The New Tone Thread

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Greg_L said:
This amp pisses me off because it's $2400 new, and it doesn't need to be. It's such a basic primitive amp that they already fucking know how to make, so why does it have to cost $2400? Pisses me right the fuck off. They sound great, pretty much exactly like the originals to my ears, and they also have an effects loop. I'd happily buy one of these off the used market, but not for no original model price.

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there's possibly 500 dollars worth of parts in there ...... 2400 is a stupid price.
Hell ..... my Mark V is complicated as hell and it's slightly less than that.
 
Lt. Bob said:
see ..... this is exactly why I drink and take drugs ........ I'm never sick ..................... or if I am I don't know about it!
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LOL...I used to do that shit Bob, not anymore though....I usually never get down like this, but I swear this shit's kickin' my ass man, I've got about 30 mins to get it together & head out the door too...Should be an interesting night at work, I'm already a hateful fucker when I feel good, I can only imagine how much of a bastard I'm gonna be tonight...LOL...

The prices on all gear is stupid crazy man, like you mentioned, about $500 in parts, & they mark it up to $2400??? Fuckin' rip-off if you ask me....I know that's how these companies make their money, but sheez....

Almost forgot, one of the tube guru's in the Marshall forum is gonna try to help me put a little re-tube together for my DSL-1, I talked to him about the old stock tubes I have (told him the stock tubes that came in the amp sound as good/better), & he's gonna try to help me out with some different glass....I know the differences are really subtle, & most guys here don't really give a shit about tubes like that, but I'm gonna try & see if I can get a few different tubes for some different tones...IE: maybe a lower-gain tube to tame the gain in the red channel a bit, to make it more like an 800...right now, anything over "5" on the gain knob turns the sound to mush basically, really un-defined sounding...I want some clarity with my od sounds, & a more useable range on the gain knob....We'll see I suppose, but as usual, I'm a broke fucker so it's gonna be a week or two before I'll be able to do anything like that....Whenever I get this little house paid off, I'll have a little extra $$$, but right now, I'm pluggin' away getting it paid off....If nothing happens, I'll have this place paid off about 3 1/2 years early....I'm still waiting for some info & clips on the modded DSL-1 too, but probably not gonna mess with mine, as I'm afraid I'd fuck it up & have to send it off for repairs...LOL....

Another thing that's had me down all 'round, is I've had to put my whole life on hold for the past year & 1/2 because of my Dad, but things are getting back to as close to normal as they're gonna be (it'll never be the same though), I'm not complaining, as I'd do it all over again for the old man, just sayin' that everything's changed around here since July 2012....Sure miss him, but I know he's better off, & the man lying in the bed that couldn't even talk wasn't my Dad, so it's gonna be ok....eventually....

Back to the fake drums for about 30 mins, then off to work....Wish me luck...LOL....
 
jonny deep said:
Thanks for the details! I'll know what to look for next time. $2,400 is a crazy price. They're going for £1,260 over here brand new at the moment, which is around $2,100. They're supposed to be £1,559, which is $2,600!!!
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Man seriously, if you were to get big 800, or even a JMP era 2203/2204, just remember these two simple things.....first thing.....6 knobs. Any 800 with more than 6 knobs anywhere has been modded or it's one of the two-channel 2205/2210s. It's common for people to add an extra gain knob in the low input spot. Sometimes people will add a PPIMV on the back, which is totally pointless to me on these amps. Pass on that unless you hear it and just have to have it. One of the beautiful things about the 2203/2204 circuit is they take overdrive pedals like a champ. Leave the amp alone and slam the front end with a clean boost. It will get hairier than a Poison record and sound great doing it. Next thing, vertical inputs are the early models, horizontal are the later. Either early or late would be good, but don't pay early prices for a later amp. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it!
 
Lt. Bob said:
there's possibly 500 dollars worth of parts in there ...... 2400 is a stupid price.
Hell ..... my Mark V is complicated as hell and it's slightly less than that.
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Right? It's the same with the Plexi reissue. I got mine used and didn't pay a ton for it, so I'm cool with it. But neither the 800 or Plexi reissue has to cost 2400 bucks. Like you said, your Mark V is a ton more complicated and less money. You know what else is way more complicated? My JVM410. That thing is like NASA mission control compared to an 800 or Super Lead circuit, but it's the same price. Dumb.
 
minerman said:
LOL...I used to do that shit Bob, not anymore though....I usually never get down like this, but I swear this shit's kickin' my ass man, I've got about 30 mins to get it together & head out the door too...Should be an interesting night at work, I'm already a hateful fucker when I feel good, I can only imagine how much of a bastard I'm gonna be tonight...LOL...

