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Then they plugged it inBack stage said:
Nakatira
That Norwegian Bastard
This kinda reminds me of my last live gig I did.
It was many bands playing that night, it was hard to prepare for the show, and the guitar amps they had were cheap Solid states.
I strongely preffer and rely on Tube-amps.
Anyways we wanted to do a good show, and new that this was a big oppertunity for us.
We did the best show we ever did, not because of the equipment, we just worked hard and let do music do its job.
Its easy to blame equipment, I think Jimi Hendrix would sound like a god through a Squier strat through a peavy bandit!!!
It was many bands playing that night, it was hard to prepare for the show, and the guitar amps they had were cheap Solid states.
I strongely preffer and rely on Tube-amps.
Anyways we wanted to do a good show, and new that this was a big oppertunity for us.
We did the best show we ever did, not because of the equipment, we just worked hard and let do music do its job.
Its easy to blame equipment, I think Jimi Hendrix would sound like a god through a Squier strat through a peavy bandit!!!
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MadMax
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Nakatira said:
Dunno about that. He sounded pretty bad through a '67 Fender Strat thru Plexi Marshalls.
But I get your point. Hendrix was a great example of a great songwriter and a tasteful and emotional player. What he played thru didn't matter much. I've seen pictures of him playing a Flying V thru a Twin.
But we're talking about two different things here. The sound quality on those old Hendrix recordings sucked ass by today's standards. I don't think ANY kind of compressor would have made much difference back then.
Nakatira
That Norwegian Bastard
MadMax said:
Yeah thats your opinion, not everybodies.
I mean its very few guitar players who get theire sound replicated more than ol Jimi.
I can agree with you that it dosent sound like David Gilmour or Ritchie blackmore but thats kinda what I like about the sound of Jimi` s sound.
Its just raw.
But i dident want to bring the discussion down this road.
My point had actually allready been prooven by others, I just wanted to chime in
I as a fairly unexperienced homerecordist, wouldent be able to use a lot of products to its full capacity, because I lack the knowlegde of using it.
I know how to use a guitar much better and used that as a refference.
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rsolinski
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Who hijacked this thread into a performance thing? Any who... I listened to the track from Ford Van....couldn't tell which track had the 3630 but I can say whatever chain/comp was used on the lead vox I didn't like...the levels were great and the mix very balanced and nice and wide..but the vox track sounds "dead"..could be the mp3 robbing the high end..I own a 3630 (recently modded tho..) and I use it when I have to...but when I compare it to my 1176 LN it is laughable and I wish I had a bunch of 76's...of course the 3630 is a vca based comp and I haven't found too many of those I like anyway.
Cheers,
Ray
Cheers,
Ray
Ford Van
Banned
rsolinski said:
It wasn't the lead vocal. That used a Behringer Composer. I have heard that guys voice through $10k chains, and trust me, it really didn't sound much better.
It was the acoustic guitar solo and the bass guitar. The solo was badly in need of compression!
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soundchaser59
Reluctant Commander
TravisinFlorida said:
If you hired any one of those guys to do sessions on your songs, you'd never look at your local buddies the same way again.....they are great musicians.
SonicAlbert
Super-Sonic "Herb" Albert
rsolinski said:
I think some of the most important information in this thread is what Bob wrote about his live performance experience and work practices. That's a heck of a lot more meaningful than more regurgitation over a crummy compressor like the 3630. Most people here who play an instrument would do well to copy and save what Bob wrote for their future reference, he didn't write a single wrong word.
As far as learning 80 songs for a show, that's definitely doable. Especially by a guy who has played as many songs as he has. As Bob mentioned, he kind of knows what the next chord will be even on original songs. If you play enough material for as long as he has, you can get into that kind of zone. Most songs follow *more or less* the same format and it gets predictable.
The other key is you'll notice that he said he listens to the CD of the gig in advance. This is something I do as well when there's a CD available, and it allows you to sit down and play the show near 100% the first time. Some guys I know spend a lot of time with the CD, getting it right before the first rehearsal.
However, there are some gigs that you simply can't prepare for in the same way. This is when I believe the single most important skill for a freelance musician to have comes into play: the ability to sight read. The ability to play by ear is more important for some genre's, but playing by ear will simply not cut it for a lot of gigs. If you can sight read a piece of music accurately, up to tempo, and without flaws (or reasonably few clams) the very first time you see it, you can make a living as a musician.
