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Greg_L
Banned
Gay.
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
well .... it works but virtually every drumber I've ever talked to really hates the way they play or 'feel'.
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moresound
Loud Sun Studios
I've witnessed both many times live. Sim drums are good for what your saying here,David. But they seem sterile compared to acoustic drums.
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moresound
Loud Sun Studios
True that,Steve. I forgot about that factor.
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Greg_L
Banned
You might as well play tupperware containers with triggers attached.
miroslav
Cosmic Cowboy
Yeah, there's bands that put everything through the PA. This one guy on another forum use to talk about how when he was doing gigs, no one was allowed to have any amps on stage or any kind of stage amplifictaion....everything was DI/sim/electronic and fed through the PA and controlled by the soundguy.
I guess you can make that work and sound fine....but at that point, why not just give the soundguy one of your CDs to play if it's THAT critical that every tone, every lick, every move, every night be 100% controlled and identical.
For me, that would take most of the "live" performance out of it, even if everyone is still there playing.
At that point you might as well be doing a Broadway show....
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
yeah ..... I hate that sound ..... I want some of the sounds to come from different spots on stage. And that's part of the problem with electronic drumbs ...... it doesn't seem 'live' to have the drumber hit the snare and the sound comes from 45 feet away.
Also ....... good luck telling me what I'm 'allowed' ..... unless you're paying me good money in which case I'm the 'virtual kid'!
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moresound
Loud Sun Studios
fireflyva
New member
I leave a week and this thread is still alive! I don't want to miss out! This may be the thread that never dies!
I've played for more years than "some of you have been alive," not that it means anything but I thought I'd throw it in there for street cred, and I've run into these guys playing these old tube amps in sh*tholes across the South. These guys could make their guitars sound amazing. I saw this one guy playing an old Epiphone partially held together with duck tape in this little town about 50 miles south of Memphis 30 years ago through an old console TV up on stage with speakers suspended by what looked like bungy cords, and this guys was f*cking amazing! Talk about tone!
Anyway, the point is, I think this guy and guys like him would sound freaking amazing playing through sims or a Marshall stack or 50 watt combo or solid state amplifier because they can play. They can actually play. They understand what makes tone and they know what they want coming out of the speaker. Maybe it simply comes down to that. Just a thought. I miss those old console TV guitar amps.
I've played for more years than "some of you have been alive," not that it means anything but I thought I'd throw it in there for street cred, and I've run into these guys playing these old tube amps in sh*tholes across the South. These guys could make their guitars sound amazing. I saw this one guy playing an old Epiphone partially held together with duck tape in this little town about 50 miles south of Memphis 30 years ago through an old console TV up on stage with speakers suspended by what looked like bungy cords, and this guys was f*cking amazing! Talk about tone!
Anyway, the point is, I think this guy and guys like him would sound freaking amazing playing through sims or a Marshall stack or 50 watt combo or solid state amplifier because they can play. They can actually play. They understand what makes tone and they know what they want coming out of the speaker. Maybe it simply comes down to that. Just a thought. I miss those old console TV guitar amps.
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Harald12
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I use PODHD 500 and that you can plug right into the PA and even Digitech death metal (stompbox) has an output for mixer with cabinet simulation (and one for amp). I also use Jamstix (a drum program that can (AI) jam with you). My Digitech GSP 1101 i have to carry with me plus amp (line 6 modelling amp spider 4 or Marshall Class 5) plus Control 2. With my stompboxes BOSS PW-10, BOSS CE-2 Chorus and BOSS DD-7 Digital Delay (that i use together) i just have to carry an amp (some of the above named). BOSS GT-10 also needs an amp. But amplitube or any other amp/cabinet/effects emulation on the computer (for electric guitar) i have not tried yet, but it may be a time for that to.
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Greg_L
Banned
I have a guitar that I plug into an amp!
calimoose
New member
Amazing how that works lol.
I myself prefer hunking around live gear and standing in front of an amp that I can immediately feel, manipulate and control, letting the sound completely annihilate me.
With that said, for songwriting and idea-generating purposes, I couldn't live without virtual amps. I mean, I've written music random ass places like airports where using what I call a REAL amp just wouldn't be possible. And because of that, I've been able to make sure that NONE of my horrible music is forgotten!
I for one am extremely happy virtual amps exist.
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ianopie
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Well recently my band recorded an LP, and we used many guitars (Ibanez RG with Blackouts, Mayones hand made 7-string guitars, Epiphone Gothic Explorer, LTD EC-1000 with EMG 81 - 85 etc.), with the amps we used a Engl Invader, a Peavey 5150 II or Guitar Rig 5, depending on the song of the LP (it is not released yet). Guess what: many good guitarrist (with good analog sound) that I know, were completely wrong, trying to guess the combination of sound of each song.
So I think that with today standarts, you can get a good sound, either being digital or analog etc.
So I think that with today standarts, you can get a good sound, either being digital or analog etc.
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Greg_L
Banned
That's all very wonderful, but no one disputed that you could get a good recording with sims. This clusterfuck was mainly about using sims live vs real amps.
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Greg_L
Banned
See I would argue that shit mall-metal bands like that never sound good regardless of the equipment used.
miroslav
Cosmic Cowboy
Sure....you can bury all kinds of crap in a mix and no one will notice.
Try taking just the guitar tracks, and listen to them one at a time....especially if you are doing any kind of crunch/distortion with them.....to my ears, the sim distortion always stands out. Now, you may not notice it right away, but listen to it for awhile and then your ears will focus in on the homogenized sameness of the sim sounds.
Now that may not mean jack shit to most people....and they look at it from the point of the sims getting mixed well within a song, and how no one will be able to tell the difference....and I get that, and I can accept the idea of using whatever you have available and making the best of it and making it work for you....I mean THAT is what recording is about, right?
That said...it's a personal thing, like being annoyed by some song or some commercial or the sound of your best friend's girlfriend's voice every time she speaks....but it is what it is, and for me, the naked sound of sims (mostly when doing crunch/distortion) just tends to stick in my ear, and once I've locked into it, there's no hiding it in the mix or under the carpet or out in the garage somewhere. That shit is just THERE....and I can't shake it off enough to embrace using it.
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
I will +1 this post with complete conviction.
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ianopie
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Starting again, I'm not pro-real amp or pro-simulator, and fortunate in my recording place I have many valve amps (although they are really not mine), but also I can't deny the power of the GR5, although I pretty much understand your point of view. Like you said, when recording it's best to see every situation and use what is best. In live situations, for guitarists of 6 or 7 strings, I prefer a real amp, but the for example with 8 (where many amps struggles to deliver a clean F#, and In many cases if forms a snow ball on the 200 Hz range), the thing is different. The only band with a decent 8 string sound from a real amp, I've heard so far is Deftones (all the rest use digital stuff live).
Lke I said before, I understand your point of view, and in a another way, it happens the same thing to me, but with drums: I can't stand hearing music with programmed drums, or played thru EZDrummer, Superior or Addictive , I mean, I can hear it but I can't respect that music in the same way, as if a drummer would have played it in a real drum without any triggers. Even so, I know the power of those tools.
Lke I said before, I understand your point of view, and in a another way, it happens the same thing to me, but with drums: I can't stand hearing music with programmed drums, or played thru EZDrummer, Superior or Addictive , I mean, I can hear it but I can't respect that music in the same way, as if a drummer would have played it in a real drum without any triggers. Even so, I know the power of those tools.