Mixing elements individually from EZDrummer 2 kit loops

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I use the tap2find function in EZdrummer2 to find certain loops that match best with the ideas that I try and develop. I'm working on one song that, technically, would be my first real mix, as the several songs I made some 5-10 years ago were never, ever mixed...

Anyway, obviously the loops aren't ideal, and I'd like to be able to adjust the individual pieces of the kit (most notably, the snare and hi hat). I've been told the best way to do this is by soloing each drum element within EZDrummer then bouncing each soloed element to disk as audio and mix these separate audio tracks individually. Is this really the best way? I use Studio One, for what it's worth.

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:D

Obviously I'm kidding, but hopefully someone can help.
 
Most drum suits offer multichannel output so you can set kick, snare etc to go to bus 1, 2 etc in your DAW.
From there you'd set up new tracks in your daw with those buses as the inputs.

This video, although I haven't finished watching it, seems to be on those lines.


Keep in mind ezdrummer lets you do volume, pan, eq, comp etc per channel so you may not need to do the above.
 
You don't need to bounce them to audio.

When you first add EZDrummer to a track, it ask you if you want to Build the tracks and routing. Say Yes. That gives you a track in your mixer for every track in EZD's mixer.

then in EZD's Mixer screen, Right Click on any of the track numbers along the bottom and Click Multichannel. This will then route all the output of those tracks to the tracks in Studio One. (I use reaper but it's the same thing)

Then you can mix the drums in your normal screen with the rest of your instruments.

I think that's what you mean anyway, I may of read it wrong. If I'm on the wrong track, ignore me.

You can also change parts of your drum kits, make your own presets, etc and save them.

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Steenamaroo said:
Keep in mind ezdrummer lets you do volume, pan, eq, comp etc per channel so you may not need to do the above.
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It does, but for workflow, it's much easier to have it routed to separate tracks. :thumbs up:
 
Mr Clean's got the best solution, assuming you can do that in Sonar as easily as Reaper. Create a template for the routing (or save a basic song project) so you can call it up whenever you are going to use EZD2 in a song, that way you don't have to recreate the routing each time.
 
RTFM noob... :RTFM::D

When you put the thing onto a MIDI track it should do this almost by default... SSD4 & Addictive and Pianoteq and every other complex VSTi I've seen will default to maximum multitrack mode.
 
Armistice said:
RTFM noob... :RTFM::D

When you put the thing onto a MIDI track it should do this almost by default... SSD4 & Addictive and Pianoteq and every other complex VSTi I've seen will default to maximum multitrack mode.
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Maybe it's DAW dependent. SSD and AD default to stereo mix down for me with PT.
 
It does depend upon the DAW and it's particular setup.

For instance, with a LE version of Cubase there is not even the possibility of using multiple outs from A VSTi. With a full version, you still need to setup the VSTi to export its own outputs to separate tracks within Cubase. Only a few clicks, but a certain order of them is necessary. :)

Default is just stereo output from EZD, SSD, and Addictive in Cubase.
 
Steenamaroo said:
Maybe it's DAW dependent. SSD and AD default to stereo mix down for me with PT.
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Well that's interesting! I would have thought the VSTi would control its deployment into the DAW.

Actually I'm not so sure about AD now... pretty sure it creates the tracks if you take the obvious path but then I have to click each drum to send it to said track. Haven't used it for a while. And I haven't worked out what Pianoteq would do with 5 tracks it tries to set up by default. Must have a fiddle... so to speak...
 
All of this assumes that it's the sound/mix of the individual drums (actually mics) that you want to change, and not the timing. That's kind of a different deal.
 
Right enough.
If you want to alter the actual patterns you just alter the midi notation. :)
 
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Mr Clean said:
You don't need to bounce them to audio.

When you first add EZDrummer to a track, it ask you if you want to Build the tracks and routing. Say Yes. That gives you a track in your mixer for every track in EZD's mixer.

then in EZD's Mixer screen, Right Click on any of the track numbers along the bottom and Click Multichannel. This will then route all the output of those tracks to the tracks in Studio One. (I use reaper but it's the same thing)

Then you can mix the drums in your normal screen with the rest of your instruments.

I think that's what you mean anyway, I may of read it wrong. If I'm on the wrong track, ignore me.

You can also change parts of your drum kits, make your own presets, etc and save them.

:thumbs up:

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It does, but for workflow, it's much easier to have it routed to separate tracks. :thumbs up:
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Thanks for the advice, that really helps clear things up for me. I'll give it a go over the weekend. Tonight we be jammin' :)

ashcat_lt said:
All of this assumes that it's the sound/mix of the individual drums (actually mics) that you want to change, and not the timing. That's kind of a different deal.
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Ya I know a bit about changing the timing, but I'm still too early in the game to worry about programming my own drums, so for now I'm just trying to find loops that have the general feel I'm after then making some minor changes to have it sit in the mix better.

Steenamaroo said:
Right enough.
If you want to alter the actual patterns you just alter the midi notation. :)
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Still banned :)

Just kidding, thanks for that video, my friend!
 
calimoose said:
but I'm still too early in the game to worry about programming my own drums
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Never too early. Loops are interesting starting points but do go in and make some changes to each copy of the loop in your song - it'll sound way better..

And listen to real good drummers and hear what they're doing...
 
Armistice said:
And listen to real good drummers and hear what they're doing...
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I prefer playing with real drummers :)

My buddy back in California and I were always in synch with every jam, it really helped me play and produce ideas that were ahead of my ability. We were greater than the sum of our parts. Sucks not having a drummer like that to play with here in Paris.

Anyone wanna come to Paris for a quick jam? :D

In all seriousness, making small changes to each copy of the loop is easy enough to do and is pretty common knowledge so I'll make sure to give it a shot, thanks dude
 
Not to derail my own thread, but regarding listening to drummers, I've been doing that more lately, and there are some songs I don't like much but now that I'm listening specifically to the drums they just blow my mind.

Case in point, yesterday I was walking and listening to some tunes, and RHCP's "Around the World" came on. I love RHCP, but this isn't one of my favorite of their songs. The drums are so fucking awesome and mixed to perfection :) (listen to the official copy)
 
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