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rsolinski
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Yep..every word of that post is accurate....My cuz is a top notch keyboard guy in Nashville who toured with Alabama for 15 years and played on more cd's and sessions than you could ever imagine...really pro session guys are AMAZING which is why they have the gigs they do...they can all sight read, chart read, play by ear and improvise better than 99% of the musicians out there..I would give my left nut to do a session with Leno's band..or Letterman's!
Cheers,
Ray
Cheers,
Ray
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producerkid
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ford van, i was going to say the 2mix had the 3630, but now that i know i can deffinately hear it on the bass, the acoustic didnt even occur to me though.
i have one of these units and i personally dont have too much gripe with it. i used to use it on lead vox alot for flavor. does a great "breathy" vocal trick. slam it on about a 2.5:1 ratio....killer.....
just me though
the kid
p.s. ive used one of these AND.....wait.....yes....a BBE 462 on a 2mix before with great results (metal). its all about application and selectiveness.
STOP TALKING SHIT!!! hahaha
i have one of these units and i personally dont have too much gripe with it. i used to use it on lead vox alot for flavor. does a great "breathy" vocal trick. slam it on about a 2.5:1 ratio....killer.....
just me though
the kid
p.s. ive used one of these AND.....wait.....yes....a BBE 462 on a 2mix before with great results (metal). its all about application and selectiveness.
STOP TALKING SHIT!!! hahaha
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MOFO Pro
Opinions are like SM-57s
SLAM??? wrong verb I'd say... more like nudge... And the only time I bring up maximizer and 3630 in the same sentence is when I'm talking about my home entertainment center...producerkid said:
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producerkid
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When i said slam i meant set the threshold to where on average your looking at at least 6-10db of reduction. I'm sorry but if you cant hear the compression happening at those levels, then the compressor is not to blame. The 2-3:1 mark on the ratio of that box is where you are going to get alot of the color from. Anything past that is stepping into a more "leveling" kind of thing. Granted, not every compressor sounds the same or operates the same, the 3630 does compress the signal at any rate, because it is a compressor.....err...yeah. You just have to learn what that unit is actually doing with a signal, more or less, how it does it.
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MOFO Pro
Opinions are like SM-57s
I'm sooooo tired of being told that if I don't like a particular piece of gear it's because I don't know how to use it... The 3630 is worth every penny... can you use it... yes, does it compress... yes again... can you make it sound not shitty...uh huh... but does almost every other piece on the market do it better... you got it... yup
I strive towards much better than "not shitty"
I strive towards much better than "not shitty"
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soundchaser59
Reluctant Commander
Maybe BBE started the Maximizer market to compensate for the 3630's trashing the sound....? 
tkingen
Djembes Rock
TravisinFlorida said:
This depends on the level of musicianship, style and what is expected of the hired gun.
A sidebar anecdote - I once attended a seminar hosted by the late great Howard Roberts - one of the most recorded guitarists in history. He challenged anyone in the audience to come up and play something that he himself couldn't play by ear.
Mr. Roberts turned his back while people were going up and playing complex original tunes. After they were done Howard turned around and played what they had just played and sounded better!
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producerkid
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Ok well I've apparently missed the point that this thread was trying to prove. I thought we were talking about a piece of gear someone had that didnt have anything else to use. I was only giving a heads up that this was perfectly fine.
I appologize. lol
the kid
I appologize. lol
the kid
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travelin travis
New member
sometimes a thread makes some funny turns around here. go to the cave to find some real good examples of this.
Phosphene
Horse Diaper
tkingen said:
How long were the pieces he played?
Oh, yea, I wish I never sold my 3630. If I could get that EXACT 3630 back, that would be awesome. But no other one.
dkelley
Active member
MOFO Pro said:
WTF? sure, last time I performed as violin soloist with a symphony orchestra I didn't tune my Amati. Also when I recorded the bass guitar parts for a recent studio album as a session musician the last thing I would have done is tune the instrument, those frets make bending the strings into perfect tuning just so easy you know.
Not trying to sound pompous, just proving a point (high level performing musician, definitely more picky about making sure my instruments are in tune than the less advanced musicians I've worked with).
Cheers,
Don
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MOFO Pro
Opinions are like SM-57s
Wow... that must have sounded terrible...dkelley said: