The New Tone Thread

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Greg: Got those tracks/files dude, thanks a bunch....Just so you know, I wasn't trying to hurry you or anything, I was just reminding you if/when you got around to it....I really appreciate it dude.....FWIW, I've got about 100 snares that sound exactly like yours dude....:facepalm:...They'll definitely come in handy for my fake ass drums....I might get around to uploading a couple songs for you to "approve", but again, might not.....I think I've been over-processing the fuck out of my drum samples now, they're already processed a little, we'll see I suppose...Thanks again dude!!!!

Bob: Dunno dude, the way I work the only time I could really go would be the week of the 4th, & it ain't looking good at work....They laid of 5-6 guys today, a couple of 'em had worked for 'em for over 10 years....But, they're weeding out the deadbeats & dope heads....All of 'em that got the axe today were either, or both....The superintendent also told us today, if we don't get "X" amount of coal per shift, there's gonna be 5-6 more that get the axe too....So, it ain't looking good, & the bad part is there are no jobs around here now, due to the coal recession/slump....I might get to draw my unemployment for a year, plus work little shit odd jobs on the side, dunno....It'd be hard to pay all our bills on that....Keep your fingers crossed for me....

Gonna grab a shower guys, the week off has fuckin' killed me...LOL...
 
I'm not too familiar with drum samples, but the one's I am familiar with seem to be already processed to hell and back. It seems to be pretty common for someone to dial up a drum program, program a track, and then process the dogshit out of the already heavily processed samples. That aint never a good thing.
 
Fuck it, I shouldn't be doing this because my head and ears are still clogged with slime, but here's some playing around with mics, positions, and blend.

What I done was stuck a 57 smack dab in the middle of a Greenback, backed it off about one inch, and tilted it about 30 deg off axis. Then I stuck an Audix i5 on the cone just outside the dustcap, on axis, like I usually do. Backed it off also about an inch to get in phase with the 57. Plugged in the LP, fired up the Plexi, and ran through some Stooges riffs.

So here's some shit.
Les Paul Traditional Burstbucker 3 bridge p/u
Marshall Plexi 1959 S.L.P. - Super Loud Plexi
Presence - 2
Bass - 6
Mid - 7
Treb - 3
Inputs jumped
Vol 1 - 4
Vol 2 - 3
1960a Greenback SM57 center off axis 1" off grill, i5 cone on axis 1" off grill
No EQ in DAW

57 ctr off axis
i5 cone on axis
57 100% + i5 50%
i5 100% + 57 50%
57 100% + i5 100%

I can't really tell because I can't hear, but I think I like the blends. What do yall think?
 
A good bass amp is a good thing to have as some double for guitar really well.
I had a 70's Fender Bassman to play with for a while in about 86. It sounded great on bass and guitar.
 
Well, they all sound good to me Greg, I like the i5 on it's own the best though...it's got more "meat" to the sound...Second pick is both mics blended at 100%...& either of the 100/50%'ers in any order for me....Maybe try the i5 @ 75% & the '57 @ 25%, the i5 for the "meat", & the '57 for the bite....I really couldn't tell a lot of difference in the 50/100 blended clips, but my hearing's fucked tonight, my ears are still ringing from the noise at work...I'll listen tomorrow through my monitors & let you know if I change my mind...

I think I'm gonna have to get an i5, that mic on it's own sounds really good, & blended with the '57 is good too...

Might post up some of my shit tones tomorrow, depends on how much drum programming I get done before work....LOL...

Hang in there Greg, the flu/cold will go away before long & you'll be back to your normal/regular self...

I do love the way the plexi sounds recorded man, you're killing me over here....For me, that's "the" amp....maybe one day I'll get one, maybe a low-watt clone or something to hold me off until then...you're killin' me....:)
 
minerman said:
Well, they all sound good to me Greg, I like the i5 on it's own the best though...it's got more "meat" to the sound...Second pick is both mics blended at 100%...& either of the 100/50%'ers in any order for me....Maybe try the i5 @ 75% & the '57 @ 25%, the i5 for the "meat", & the '57 for the bite....I really couldn't tell a lot of difference in the 50/100 blended clips, but my hearing's fucked tonight, my ears are still ringing from the noise at work...I'll listen tomorrow through my monitors & let you know if I change my mind...

