US Recording Media: Seriously? LOL

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Yes...I picked up a lot of 1/2" NOS 911 b y the case for around 2004-2006 for like $30-ish/reel from one place down in Texas.
The sales guy actually called me a couple of times asking if I wanted more and was giving a nice deal if I wanted like 10 cases.
I wish I had...I could make a nice profit today...but I just didn't need that much tape piled up.
 
Im a 499 exclusively user. NOS Ampex at that, although I will except Quantegy. I like the way it sounds, and it has never let me down.
I agree with location having a bunch to do with availability. Southern California is a great place to be for tape. To this day studios are still liquidating storage units with all kinds of good stuff in them. I believe I have truly acquired more 2" 499 than I can use in my lifetime. Im close with the 1/4". Just got a case from another member right here on this forum. Its not hard to find
 
This is true - I'm just worried the message you're sending to 'the market' is that tape isn't a viable business proposition and that there is no market for any.

That and the attitude feels uncomfortably like "I'm fine - screw you guys!" :P

Oh heck no... it's just the opposite. I'm saying tape manufacturers and tape vendors are screwing you guys and I refuse to be screwed!

Most of the time I've bee a member on this forum I was a highly paid network consultant, but I would often spend more time on here for free sharing info on tape... what to avoid, what to get and where to get it. How does that sound like a guy who is saying screw you guys? Seriously? :)

I'm not saying tape isn't a viable business; I'm saying current tape companies are doing more to hurt that business and potentially permanently break it for the future. These prices have caused many more people to jump ship than would have if costs were more doable.

The business model that RMGI and ATR are using may work in the oil industry because we have to drive and otherwise use energy and so we can more easily be held hostage by oil companies, and not a damn thing we can do about it. But people don't have to use tape and they won't if its priced out of existence. If tape is priced at a million dollars (£628100) a reel (figuratively speaking) then its the same as not producing tape at all for many people because they can't afford it.

So at some point for a significant portion of potential buyers tape no longer exists as a viable option because its priced beyond reach and might as well be a million dollars a reel. And the more people they exclude the more it costs the rest of us. They've put into place a failed business model from the start, so its basically a train wreck waiting to happen. Only a matter of time. I say let them fail sooner than later so a person or group with a better business sense can get to it.

Good points here, Quantegy and RMGI really did fuck us over 8 years ago, but the thing is, I'm not ready to see RMGI fail, because I'm not sure that anything WILL replace them.

And they play on that fear, but there is a demand for tape, so it will continue to be available one way or the other. Many think the holders of the Ampex/Quantegy formulations are only waiting for the other clowns to get out of the kitchen so they can cook. Probably so.
 
There was a weird thread at Tapeheads about Hutt and the glacier pace of Quantegy and a lot of supposition about a Quantegy/ATR "strategic partnership"???? A whole lot of pipedreaming, speculation and tea leaf reading, but there was a consensus that if they could bring back 456, and maybe 457, they'd blow RMGI out of the water. But then what would that mean. I can't or won't use ATR (too thick, higher bias, and can't hit it that hard anyway) so I haven't checked into that ever. A new (not NOS) reel of 2" GP9 is $350.00 from Quantegy, I'm not sure if that is good bad or about even. I have a catalog from the place I bought tape from 20 years ago... but not handy at the moment, so I don't know, but others can chime in or I'll check tomorrow. Hutt is looking for "investors" whatever the hell that means, so there must be something possibly in the works? The Quantegy site has had like its first update in 10 years, (well it seems like it) :thumbs up:I'm guessing something w/ ATR, but with little or no risk to ATR.?????:confused::confused::confused:
 
The best thing Peter Hutt can do is sell the Quantegy formulations and give someone more qualified a shot. Right now Quantegy is not manufacturing tape, but is a front brand name for Hutt's "Discount Tape" business, which is the only thing he really knows how to do. He's beating the bushes like everyone else looking for new-old-stock supplies of Quantegy and then selling it online. Waiting for a new Quantegy under Hutt's watch is like waiting for the Great pumpkin. Hope someone can talk some sense into him.

Yep, ATR is not an option for most machines. Certainly not suitable for most semi-pro machines.
 
