each other off...I was right.

 

[guhlenn]

blue bear, you should really lay off the fuckin coffee man...

Guhlenn

 

[Speeddemon]

Speedo

YEAH, I like that TUNE "Farting Warrior" or whatever it's called...but why'd ya cut it off so short I was just getting into it.....I really dig heavy rythym riffs like that....although, as you know - I'm more into faster, arppegio style lead work....

but hey, that sounded great Mr. Jerkoff - wanking somewhere in between Poland and Holland

I'll admit the G3 sounds fine on this one

Nice crunchy rythym here

cheers

KEV

It's "LIGHTNING Warrior"

Why it's so short? Because my shareware copy of Cool Edit 2000 can only encode and amplify the first 60 seconds... So that's why the song was 59,7 seconds.

If you know any mp3 ENCODERS that can also amplify the signal, that are free downloadable, tell me... So then I can post like 7 minutes epic Yngwie shredding
Like I said, I'm not much of a sweeper, I can play fast rhythms better...

Oh, I listened to your Sunrise in Nubeia and Nothing Fancy songs...
Not bad, but some of the bended notes were a tad pitched too high, but the soloing was tastefull. Did you use the Soldano sim for that? Some of the keys were very nice too.

Cheerz

 

[Kevzmusic]

Hi speedo,

I just use ACID Pro 4.0, Sound Forge 6.0 and Cubase SX.....I don't really know much other software....those three gimmee ALL I need for TUNE making - I reckon...

The lead solo on those tunes was done with the POD 2.3 using the Soldano Overdrive amp setting with chrus/delay.

On "Sunrise In Nueiba" the notes are not pitched or ended too high....I like the Arabic MAQAM (Maqamet) scales a lot, and used them on this song....with the quarter note flats, etc...it sometimes sounds like that to "untrained" Western EARS

Cheers mate,

Keep dem samples a coming

KEV

 

[esactun]

If you know any mp3 ENCODERS that can also amplify the signal, that are free downloadable, tell me... So then I can post like 7 minutes epic Yngwie shredding

Here's a tip, but only if you promise NO YNGWIE!!! (Slayer would be better )

Look on downloads.com or your other favorite site for a program called CDEx. It's a ripper/burner/encoder/decoder/normalizser type of thing, and will do what your shareware CE won't. Maybe not the best prog, but you can set your bitrates and all that jazz, and it's free. It uses the LAME encoder and sounds pretty good at 192 kbps.

 

[Kevzmusic]

Hey Esactun,

Wass wrong wid YNGWIE mate???

I grew up loving Blackmore, Page, Moore, Gilmour, Sykes, Claption, Beck Hendrix, Santana, SVR, - blah, blah, blah........... BUT freely admit, that ole Malmsteen took guitar playing to a new hight in the 90's...nobody can match his licks, arpeggio runs and chord progressions - not even Satch, who is a close second in my books.

I believe, technically - he's the best axe man we've had so far

That 'classical' training, emotion & influence gave a whole new dimention to rock, that was really missing in the 80's hair band era - which all ended up sounded like Spinal tap on ACID

Try playing along with his tunes (note for note)...I don't know of many guys that can do that - even today...

He was, and still is to a point - a pioneer.

Just my 5 cents worth

KEV

 

[esactun]

Kev--

Malmsteen's just not my thing. I won't knock the man's immense talent, especially since I'll never be remotely in his ballpark. He does amazing stuff.... I just can't listen to it for very long.

 

[Speeddemon]

Esactun and KEV, I'm between your opinions about Yngwie.

On the one hand, I think he rocks and plays faster yet ballsier than all those late 80's Vai-wannabe's...

On the other hand; he stole like ALL his riffs and licks from Bach, Paganini, Mozart, Beethoven and Vivaldi...

But I think he's one of the very few shredders -together with George Lynch and EVH- that can play over-the-top-technical stuff, yet still they have a good tone and the tone has balls.
Vai/Satch an Petrucci lack balls... They're castrated virtuosi if you will...

Anyway, I'll look into that CDex thing.
Esactun, can we hear some tunes from you? (BTW, I love Slayer, but I love Dark Angel more... )

 

[Lt. Bob]

Lost in all the retoric was the original question of which modeler came stock with the most usable factory presets. I have a POD, a J-Station and a V-Amp and as much as I hate to admit it....the V-Amp came with the most number of usable stock presets. I was surprised as hell but the POD and J-Station used some of their presets for "gimmicky" sounds that would have no actual use other than sounding interesting. the V_Amp had a bunch of usable sounds right out of the box. I don't have first-hand knowledge of any of the other modelers and I, personally, am a "real-amp" guy whenever I can be.....but the guy asked about usable factory presets.....not whether we liked modelers at all.

 

[6gun]

original sansamp still holds my vote for very realistic vintage guitar sounds. cheap too (on ebay).

 

[pipelineaudio]

I dont know if its an error or what but yngwie wasnt the END product of the shredders, he was one of the first check the date on rising force

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=SEARCH&sql=Aeauk6j3h71q0

also his work in Alcatrazz was earlier still

 

[Kevzmusic]

Yep - just like I said - he was/is a PIONEER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KEV

 

[Kevzmusic]

Rising Force was a revelation upon its release in 1984; Eddie Van Halen had introduced dazzling speed to the realm of rock guitar technique, and the compositions of Randy Rhoads had begun to fuse heavy metal with neo-classical influences, but no one before Yngwie Malmsteen was able to combine those elements with such blinding virtuosity. Malmsteen's innovative guitar style made Rising Force a mandatory primer for '80s metal guitarists, with its classical chord progressions and Malmsteen's use of harmonic minor scales, a wide vibrato imitative of classical violinists, and impossibly fast picking techniques, including the sweep-picked arpeggio (sort of a cross between strumming a chord and picking each note individually). Malmsteen's obsessions with Bach, Beethoven, and Paganini are used in the service of a dark, stately, gothic atmosphere and sent guitar students scurrying to learn their works as well as Malmsteen's own. The true inauguration of the age of the guitar shredder. — Steve Huey

Just for the record

KEV

 

[Speeddemon]

Actually, I outrule Eddie Van Halen!
And why? When he created the solo for Beat It, it took him 5 takes at least (the solo is cut and pasted...), I did my Beat (Sh)it version in 3 takes...



I will not mention the fact that the rhythm guitars are a tad sloppy and the drumprogramming was rushed...