I think I'm gonna have to get an i5, that mic on it's own sounds really good, & blended with the '57 is good too...

Might post up some of my shit tones tomorrow, depends on how much drum programming I get done before work....LOL...

Hang in there Greg, the flu/cold will go away before long & you'll be back to your normal/regular self...

I do love the way the plexi sounds recorded man, you're killing me over here....For me, that's "the" amp....maybe one day I'll get one, maybe a low-watt clone or something to hold me off until then...you're killin' me....:)
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Thanks dude. I really can't hear the nuances between the clips too much right now. I'm getting better but my hearing is still a little wooshy. I get the impression my 57 centered off axis is really bright. I'm gonna try some more. The 57 and i5 are really similar. I might try a blend with the e609. That mic has a really different character. These amps are so loud I'm just trying to really get a handle on proximity effect. I don't always like the low end build up of the mic smashed on the grill. Hell I'll re-test all my mics, fuck it. I'm not doing anything else right now but watching the olympics and burning up my tubes. I need to set up these fucking drums. I need to. I've got like 6 of my own songs to track and 3 or 4 for other people. I've got so much drumming to do right now. :eek:
 
rayc said:
A good bass amp is a good thing to have as some double for guitar really well.
I had a 70's Fender Bassman to play with for a while in about 86. It sounded great on bass and guitar.
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Hell, a Bassman would be badass, but I don't wanna spend that much on a bass rig.

Lt. Bob said:
for what usage?
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Just recording. Like before with guitar amps, I'm tired of using other people's stuff and I don't wanna record direct bass. I want character. I might just get a bass cab. I've considered it before, just getting like a 2x10 cab and running my bass through one of my Marshalls. My worry is going overboard like I've done with guitar amps. Sometimes I can't help myself.
 
Greg_L said:
Just recording. Like before with guitar amps, I'm tired of using other people's stuff and I don't wanna record direct bass. I want character. I might just get a bass cab. I've considered it before, just getting like a 2x10 cab and running my bass through one of my Marshalls. My worry is going overboard like I've done with guitar amps. Sometimes I can't help myself.
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well ............... I like my little 2x10 rig though it's usually not enough to keep up with a drummer unless he's pretty soft but for recording it's fine.

However ...... I must point out that you consistently have excellent bass sounds on your recordings with whatever you've been using.

Also ..... at low volumes there's absolutely no reason you couldn't just use one of your 4x12 cabs.
 
Lt. Bob said:
well ............... I like my little 2x10 rig though it's usually not enough to keep up with a drummer unless he's pretty soft but for recording it's fine.

However ...... I must point out that you consistently have excellent bass sounds on your recordings with whatever you've been using.

Also ..... at low volumes there's absolutely no reason you couldn't just use one of your 4x12 cabs.
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Thanks man. I think I just get lucky on bass. I've used a bunch of different shit. Maybe it's just my bass sounds the same through everything. It's just a cheap ol junky Squier P-Bass.

You're probably right I could just use one of the cabs without the Greenbacks in it. I definitely don't wanna push bass through those things. I'll give it a try on my next tune. I do like a little grit and grime in my bass tone usually. My JMP 50 is a pretty bassy amp too. I'll give that a try.
 
Greg_L said:
Thanks man. I think I just get lucky on bass. I've used a bunch of different shit. Maybe it's just my bass sounds the same through everything. It's just a cheap ol junky Squier P-Bass.

You're probably right I could just use one of the cabs without the Greenbacks in it. I definitely don't wanna push bass through those things. I'll give it a try on my next tune. I do like a little grit and grime in my bass tone usually. My JMP 50 is a pretty bassy amp too. I'll give that a try.
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I actually record bass pretty often thru a POS Marshall MG-15 with an 8" speaker! Obviously I could blow that speaker in a second if I turned it up but I've done it for years with no problem because I'm not a dumbass. :D

You are also not a dumbass so I doubt you would damage the speakers EXCEPT ..... if you like a little grit that would imply turning the amp up and as soon as you start talking much volume (which you're gonna have if you turn the amp up) I'd be wary of running bass thru those cabs. Personally I'd only do it at very low volumes.
If you want to be safe just get a 2x10 cab or perhaps a 1x12. They're not much ...... if you look around you could prolly find a Hartke or GK cab for a couple hundred bucks.
 