I just want to say, this thread is making me feel like I've been ripped off this whole time! I've been using RMGI SM911 almost exclusively for about 4 or 5 years, and I feel like I've missed the entire NOS train. I do see the prices have jumped up recently (which is a huge bummer), but I've mostly purchased pancakes (in the 1/4" variety) - I worked at a radio station that had a bunch of reels of 80's 456 that was mostly voice-over stuff that I "recycled" :)

Anyway, Beck, you've mentioned several times that there are ways to find quality NOS tape (BASF 911, etc.) in bulk/on the cheap, but I've tried searching and been reading here for several years, and it's difficult to find these threads (or I don't know what I'm doing). I know what tapes to avoid, and that's about it (and honestly, whenever I've seen someone selling tape in my area, it's always 456/457 and I don't want to waste money going to look at tape that's sticky - because, you know, no one ever lists serial numbers). Any pointers on what to look for (comparable to 911), and how to look? Junkbay is all over the place, and you never really know... Could you maybe point me to some threads you remember being beneficial? I feel like some stuff was lost when this site transitioned to bbs or whatever. Maybe I'm just not looking hard enough...
 
I can't speak for what Beck knows about finding NOS tape in bulk....but if you think there's maybe some "outlet" and you just have to know where it is....don't hold your breath. :D

It's more about constantly/daily keeping an eye out for tape. I'm ALWAYS shopping/looking. I've spent over a year sometimes looking for something I need in the studio that is no longer in production, and then one day someone puts it up for sale, and I happen to be the first guy to spot it....and it's mine. :)
That's the same thing with finding small caches of NOS tape.
There may be ways to cold-canvas studios to see if they have NOS tape they might want to unload....but other than that, whatever is out there in stock piles goes quick oncce people hear about it.

So, you just have to keep looking and checking.
 
@Beck; The GP9 (that sells for $350, I checked and 20yrs ago it was $184 so 2x ) is new production. I am pretty sure I read it's done by ATR. IMO Hutt is smart to not sell the formulas. Once it is out of his hands it could be killed, kinda like a company buying a smaller company that may have a new competing technology so it doesn't turn into a competitor with its own product.

@ignatius- I don't have tremendous tape needs, but I've been able to find NOS here and there. the 'Bay used to be OK every now and then, I picked up e.g. a reel of 1/2" 207 (and s/he had more, I couldn't hit the buttons fast enough when the auction ended and didn't relist) for US$12.99!!! But lately it is just assholes selling mostly crap, or mystery used tape, or gouging like other assholes selling one pancake of 5000' 632, probably from the (at least half a dozen) cases a guy was at US$35 each. It's weird and hit and miss, but mostly miss at this point. 7" reels of 206 and 207 seem to pop up a lot for a decent price. Just gotta look hard, thrift stores too maybe, but you're going to find 1/4" 7" there most likely.
 
@Beck; The GP9 (that sells for $350, I checked and 20yrs ago it was $184 so 2x ) is new production. I am pretty sure I read it's done by ATR. IMO Hutt is smart to not sell the formulas. Once it is out of his hands it could be killed, kinda like a company buying a smaller company that may have a new competing technology so it doesn't turn into a competitor with its own product.

You'll find that it is NOS from a few years ago, before Quantegy went under for the second time under Peter Hutt's "Leadership."

Here's their latest press releases: :)

Quantegy Recording Solutions - International Home

And here's the same old promise that Quantegy will one day make new tape along with a description of current stock being, what's "leftover in the warehouse:"

Quantegy

The problem now is that Hutt is killing Ampex/Quantegy formulations by sitting on them and doing nothing. He's doing exactly what you're afraid someone else might do. He bit off more than he could chew when he won the bid for Quantegy during the bankruptcy proceedings. He's in over his head... beyond his capabilities. Any rumor about ATR involvement is just that. There's nothing to it... no official word on collaboration. He's a salesman and that's about it. looking at his twitter log he alternates between calling the GP9 new unused and new stock. Trust me he means NOS... and I don't trust him one bit!

Remember he's only the latest owner of Quantegy. He's not at all essential for its survival.
 
I just want to say, this thread is making me feel like I've been ripped off this whole time! I've been using RMGI SM911 almost exclusively for about 4 or 5 years, and I feel like I've missed the entire NOS train. I do see the prices have jumped up recently (which is a huge bummer), but I've mostly purchased pancakes (in the 1/4" variety) - I worked at a radio station that had a bunch of reels of 80's 456 that was mostly voice-over stuff that I "recycled" :)

Anyway, Beck, you've mentioned several times that there are ways to find quality NOS tape (BASF 911, etc.) in bulk/on the cheap, but I've tried searching and been reading here for several years, and it's difficult to find these threads (or I don't know what I'm doing). I know what tapes to avoid, and that's about it (and honestly, whenever I've seen someone selling tape in my area, it's always 456/457 and I don't want to waste money going to look at tape that's sticky - because, you know, no one ever lists serial numbers). Any pointers on what to look for (comparable to 911), and how to look? Junkbay is all over the place, and you never really know... Could you maybe point me to some threads you remember being beneficial? I feel like some stuff was lost when this site transitioned to bbs or whatever. Maybe I'm just not looking hard enough...

