4033 againts a B1

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DJL said:
You made that statement also when you only owned a B3 and no B1's at the time... I had to correct that false statement too, so you didn't mislead others.
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So, basically, you're saying that no one can say anything about anything about a microphone unless they actually own it. Yes, I was wrong when I said that the B3 was a B1 with extra patterns, but there was a lot of reason to think that they were, and now that I own both, I know that there is actually a lot of truth to that statement. They are very very very very similar. I never said that they sounded identical, and I said from the very beginning that I had heard that the B1 was better than the B3, so if I like the B3 I would really like the B1, and that's all I ever said, so go screw yourself.
 
Does anybody think the B1 would be a good choice for vocals?

How about piano?



I am becoming interested in this mic since there is more fighting about it than any other single piece of equipment. It MUST be a very good mic to stir up so many wildly conflicting opinions.

Should I buy one?
 
acorec said:
Should I buy one?
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As stated in many other threads/posts, it is a relatively neutral LDC that sounds adequate for many purposes - a jack of all trades - but probably not outstanding on anything with rare exceptions.

If you have a lot of four figure mics, don't bother. If you have the usual low end collection most of us homewreckers have, you will find a use for it and it will probably outperform some of your mics for certain applications..

For piano it might be nice if paired with something else, though I've never recorded a piano so this is just a guess. I think piano is probably one of the more difficult instruments to record well.

At $80, it's really a no brainer. The fighting stems not from the mic, but from the perception of some posters that Alan Hyatt came here to spam his products, a conclusion I don't agree with.
 
crazydoc said:
As stated in many other threads/posts, it is a relatively neutral LDC that sounds adequate for many purposes - a jack of all trades - but probably not outstanding on anything with rare exceptions.
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I personally think it is the best mic I've ever tried on toms. Much better than the SM57.

crazydoc said:
At $80, it's really a no brainer. The fighting stems not from the mic, but from the perception of some posters that Alan Hyatt came here to spam his products, a conclusion I don't agree with.
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Amen! This has nothing to do with the mic, and everything to do with certain people getting steamed up about Alan's marketing tactics and manufacturing practices.
 
The B1 is an ok budget type mic but it's not the best mic for everything... and I don't think it's better than a 4033, but the B1 is an ok mic to get started with. If and when you have problems with a B1 like others have with the internal shock mount, poping sounds, noise, the mic clip and etc, etc... don't worry, most if not all these problems have already been covered on this mic forum and are easily fixed and or replaced. I think crazydoc's <snip> "sounds adequate for many purposes - a jack of all trades - but probably not outstanding on anything with rare exceptions." is a good and fair statement.
 
DJL, what has happened that changed your opinion?

BTW, I really don't like the fact that a number of forum members are responsible for a higher sales rate at Alan's.

I think it's about time Alan sends us a couple of mics for free.:D
 
DJL said:
That's what you've been trying to do to me ever since I corrected you.
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You mean ever since you misrepresented me?

Also, that incident has nothing to do with it. I just find your irrational hatred of SP (which is tempered by a very very occasional rational statement about them) to be a detriment to this whole board.
 
cominginsecond said:
Also, that incident has nothing to do with it.
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It has everything to do with it... you were recommanding a mic to others that you never even seen before much less owned or used and your statements about the mic were false and ever since then you've been out to bust my balls.
 
DJL said:
It has everything to do with it... you were recommanding a mic to others that you never even seen before much less owned or used and your statements about the mic were false and ever since then you've been out to bust my balls.
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I was recommending a mic based on the fact that I was very familiar with the B3, and everything I had heard and read had said the B1 was better, but similar. Therefore, if the B3 is good on a source, the B1 will probably be better. Now that I own both mics, I know this to be true. You're just trying to discredit me on a technicality because you hate SP so much.

However, I'm busting your balls because they deserve to be busted, not because of that incident. Correlation does not equal causation. Oops, am I talking over your head?!!
 
A question for DJL

OK, OK... drum roll please...

A question for DJL : what LDC mic (other than the SP B1) that retails for $79.95 would you recommend? And comparatively speaking, why?
 
BTW, DJL, do you find that you need to "correct" everyone who recommends a mic based on the fact that they are familiar with a related mic... or does that need only kick in when we're talking about SP? I've never seen you take anyone to task but me about that. Everyone does it, and it is logically valid to do so.
 
Re: A question for DJL

kid klash said:
OK, OK... drum roll please...

A question for DJL : what LDC mic (other than the SP B1) that retails for $79.95 would you recommend? And comparatively speaking, why?
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Just wait, he's going to say that there are no good budget LDCs and everyone that can't afford a BLUE should just use Sennheiser 421s on everything.
 
Quote by crazydoc:"As stated in many other threads/posts, it is a relatively neutral LDC that sounds adequate for many purposes - a jack of all trades - but probably not outstanding on anything with rare exceptions.

If you have a lot of four figure mics, don't bother. If you have the usual low end collection most of us homewreckers have, you will find a use for it and it will probably outperform some of your mics for certain applications..

For piano it might be nice if paired with something else, though I've never recorded a piano so this is just a guess. I think piano is probably one of the more difficult instruments to record well.

At $80, it's really a no brainer. The fighting stems not from the mic, but from the perception of some posters that Alan Hyatt came here to spam his products, a conclusion I don't agree with."


Quote by DJL:"The B1 is an ok budget type mic but it's not the best mic for everything... and I don't think it's better than a 4033, but the B1 is an ok mic to get started with. If and when you have problems with a B1 like others have with the internal shock mount, poping sounds, noise, the mic clip and etc, etc... don't worry, most if not all these problems have already been covered on this mic forum and are easily fixed and or replaced. I think crazydoc's <snip> "sounds adequate for many purposes - a jack of all trades - but probably not outstanding on anything with rare exceptions." is a good and fair statement."

Thanks crazydoc and DJL. I asked a straightforward question and got a straightforward answer form BOTH crazydoc AND DJL. Why does everybody have to flame? Just ask a question.
 
acorec said:
I asked a straightforward question and got a straightforward answer form BOTH crazydoc AND DJL.
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I think there was a solar storm or some other brief cosmic perturbation. :)
 
There does seem to have been some respite from the propensity for cerebral incontinence coming from one particular source.

Unfortunately, I fear it will be only a temporary relief.
 
Re: A question for DJL

kid klash said:
OK, OK... drum roll please...

A question for DJL : what LDC mic (other than the SP B1) that retails for $79.95 would you recommend? And comparatively speaking, why?
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This sounds like a trick question to me... what do you recommand, and what sound source do you sware that it shines best on?
 
acorec said:
Thanks crazydoc and DJL. I asked a straightforward question and got a straightforward answer form BOTH crazydoc AND DJL. Why does everybody have to flame? Just ask a question.
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Your welcome.
 
Re: Re: A question for DJL

cominginsecond said:
Just wait, he's going to say that there are no good budget LDCs and everyone that can't afford a BLUE should just use Sennheiser 421s on everything.
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You need a job... doesn't anyone on this forum work other that I?
 
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