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Re: Re: Re: A question for DJL

DJL said:
You need a job... doesn't anyone on this forum work other that I?
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I have a job, and I go to school, and I run a record label, and I have family. But yet i have time to argue with you. It's a crazy world we live in.:rolleyes:
 
I thought I was getting paid by Alan to pimp Studio Projects mics here. I'll have to let my boss know I don't really need that career in IT Management, and all my Microsoft certs can be used for scratch paper.

Alan - If you're still monitoring, I'll fax my I9 to you in the morning. ;)
 
DJL said:
I'm no expert but I do have a lot of mic's and lots of hands on experience
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Does this mean:

a) You fondle your mics a lot.
b) You fondle yourself a lot.
c) Both of the above.
d) Neither of the above.




















Sorry, but that was too good an opportunity to pass up:D
 
A rephrased question for DJL

DJL said:
This sounds like a trick question to me... what do you recommand, and what sound source do you sware that it shines best on?
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All right - we'll slice it your way...

What LDC mic (other than the SP B1) that retails for $79.95 OR LESS would you recommend? And what sound source do you swear that it shines best on? And why do you think it shines better than the SP B1 on that source?

I think this rewritten question makes less sense than the original question I asked, but if it helps you answer, go for it.
 
Re: A rephrased question for DJL

kid klash said:
All right - we'll slice it your way...

What LDC mic (other than the SP B1) that retails for $79.95 OR LESS would you recommend? And what sound source do you swear that it shines best on? And why do you think it shines better than the SP B1 on that source?

I think this rewritten question makes less sense than the original question I asked, but if it helps you answer, go for it.
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I replaced all my really cheap LDC mic's and don't recommend any LDC mic's under $100... but, if your really broke you could audition the MC319 or maybe a MXLV67G or something... what are you going to use the mic for?
 
..SMELLS LIKE CHEESEBURGERS!!..

Two years later, and it's good to see that chessrat is still here doing what he does best. And I see that he has managed to reel in yet another like-minded "rebel" to fill the ever-revolving position of Junior Partner at his cheeseburger factory.

The rules according to chesscrock:

All opinions are valid and welcome unless he agrees. He is always right, we are always wrong.

All posts that praise mics that he "dislikes" are written by "plants" who get paid by the mic companies.

He is NOT paranoid. He is definitely NOT paranoid.

Anyone that speaks out against the almighty chessfart must be eliminated with constant harrassment.

Anyone that has vast experience and knowledge in the microphone or recording industry must be IMMEDIATELY eliminated.

All contributors to this board must bow our heads to the almighty chessburger.

The almighty chessburger is good, strong, brave, intelligent, witty, NOT paranoid, and he is a rebel.

All cheeseburgers must be eaten by chessfart.


Now that Alan's check has cleared, and the money is in my account, I can freely express my trew feelings about this mic.

I've gotten a whole heck of alot of service out of these mics. I've used them on lead vocals, backing vocals, drums, as room mics and as "sky-mics". I think the B1 is absolutely worth the $80 investment.

I have also picked up the AT4033a and AT4033se (y'know, because I got all that money from Alan). These are quality mics that cost three and a half times as much as the B1. I've used them on lead vocals, percussion, electric guitar, drums, and as room mics. I think the AT4033 is absolutely worth the $280 investment.

OK, overall the AT is a "better" mic. Is it worth the extra $200? I think so, yes. But I don't think the B1 is $200 less of a microphone than the AT4033. SP provided the mic we all wanted: Near-professional results from an unbelievably affordable microphone. I think the B1 is a tremendous, incredible, fantastic value. And it's fun, too.
 
Re: Re: A rephrased question for DJL

DJL said:
I replaced all my really cheap LDC mic's and don't recommend any LDC mic's under $100... but, if your really broke you could audition the MC319 or maybe a MXLV67G or something... what are you going to use the mic for?
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The B1 beats both those mics if you want versatility.
 
Re: Re: Re: A rephrased question for DJL

cominginsecond said:
The B1 beats both those mics if you want versatility.
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That may or may not be true... but is this something you just read or do you own all three mic's and know it to be a fact? I myself don't recommand any of the three.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: A rephrased question for DJL

DJL said:
That may or may not be true... but is this something you just read or do you own all three mic's and know it to be a fact? I myself don't recommand any of the three.
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I've used all three, and there are no facts in this realm, only opinion. In my opinion, if you want a mic that will sound pretty good on just about anything, get a B1, not a V67 (which only sounds good on vocals) or a 319 (the 319 I used only sounded good on female vocals).
 
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cominginsecond said:
I've used all three, and there are no facts in this realm, only opinion. In my opinion, if you want a mic that will sound pretty good on just about anything, get a B1, not a V67 (which only sounds good on vocals) or a 319 (the 319 I used only sounded good on female vocals).
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When you say that you've used all three... do you mean you just tried them once or twice or do you mean you used them over a period of time and had a chance to really find out what they can and can't do?
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A rephrased question for DJL

DJL said:
When you say that you've used all three... do you mean you just tried them once or twice or do you mean you used them over a period of time and had a chance to really find out what they can and can't do?
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I owned the V67 for over two years. I tested the 319 on a few different sources over a few days.