I've always shared links for tape deals over the years. Of course those who are looking for tape aren't going to do that. I haven't bought a new reel of tape from current tape makers in many years... no reason to as long as better less expensive tape is available. I find all my tape on eBay, Musicgoround.com, facebook marketplace and Craigslist. And now and then I may stumble onto something like a bunch of new tape and calibration tapes from the University of Illinois a few years ago. The important thing for the tape user today is to plan ahead and stock up well in advance, and for the long hall. Just-in-time purchasing of new tape will cost you an arm and a leg.

In the first couple years I was a member here we got some comedic value out of the fact that people were paying more for used tape on eBay than they could buy it new. All they would have to do to buy it new for less was google it. That still works, although we don't have all the tape suppy outlets that we used to.

In 2004 I was buying brand new 1/2" EMTEC SM468 from Tapeworks Texas for $18.00 per reel. The only thing he has now is his "Special Run" BASF/EMTEC 1-mil SM900 for $39.99 per reel in 6/carton quantities. I tried it years ago at $21.00 per reel and its good stuff. Even at the price it is now it makes me consider setting up my machine for it and using it exclusively. But I have too much other kind of great tape to do that. For someone just staring out its an idea though.

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A note about searching eBay. eBay has gotten much worse... the bastards running it should be linned up and shot! They no longer follow standard internet protocol for narrowing searches. They broke it sometime back, so it broke a lot of my saved searches. One of the problems with eBay now is you get too many unrelated results, which is as bad as getting too few results. Either way it makes it hard to search.

The following used to narrow things down...

+(tape, tapes, reel, reels) +(scotch, 3M)

Translated it tells the search engine the following...

Must have the words tape or tapes or reel or reels AND must have the words Scotch or 3M

But they made it so it won't recognize the plus sign anymore and it returns over 22,000 results, including adhesive tape. sandpaper and automotive parts. You could just search the musical intruments category or electronics... but many sellers don't know what category to list things under, so it could be anywhere.

The most important thing anyone can do is to complain. You must complain and rattle cages or your world will naturally get progressively worse. eBay needs to hear from everyone about how difficult they're making it on buyers and sellers. Its the American way to agitate for better conditions... or if your from somewhere else its the somewhere else way... wherever you are.

One problem is any dumbass can sell on eBay and consequently eBay now treats all sellers like dumbasses. /Rant

One thing I've done to find the "Hidden" deals is to search by model number. This is/was especially effective with Ampex/Quantegy product and is how I found the best prices online. For example, 456 1/2" on metal reel is model number 456-273111 (or 456-27311Y). Pancakes of the same size without metal reel is 456-272111 (or 456-27211Y).

As for info on what tapes to buy and what to avoid, that's in the Sticky-Shed Help Thread and bits and pieces in other threads over the years. I wish I could rename the sticky-Shed Help Thread to something else because it was the result of and in context of conversations the members were having at the time. Now I'm sure plenty of people miss it because they're thinking, "What the hell is sticky-Shed and why does it apply to me?"
 
In 2004 I was buying brand new 1/2" EMTEC SM468 from Tapeworks Texas for $18.00 per reel. The only thing he has now is his "Special Run" BASF/EMTEC 1-mil SM900 for $39.99 per reel in 6/carton quantities. I tried it years ago at $21.00 per reel and its good stuff. Even at the price it is now it makes me consider setting up my machine for it and using it exclusively. But I have too much other kind of great tape to do that. For someone just staring out its an idea though.

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Yes...THAT was the place in Texas (I couldn't remember their name).

And now that you mention it, the prices were THAT cheap back then (I couldn't remeber what I paid, but I knew it was real cheap/case).

One of the sales guys kept pushing me to buy the "special run" LPR stuff, which he siad was 911 on 1mil tape, and he was trying to sell me a few cases at a really, really low price...he even sent me a reel for free to try out (not bad, good for older decks that don't like thicker tape)....but I already had enough of the stock 1/2" 911/468, so I didn't take the deal.
 
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I'm just happy to have bought or acquired ample stocks of tape before the price gouging and scarcity began.

Sometimes I think if you buy used 2" tape that's excessed from old studios, you might stumble upon an old Fleetwood Mac (or other) multitrack. Maybe that's wishful thinking.

:spank::eek:;)
 
I've seen a few 2" tapes with "name" recordings on them

One had some Eddie Money stuff on it (not his hits)....and another was a tape engineered by Eddie Kramer (can't recall who the artist was, no one major)...but the idiot seller wanted like $500-$600 for it :laughings: ....then he dropped it down to like $300-$400 and after some time it just vanished on eBay (maybe someone actually bought it?).

