turtlishous
seconds please!
my first pass thru these i thought A was yours....but now after hearing it a couple times the levels are FAR better in A and also has a bass guitar in it 
A=pro
B=you
final answer
A=pro
B=you
final answer
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kikkis
New member
Ok A was the 'pro' mix,
and B was my mix (with the 'annoying' long intro)
I guess aside from the panning issues, I got a fair amount of thumbs up.
Thanks everyone.
and B was my mix (with the 'annoying' long intro)
I guess aside from the panning issues, I got a fair amount of thumbs up.
Thanks everyone.
Freudian Slip
New member
Wow I can't believe a pro put in that much Loooooooow end?
F.S.
F.S.
NL5
Unpossible!
kikkis said:
Wow. I'd ask for my money back. His mix was terrible. If you can go back and fix the panning issues and put a tad more bottom into your mix it will be pretty badass!
(and get rid of that intro!)
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jaybriggs84
New member
I'm not listening on my monitors, just some 20 computer speakers, but the vocals sound better in the A mix. 3500 is a lot of money....
Perdicament
New member
Well, it doesn't totally surprise me....I think they both have missed the mark, but in all honesty after giving them a good second listen last night...B is a better mix...
It needs more low end, but not as much as A has
maybe try and double the bass line and use the second one to fatten it up... Like I said, I love that bass line...but it's too thin... I think if ya do that and work a bit on the drums, maybe giving the kick and the toms some more low beef, I think ya have a winner...
Either way, props to you... bummer about the 3500 clams yer out though...if ya ever in my neck of the woods I'll buy ya a brewski
It needs more low end, but not as much as A has
maybe try and double the bass line and use the second one to fatten it up... Like I said, I love that bass line...but it's too thin... I think if ya do that and work a bit on the drums, maybe giving the kick and the toms some more low beef, I think ya have a winner...
Either way, props to you... bummer about the 3500 clams yer out though...if ya ever in my neck of the woods I'll buy ya a brewski
NL5
Unpossible!
jaybriggs84 said:
I would hope that a $3500 mix job would sound undeniably better.
Was it $3500 for the one song?
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kikkis
New member
NL5 said:
Nope, for 8.
I was just being dramatic in the thread title so people would read it.
haha cheers! I hate to think now where that money could have been better spent...Perdicament said:
Anyway it's all in the past now. I'm going to fix those panning bits and pieces, and the intro was designed as the tail end of the previous song on the album. I'll chop it for the sake of listening to it here though.
Should have it posted soon.
chrisharris
King of Bling
I love this thread, and I'm glad you posted it.
Since the cat's out of the bag, anything I post will probably seem self-serving, but my honest thoughts were very simple.
1. The overall balance in B was better, but the vocal panning pissed me off...I'm a fan of radical panning, but you have to be sure to compensate for apparent level differences brought about by the shifts.
2. A was woofy.
I was hoping yours was B, because I just love the whole process of home recording, and I have believed for a long time that when it comes to mixing and mastering, the only limitation we have any more are our ears, and you have good ones. I still believe that the source recording obviously matters a lot, and it's the biggest area where the big boys can still have a mammoth advantage, both with room treatments and outboard gear. I'm also savvy enough to know that today, 98% of the public at large cannot tell the difference between the 2 mixes period, much less have an opinion as to which mix is better. But yours was.
Since the cat's out of the bag, anything I post will probably seem self-serving, but my honest thoughts were very simple.
1. The overall balance in B was better, but the vocal panning pissed me off...I'm a fan of radical panning, but you have to be sure to compensate for apparent level differences brought about by the shifts.
2. A was woofy.
I was hoping yours was B, because I just love the whole process of home recording, and I have believed for a long time that when it comes to mixing and mastering, the only limitation we have any more are our ears, and you have good ones. I still believe that the source recording obviously matters a lot, and it's the biggest area where the big boys can still have a mammoth advantage, both with room treatments and outboard gear. I'm also savvy enough to know that today, 98% of the public at large cannot tell the difference between the 2 mixes period, much less have an opinion as to which mix is better. But yours was.
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Mistral
RyosaMusic
IMO B kicked A's ass, and no I didn't know which was which before I came to that conclusion. I really hated that intro effect though. Nice tune, was impressed with the singing.
NL5
Unpossible!
kikkis said:
Ahhhhhhh. That makes a lot of difference. $3500 mix vs. a $400 mix. $400 buys you about 4-6 hours. Not nearly enough time for a "pro" job. That being said, his mix had same major flaws in it that should have been addressed. That low freq waffling is something any pro should have fixed.
Kudos to you though, your mix is way better than his.
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
For sure.NL5 said:
Eck
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
Errmmm, what about that funny Ol stuff called money n time.chrisharris said:
Eck
chrisharris
King of Bling
ecktronic said:Errmmm, what about that funny Ol stuff called money n time.