The prices on all gear is stupid crazy man, like you mentioned, about $500 in parts, & they mark it up to $2400??? Fuckin' rip-off if you ask me....I know that's how these companies make their money, but sheez....

Almost forgot, one of the tube guru's in the Marshall forum is gonna try to help me put a little re-tube together for my DSL-1, I talked to him about the old stock tubes I have (told him the stock tubes that came in the amp sound as good/better), & he's gonna try to help me out with some different glass....I know the differences are really subtle, & most guys here don't really give a shit about tubes like that, but I'm gonna try & see if I can get a few different tubes for some different tones...IE: maybe a lower-gain tube to tame the gain in the red channel a bit, to make it more like an 800...right now, anything over "5" on the gain knob turns the sound to mush basically, really un-defined sounding...I want some clarity with my od sounds, & a more useable range on the gain knob....We'll see I suppose, but as usual, I'm a broke fucker so it's gonna be a week or two before I'll be able to do anything like that....Whenever I get this little house paid off, I'll have a little extra $$$, but right now, I'm pluggin' away getting it paid off....If nothing happens, I'll have this place paid off about 3 1/2 years early....I'm still waiting for some info & clips on the modded DSL-1 too, but probably not gonna mess with mine, as I'm afraid I'd fuck it up & have to send it off for repairs...LOL....

Another thing that's had me down all 'round, is I've had to put my whole life on hold for the past year & 1/2 because of my Dad, but things are getting back to as close to normal as they're gonna be (it'll never be the same though), I'm not complaining, as I'd do it all over again for the old man, just sayin' that everything's changed around here since July 2012....Sure miss him, but I know he's better off, & the man lying in the bed that couldn't even talk wasn't my Dad, so it's gonna be ok....eventually....

Back to the fake drums for about 30 mins, then off to work....Wish me luck...LOL....
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Man, you know what would be definitely be cheaper and probably better for your amp than tube swapping? Just mod it yourself. The JVM guys routinely mod their amps for less gain, and it makes the amp breathe more, sound more open, more usable gain range, etc. With the DSL being a preamp based design, it might be the same way. The problem with swapping tubes to a lower gain rating is that the amp probably uses half the tube for one thing, and the other half for something else. Switching brands of 12AX7s is one thing, going from a 12AX7 to a 12 AT or AU is a big difference that you may not like. You can probably mod just that gain stage to get you the range you want without fucking up anything else. It might be as simple as swapping a resistor. I don't know for sure, I'm just guessing. A resistor costs pennies and the mod will only cost you some time and maybe a little solder. Look into it.
 
Greg_L said:
Man, you know what would be definitely be cheaper and probably better for your amp than tube swapping? Just mod it yourself. The JVM guys routinely mod their amps for less gain, and it makes the amp breathe more, sound more open, more usable gain range, etc. With the DSL being a preamp based design, it might be the same way. The problem with swapping tubes to a lower gain rating is that the amp probably uses half the tube for one thing, and the other half for something else. Switching brands of 12AX7s is one thing, going from a 12AX7 to a 12 AT or AU is a big difference that you may not like. You can probably mod just that gain stage to get you the range you want without fucking up anything else. It might be as simple as swapping a resistor. I don't know for sure, I'm just guessing. A resistor costs pennies and the mod will only cost you some time and maybe a little solder. Look into it.
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The mod I found for the jvm1 is like that, you just piggy back a resistor over an existing one and it cuts the gain to a useable sweep.
 
Greg_L said:
Man, you know what would be definitely be cheaper and probably better for your amp than tube swapping? Just mod it yourself. The JVM guys routinely mod their amps for less gain, and it makes the amp breathe more, sound more open, more usable gain range, etc. With the DSL being a preamp based design, it might be the same way. The problem with swapping tubes to a lower gain rating is that the amp probably uses half the tube for one thing, and the other half for something else. Switching brands of 12AX7s is one thing, going from a 12AX7 to a 12 AT or AU is a big difference that you may not like. You can probably mod just that gain stage to get you the range you want without fucking up anything else. It might be as simple as swapping a resistor. I don't know for sure, I'm just guessing. A resistor costs pennies and the mod will only cost you some time and maybe a little solder. Look into it.
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As ya'll know , I'm not a big fan of tube-rolling. The differences are just about all way overblown. It can get quite expensive to end up with relatively minor differences plus, as Greg points out, it's pretty common to use a tube for two different things, the second of which you might not want a different tube.

VERY many mods are simple as hell ...... I'll frequently see people say that they couldn't possibly do a mod because they're not electronic techs.
My response is, "Can you fix a micro-wave dinner?" .... lol ..... if you can follow those instructions then you can do a mod. The only thing you want to practice is soldering and big freakin' deal. Get some wire and a soldering iron and solder it all up ....... there, now you know how to solder!
:D

The MODS are all step by step with pictures saying solder it HERE! :D How can you go wrong?
 
