Looking for Class B tube preamplifier or amplifier, how many can you remember?

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Class B tube is the best sounding to me. However I haven't seen any since the 80's. Pure class B. Not A not AB ...JUST B. Characterized usually by a high gain or low gain input and great coloration. Classic sound. How many Class B 's can you remember?

1. ADA made the ADA T100S amp (80's and rare). Class B
2. Music Man made the 112RP Combo in 1980-1984 (awesome)
3. Rocktron made the Voodu Valve Preamp. While not true class B..ReMatrixed in its DSP it can do a Class B Low Gain mode...Still sold today I believe.
 
Those were really cool amps! I never owned one but wanted one bad when I was in HS.
How about it. Its like all that great coloration that made it easy, is gone.

If you have a Rocktron Voodu Valve preamp(about a $150 on reverb) turn it to 'NEIL'S CLEAN' and flip from class A to class B low gain mode in settings. You will instantly know what Im talking about. KEEP ROCK'n IN THE FREE WORLD! The Voodu valve is one of the longest production pieces running it came out in 94-> present.
 
I am somewhat at a loss here and suspect there is some confusion of terms?

A "class B" PRE amp seems very unlikely? The circuit uses single stages (not push pull) and therefore a triode biased to cut off* would produce horrible distortion and really not be usable. Sensitivity would also be low.

A class B p-p output stage IS feasible but again, until you were pushing the valves very hard there would be cracking distortion and again low small signal gain. If you had a fixed biased amp you could I suppose increase bias volts to just cut off the valves and see if you liked the result? I am betting not! Naturally I am assuming you have the gear and knowledge to do this safely. One problem would be I am sure that most fixed biased OP stages do not give enough range on the bias control to cut off the valves but that could be kludged in most cases.

*there would have to be either a negative grid supply or a +ve feed to cathodes to just cut the valve off (was done that way in TV "sync separators") but bias would drift with mains voltage variations. You can stabilize the HT to a pre amp quite easily and cheaply. Not so for an OP stage nor would you want to for other reasons.

Dave.
 
plenty of resourses out there.. Sometimes class B sounds better for guitar than class A amplifiers. A 's fidelity is too high for coloration at power tube break up....


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A "class B" PRE amp seems very unlikely? The circuit uses single stages (not push pull) and therefore a triode biased to cut off* would produce horrible distortion and really not be usable. Sensitivity would also be low.
suck it Dave...in a nice way.
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plenty of resourses out there.. Sometimes class B sounds better for guitar than class A amplifiers. A 's fidelity is too high for coloration at power tube break up....


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As I said before "some confusion over terms"!

There is a tendency for people to mix up push-pull operation (where the two OP valves are effectively in series) and the amount of standing current in the stage which defines their "class". "Cathode bias" is also thrown in to further add confusing **** to the mix!

Basically, the CLASS of a valve stage decides whether or not the device conducts for the duration of a whole cycle. Now, ALL audio p-p valve amplifiers are class AB to some extent. That means that BOTH valves pass anode current for small amplitude signals (and are thus effectively class A) but as the drive voltage rises one valve is cut off at the highest negative peak. This does not matter as the other valve IS conducting. When the waveform goes through zero, the valves swap duty. Obviously you can't do this with ONE valve!

The only time an audio amplifier would be biased to 'pure' class B, i.e. BOTH valves just cut off, is when you need to save power. Running on car batteries and rotary converters i.e. fairgrounds. Military RF modulators.

Re class A, even the venerable Vox AC30 which is always called "class A" departs from absolute purity when you really drive the beans off it. The old Mullard 5-20 and 5-10 designs are "hi fi" but still AB. (the 3-3 is of course SE A)

Solid state designs are of little import here? Too many variables, two OP transistors? 4, 6, 8? Bipolar, MOSFET? The combinations are legion. If you want to know look up Duggy Self's book on sstate PAs.

Dave.
 
physical proof is too much for you
Obviously you can't do this with ONE valve!
obviously you can. im not gonna look, but pretty sure the Voodu valve is only one tube...
 
Anyone can produce a pretty display. Get me the schematic and the numbers!

Suck that.

Dave.
Display parameters are representive of something important..more than the some of its parts.
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physical proof is too much for you

obviously you can.
The adpuff men put all kinds of stuff on products and in print...don't mean it's true! (for example there is no such thing as "rms " watts!)

Yes, you COULD bias a pre amp valve to zero Ia but I maintain it would sound ***t and have next to no gain. Again, circuits and voltages.

Dave.
 
by biasing you mean a tech turns a dial potentiometer to alter the bias..or that it is auto biased..my meaning is you the tech cannot easily adjust it.

I dont have schematics. But I believe the listed 'B' amps are auto biasing.
 
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Here is a very hurried diagram of the biasing of an ECC83/12AX7.
"A" is the standard preamp stage found in 99% of valve amps with slight variations. This is called "centre biasing" such that Ia swings around the 1mA point but never goes to zero.

"B" cuts off the valve by raising the cathode voltage. 4 volts will just cut off an 83 with a 300V anode supply. This circuit has the advantage that it "tracks" variations in HT pretty well.

"C" uses a negative supply rail to do the same thing.
 

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I agree the point the tube turns on and then off is important. That area missing from the sine wave on a Class B gives it its coloration. That missing information from on to off.
 
Getting there but I still say the distortion from a truly cut off SE stage would be unusable and horrid.

Dave.
 
or would it sound like a faster attack type of clipping.

Hey man I cannot explain why low gain type B dirty clean sounds better to me...I can just ask if there are any more out there I can buy.

Are there?
 
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