Hmmm, well the JVM has a shit ton of preamp gain at low volume if I want it, so maybe that would be the better amp to use. It also has an effects loop. I can throw my EQ pedal in there to fine tune if need be. I'll give it a try with my #3 cab. That's my most beat up, stays in the garage, gets used only for band practice cab. It's got four G12T-75s in it. They're fairly tough and I've got spares so that will be the guinea pig.
 
Greg_L said:
Hmmm, well the JVM has a shit ton of preamp gain at low volume if I want it, so maybe that would be the better amp to use. It also has an effects loop. I can throw my EQ pedal in there to fine tune if need be. I'll give it a try with my #3 cab. That's my most beat up, stays in the garage, gets used only for band practice cab. It's got four G12T-75s in it. They're fairly tough and I've got spares so that will be the guinea pig.
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you're gonna be surprised at how good a bass sound you can record with that.
 
Do you guys close mic'ing like you would a guitar track??? I've fucked around with my bass through the DSL-1 & Greenback, & it sounded ok, but my limited mic & speaker choice may not be worth the trouble for me (3 different speakers: Greenback, V30, T-75 & 3 different mics: '57, Samson & Behringer condensors)....Direct/ampsim/modeler is all I've ever done on my bass.....My bass is a pos too, I bought it at a pawn shop about 4-5 years ago, it's a Carlo Robelli 4 string....While it sounds ok, it's still a cheap piece of shit....Lemme know about how you guys mic your bass tracks, may be something else for me to dabble with...The Gerg's got me on a mission with my fake drums, so maybe I can just re-think/change the way I've been doing everything in my songs....I've already made the switch to real amps, & feel pretty comfortable with my tones (finally...thanks guys :)), & I'm working on getting my drum sounds sorted, so In short, I wanna get better at all this shit....

Here's a pic of my crap-tacular bass:






FWIW, I paid like $75 for this thing when I first started recording, it's the only bass I've ever had...LOL...I saw a decent Squire Jazz bass at the local guitar shop a few months ago, & I actually thought about trading mine off & adding some $$$ for it....I'm sure it'd be an improvement....

Lemme know what/how you guys do your bass tracks, & again, it may not be worth the trouble for me, as it'd pretty much have to be low volume here...
 
I've always mic'd a bass cab like it's a guitar cab. It's worked okay for me. I don't do anything differently. It's a speaker moving air. I typically don't go for low thumping bass tones though. I'm a more midrange aggressive bass sound guy.
 
Cool Greg, guess I'll just have to give it a whirl...FWIW, I did some messing around with my bass > DSL's clean channel, & it was ok, guess like anything else, needs practice to be worth a fuck at it....

I'm in between with my bass tones, sometimes I like a "thumping" low end with some clarity on the highs, & sometimes I like to mix some dirt in on my bass...The dirt does help blend it with the guitars, but I don't use a lot, just enough to make it not sound totally clean....

Might do some fucking around after I've had a shower & something to eat...The week's kicking my ass guys, laid around all week last week, & I'm paying for it now...LOL....That's ok though, I brought home about the same for laying on my ass last week as I would actually busting ass & working, so it's a win/win when I get a chance to do that....:thumbs up:
 
Here ya go minerman, some early VH-ish sound maybe? Short little clip. I don't know, you know I'm not a VH kind of fella. I guess it's kind of close maybe? I did this with the Plexi almost cranked, but I had the PPIMV pretty low. This was maybe like jamming a stereo at home loud. Louder than watching TV, but not loud enough to get the cops called or not loud enough to jam with a band or do a gig. I guess the MV was like 25-30%.

Les Paul Traditional Burstbucker 3 bridge
Marshall Plexi - High input 1 - not jumped
Pres - 2
Bass - 0
Mid - 10
Treb - 10
Vol - 8.5
PPIMV - 25-30%
1960a Greenback, Audix i5 on axis 1" off grill at dustcap/cone
Boss BF3 Flanger add at end
Little bit o reverb added in DAW
No EQ

unskilled!
 
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