I've looked into modding the little amp, but I really can't find much info about it online to be honest...I read the entire JVM-1 mod thread several times, but don't know if it'd apply to my DSL-1....From what I can find, the DSL-1 is exactly the same pre-amp circuit as the 50/100 watters, but, I don't know for sure...The link I posted a month or so ago in the Marshall Roadhouse, I'm still waiting for the guy to reply with more info, pics, & possibly sound clips...Don't know if that'll ever happen or not though...You guys are right though, a simple resistor strapped over an existing one may just do what I'm after, & if so, it'd be easily removed/reversed if need be...I really don't plan on selling the little amp, but I don't wanna fuck my warranty either (5 years....had the little thing almost a year now...)...I'm gonna do some more digging & see what I can come up with...If it's possible, & is actually worth it, I'd like to do the same thing the guy in the Roadhouse did, but I'd have to have a lot of info...(he modded his to be like the 50/100 watters, with the od1/od2 red channel, & clean/crunch green channel), that would be the best of both worlds, but, the big amps depend on the big power tubes for a lot of their sound too, so I really don't know....

If any of you find any info anywhere, gimme a yell & let me know/post a link....

I didn't try to kill anybody tonight, seems everybody did miss me a lot though, those motherfuckers know where the production comes from, even the section foreman & superintendent know who puts the coal out for 'em...:D.

Time for a shower guys, again, if any of you find anything about my little amp, lemme know...

The Marshall Roadhouse

This is the link, if anyone can get anything out of it, it's all jibberish to me...LOL
 
minerman said:
JVM Forum • View topic - Low Gain mod for JVM1 50th Anniversary?

Here's the one Jonny was talking about, dunno if my DSL-1 would be like this or not, but if so, looks really simple to do....
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That's the problem with the DSL-1 - or any brand new model amp - there probably just isn't much info yet. Keep researching and asking questions. Someone somewhere will know how to read a DSL-1 schematic and be able to tell you which component values to change. It's probably very similar to the JVM circuit and you'd just need to piggyback a resistor.
 
BTW johnnydeep!

I forgot one more JCM 800 to tell you about....lol...

The JCM 800 1987/1959. 50/100 watt respectively. These are non master volume Super Leads in JCM 800 clothing. They look like 800s, modern head cab, full width chassis, larger script logo, etc, but they are actually the same ol 4 input Super Leads Marshall always made. They're pretty rare and pretty cool, but they are not the 800 sound, they're basically the same as the 70s metal face Super Leads.

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Greg_L said:
If you get one, also buy some ear plugs. :D
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Haha - that's not going to happen any time soon. Unless a great deal pops up that's too hard to turn down, of course. I've seen some Marshall 4x12 cabs for £150 today, which seems rather cheap.
 
jonny deep said:
Haha - that's not going to happen any time soon. Unless a great deal pops up that's too hard to turn down, of course. I've seen some Marshall 4x12 cabs for £150 today, which seems rather cheap.
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Also, someone is selling a 2nd hand 2203 reissue for £800 that seems to be in perfect condition.
 
jonny deep said:
Haha - that's not going to happen any time soon. Unless a great deal pops up that's too hard to turn down, of course. I've seen some Marshall 4x12 cabs for £150 today, which seems rather cheap.
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That is really cheap if they're the good cabs. Like everything else, not all 4x12 cabs are created equal.

jonny deep said:
Also, someone is selling a 2nd hand 2203 reissue for £800 that seems to be in perfect condition.
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I'm having to convert everything you type to US $$$ lol. 800 pounds is about $1300 US. I guess that's not bad if it is indeed mint. Over here in the colonies, it is possible to find original 800s for that price. For me, dollar for dollar, I'd rather have an original model with the older/original components. I'm not too wrapped up with specific resistors and capacitors, but all that old stuff does add up to the overall sound. But man, if you can talk him down, a mint 2203 reissue for less would be a sweet deal.
 
Greg_L said:
That is really cheap if they're the good cabs. Like everything else, not all 4x12 cabs are created equal.


I'm having to convert everything you type to US $$$ lol. 800 pounds is about $1300 US. I guess that's not bad if it is indeed mint. Over here in the colonies, it is possible to find original 800s for that price. For me, dollar for dollar, I'd rather have an original model with the older/original components. I'm not too wrapped up with specific resistors and capacitors, but all that old stuff does add up to the overall sound. But man, if you can talk him down, a mint 2203 reissue for less would be a sweet deal.
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He says he's got someone coming to buy it at the weekend, but he'll let me know if they pass on it. It's too far away for me to just pop to look at it, though.
 
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