Why are you grilling me? It's as if I can't give an opinion on a message board without busting out the technical notes and properly citing any secondary sources.
 
I would never recommend a 319 unless there were many to choose from.These things are,from mic to mic,as different as the wind. The Soundroom does a fine job of proper testing and matching of the Octava's line of mics.I still cant justify buying one at close to retail.

That being said, I use one purchased a couple of years ago @ The Evil Empire(git-target)...it was picked out of 20 or so and involved a bunch of time and a pair of headphones. Since that time, I have been able to A/B this particular 319 against many others.Not just an hour here and there but actual tracks and much comparative listening. If you find a 'good'one, this mic has characteristics found in very very expensive mics.Mine sounds exactly like a friends' U87Ai with a bit less output.
I still wouldnt recommend one.
 
Re: Re: A rephrased question for DJL

DJL said:
I replaced all my really cheap LDC mic's and don't recommend any LDC mic's under $100... but, if your really broke you could audition the MC319 or maybe a MXLV67G or something... what are you going to use the mic for?
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OK, so you don't have any "$100 or less" LDC mics, but you recommend the 319 and V67G over the SP B1. Like I asked you in the second half of my question, "What sound source do you swear that it (they) shine(s) best on? And why do you think it shines better than the ($80) SP B1 on that (thoses) source(s)?"

The answer (or answers) is (are) what this forum is (or should be) all about... most of us are here to either learn or teach, not snipe at each other.

A side note for all the studio owners posting here - just pretend a prospective client is reading these posts and is deciding whether or not to trust the honesty and maturity of the postee with their project...
 
I don't own a V67 but I do own a SP B1 and a MK319. IMO the B1 is waaaaaay more versitile than the 319. The 319 is very dark, almost dull sounding. On the right voice that can be a good thing, but for all around work the B1 is a much better choice IMO. The MK319 only comes out of the closet if I can't find anything else that will work.

Blessings, Terry
 
This was my take on the 319 in the first place.Mine is not dark at all, but rather full and warm and very very clear.It doesnt have a huge load of gain and you cannot hit it with a kik drum but it isnt dark and mine finds a lot of time in the stand.AS i said on these....mileage will vary.
 
still4given said:
I don't own a V67 but I do own a SP B1 and a MK319. IMO the B1 is waaaaaay more versitile than the 319. The 319 is very dark, almost dull sounding. On the right voice that can be a good thing, but for all around work the B1 is a much better choice IMO. The MK319 only comes out of the closet if I can't find anything else that will work.

Blessings, Terry
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Thanks Terry - I have the same opinion of the Oktava MK-319... maybe it was just the pair I bought though. It took me the better part of a day to go through over a dozen of them to find a pair that sounded similar (and had XLR connectors that were machined well enough to accept a cable!). I bought a pair of them, tried them for a week, and wound up taking them back because they were too dark and one-dimensional sounding to my ears. This was about a year before they started blowing them out at $50 each. Generally mics aren't returnable, but the sales guy at GC looked them over, smelled them (!), asked me if they still worked (which they did), then refunded my money.
 
My B1 has been locked up since the Day I plugged the thing up and tried to slip it pass my partner who can barely spell technical while in the studio. Thats was months ago.

We just got a new mixer and we are just about ready to start tracking again, so last night I pulled out the B1 and he was oh hell no,, you can put that damn thing up. LOL seriously.

This was coming from a real Gear Dummy,, trust me. But he could hear the difference between it and a V67g.

It just did not work for our vox. I will eventually find a use for it though. For 80 bucks I cant complain.

anyways,,, Im moving on to bigger and better thangs !!!


Malcolm
 
malcolm123 said:
My B1 has been locked up since the Day I plugged the thing up and tried to slip it pass my partner who can barely spell technical while in the studio. Thats was months ago.

We just got a new mixer and we are just about ready to start tracking again, so last night I pulled out the B1 and he was oh hell no,, you can put that damn thing up. LOL seriously.

This was coming from a real Gear Dummy,, trust me. But he could hear the difference between it and a V67g.

It just did not work for our vox. I will eventually find a use for it though. For 80 bucks I cant complain.

anyways,,, Im moving on to bigger and better thangs !!!


Malcolm
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Yeah, vocals aren't its strong point, since it is not a mic that "flatters," it is a mic that is simply accurate. For that reason, it is great on guitar amp, toms, hand percussion, and acoustic guitar. On vocals, it's merely passable, and the V67 will probably beat it on most voices, IMO. The V67 can be pretty darn good on the right voices. I recorded an entire album with that mic, and the guy I did it for was pretty darn happy with it, as was the label that released it.
 
If you like the V67 so much, you really should try the V69. Just do it!
 
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