The other used 2" tapes I've gotten have been a mixed-bag of music...some good sounding stuff and very well recorded, others had some crappy punk bands, and I even came across one that sounded like Funk/R&B form the '70s, but I know it was not that old, rather just that style they were doing.

I don't really bother listening to what's on all the used reels from tip to tail....mostly I just stripe it with SMPTE on track 24 and at the same time erase the other 23 tracks so it's ready for my use.
 
Ive got a bunch of 2" masters from major and not so major studios in socal. I was just going to bulk erase and use them for my projects. Then I realized that some of these masters were really something special.I treasure them now and have a fair collection of some very recognizable bands/artists. Because of the intellectual rights issues, I dont even share the names of what I have.
But when I go into the studio and remix a platinum selling album is something really special to me.
 
Yes...THAT was the place in Texas (I couldn't remember their name).

And now that you mention it, the prices were THAT cheap back then (I couldn't remeber what I paid, but I knew it was real cheap/case).

One of the sales guys kept pushing me to buy the "special run" LPR stuff, which he siad was 911 on 1mil tape, and he was trying to sell me a few cases at a really, really low price...he even sent me a reel for free to try out (not bad, good for older decks that don't like thicker tape)....but I already had enough of the stock 1/2" 911/468, so I didn't take the deal.

Yep, he used to have a bunch of good stuff and priced it like it was taking up space and he needed to get rid of it. I was told that "Special Run" stuff was 1-mil SM900, but since it is not marked that way I guess me may never know for sure. We have to trust the seller or the people he trusts, whoever they are.
 
@Beck, out of morbid curiosity, I've kinda been following the Hutt/Tw@tter threads, and some other thread at Tapeheads. He flat out states the GP9 is new production, and that the specs aren't quite *exactly* the same as NOS. I can't remember where I read that it is done by ATR. I'm not a pro, and I'm not dialed into the trade magazines or whatever:p, but it does strike me as pretty odd, that other than a website asking for money, there doesn't seem to be any chatter anywhere else about a "Quantegy comeback." Hutt had participated in a thread at Tapeheads which for some reason was then locked.

The site also says he's been "inundated" with requests for 456/457 and other than 2" width reels of GP9. It also never made sense that he'd try GP9 (which would compete almost directly w/ ATR) instead of the holy grail of 456.
 
The site also says he's been "inundated" with requests for 456/457 and other than 2" width reels of GP9.

I think that's really about selling to the pro studios who predominately use 2" tape if they still use tape, and I think the GP9 with hotter levels is probably more in demand in the pro studios than other formulations....mind you, I'm talking about currently, with the huge drop in tape use studio wide.

The home/project guys will lean more toward 1/4" and 1/2" stuff....and it's often on pro-sumer decks that may not like anything but the 456 type of tapes.

Just a thought....
 
@Beck, out of morbid curiosity, I've kinda been following the Hutt/Tw@tter threads, and some other thread at Tapeheads. He flat out states the GP9 is new production, and that the specs aren't quite *exactly* the same as NOS. I can't remember where I read that it is done by ATR. I'm not a pro, and I'm not dialed into the trade magazines or whatever:p, but it does strike me as pretty odd, that other than a website asking for money, there doesn't seem to be any chatter anywhere else about a "Quantegy comeback." Hutt had participated in a thread at Tapeheads which for some reason was then locked.

The site also says he's been "inundated" with requests for 456/457 and other than 2" width reels of GP9. It also never made sense that he'd try GP9 (which would compete almost directly w/ ATR) instead of the holy grail of 456.

Yeah, sounds fishy to me. I see in his Twitter feed that he previously calls the GP9 "new unused," (Read leftovers) and then more recently "new production." But new production by definition would be anything they produced that hasn't been sold yet. The big problem for me is that the very nature of his Twitter activity makes it look like basically a one-man operation... one salesman with a very big brand name in his possession. It's very unprofessional considering Quantegy once sold 75% of all tape used worldwide. Kinda comical and sad really.

even in the last days of Quantegy 456 was still the staple product and is what most people would like to see come back first. I really don't think its going to happen with Hutt at the helm... if you can call it a helm. It's more like, WTF? More like one old guy in a little rowboat whereas it used to be an ocean liner. :)
 
Tape is not more expensive than it was if you evaluate all other things- they are also more expensive.
The RMGI Tape is not inferior to any previous formula and it is bad evaluation by the person who thinks this way- I have tested it and I do work on tape decks every day. Complain all you want but old 406 and 456 on E bay is more likely to be sticky than any fresh tape.
 
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