Eck
We have all the time in the world. I don't know about you, but I don't have any pressing release dates coming up, lol. When I record in a studio, I'm always trying to haul ass to save money.
And mixing/mastering is cheap in digital. Recording is a different story...but mixing and mastering can be done for the cost of software...or even cheaper, lol.
treymonfauntre
Magic Bag Of Sounds
i'll be honest here.. a mix like A has a lot of potential in it. it has a lot of low end, but thats the kind of character that you remember for the rest of your life. if you heard that A mix and then the band ended up releasing the B mix you'd always remember how much bass and power the band used to have, and anytime you heard a mix that sounded similar you would think of it.
how do i know that? because its happened to me. i know a lot of total beginner mixers and while their mixes are no where near radio ready they still stick with me way more than any top 40 mix does.
HOWEVER, mix A cost more than a years worth of rent where i live, so i would regret that all year personally.
how do i know that? because its happened to me. i know a lot of total beginner mixers and while their mixes are no where near radio ready they still stick with me way more than any top 40 mix does.
HOWEVER, mix A cost more than a years worth of rent where i live, so i would regret that all year personally.
Freudian Slip
New member
I don't know, I will remember clicking off mix "A" about 5 seconds into it to check out mix "B" 
I did go back and listen to more of mix "A" later but I never made it all the way threw either one.
I'm not going to bang to hard on the mixer because I know some times when you go to a studio you get what you ask for. I know I have asked for stuff that I was sorry about later
I can't see this mix leaving the studio in the shape it's in unless there was some satisfaction at that point. I also don't see both mixes having the same basic panning style without there having been consent or suggestion.
The problem with the loooows should have been taken care of before the job was called done.
I've always paid some as I went so I never had a problem getting rough mixes or done mixes out of the studio before the full bill was paid. I've always been able to play it around on plenty of systems as things went along.
Now if the problem with the lows is mostly in the mastering, hopefully you have the unmastered mixes and like those? If you do I would take them elsewhere for mastering. To me there's a problem with the lows in the mix brought out by bad mastering, but I think alot of it could be solved if someone else mastered it.
Just my opinion. Don't beat me up 
F.S.
I did go back and listen to more of mix "A" later but I never made it all the way threw either one.
I'm not going to bang to hard on the mixer because I know some times when you go to a studio you get what you ask for. I know I have asked for stuff that I was sorry about later
I can't see this mix leaving the studio in the shape it's in unless there was some satisfaction at that point. I also don't see both mixes having the same basic panning style without there having been consent or suggestion.The problem with the loooows should have been taken care of before the job was called done.
I've always paid some as I went so I never had a problem getting rough mixes or done mixes out of the studio before the full bill was paid. I've always been able to play it around on plenty of systems as things went along.
Now if the problem with the lows is mostly in the mastering, hopefully you have the unmastered mixes and like those? If you do I would take them elsewhere for mastering. To me there's a problem with the lows in the mix brought out by bad mastering, but I think alot of it could be solved if someone else mastered it.
Just my opinion. Don't beat me up
F.S.
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
Our album was meant to be finished by November! Im heavy stressing at the moment to get it finished in a hurry without overlooking anything. :Schrisharris said:
Yeah your right about the mixing ,and how its free once you ahve your software, but theres always the want to upgrade plugins etc.
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ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
Im pretty sure it sounds like its the way the kick drum has been mixed in that is overpowering, but some mastering might have added more low end for some unknown reason.Freudian Slip said:
Eck
rayc
retroreprobate
Well, with the crop of crap that won ARIAs last year I'm not suprised at the Award Winner's pooh on a stick result.
B does need a little more ergs but the instruments are clearer - I like the vocal panning - but then I really like the 1st 3 Queen albums.
The intro could be redone with the same dynamic range but 1/2 the length & a leslie/univibe.
Your mix ought to be really good once you've followed the advice given. Mastering though - I'm no fan of home studio mastering - cheap it may be but easy it will never be. Presets & Plug Ins won't come near a real mastering job.
I love a lot of stuff on this forum & want to hear it away from MP3 degradation - let alone streaming reaming - AND well mastered.
B does need a little more ergs but the instruments are clearer - I like the vocal panning - but then I really like the 1st 3 Queen albums.
The intro could be redone with the same dynamic range but 1/2 the length & a leslie/univibe.
Your mix ought to be really good once you've followed the advice given. Mastering though - I'm no fan of home studio mastering - cheap it may be but easy it will never be. Presets & Plug Ins won't come near a real mastering job.
I love a lot of stuff on this forum & want to hear it away from MP3 degradation - let alone streaming reaming - AND well mastered.
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travelin travis
New member
I think both mixes have their good and bad points but if I could mix like you, I wouldn't be shelling out another $3500 any time soon.