Tempo Changes When Using A Click

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Greg_L said:
There's no need to kick a dog when he's down. The guy can't play or record music well. His own ego and ideals have stunted him - probably permanently. The help was available, he chose not to hear it.
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Yeah, true enough.
Even if he feels the need to put on a show for the forum, I hope he got some useful info out of these threads.
 
Back to the original point though, it's difficult to do what this guy is actually trying to do. Not the drumming, but the whole concept of assembling an actual song with a live feel out of tracks done by different people at different times in different areas. It can be done, and it is done, but comparing it to real established bands in pro environments is foolish. Most bands that record live get the drums down first. They play it all live in the studio, but the drums are what's actually kept for keeps. And even then, there's usually a click track. With the live drums done, the others will come along and drop their shit on top. This way, any timing fluctuations are still natural because the guys are playing to the drums. Or if they do the drums separately, it's still the band's actual drummer, so the familiarity is there. They've probably rehearsed the songs, like pros tend to do, and know what's going on. In the case of session drummers, things are usually mapped out beforehand and the drummer's job is relatively easy. Songs will be written, arranged, and perfected beforehand, and there will probably be some kind of guide. A shaker, a cowbell, a handclap, something. It's not usually some sloppy shmoe banging out sloppy shit on an acoustic guitar. The springsteen clip was just him and a guitar, and it was tight as hell. That's how good musicians operate.

This turtle guy is doing things all wrong and backwards. He's creating problems for himself because he's stubborn and stupid.
 
TripleM said:
I'm not even a drummer and i could tap it out on my desk just fine. It took me about 10 seconds to get the groove, but I was even putting fills in after a while. And I only listened once. A second time through would be pretty simple. A drummer could do this in his sleep. I was having fun with it before the halfway point. And I don't really like Springsteen.
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Lol. Exactly. That's my point. It's not especially hard or technical. Here we have a non drummer that can find the "groove" in one listen.
 
Greg_L said:
Back to the original point though, it's difficult to do what this guy is actually trying to do. Not the drumming, but the whole concept of assembling an actual song with a live feel out of tracks done by different people at different times in different areas. It can be done, and it is done, but comparing it to real established bands in pro environments is foolish. Most bands that record live get the drums down first. They play it all live in the studio, but the drums are what's actually kept for keeps. And even then, there's usually a click track. With the live drums done, the others will come along and drop their shit on top. This way, any timing fluctuations are still natural because the guys are playing to the drums. Or if they do the drums separately, it's still the band's actual drummer, so the familiarity is there. They've probably rehearsed the songs, like pros tend to do, and know what's going on. In the case of session drummers, things are usually mapped out beforehand and the drummer's job is relatively easy. Songs will be written, arranged, and perfected beforehand, and there will probably be some kind of guide. A shaker, a cowbell, a handclap, something.

This turtle guy is doing things all wrong and backwards. He's creating problems for himself because he's stubborn and stupid.
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IMO, everything there is bang on.
The reason I work arse about face sometimes is purely because I usually deal with acoustic guys who don't have a band, but want to hear one on the record.
Given the space and time I would definitely prefer to work with a drummer in advance and have him go first, but even saying that, I wouldn't be scared to ask a drummer to lay down tracks to an existing recording if that was needed.

Not ideal, but certainly doable.
 
TripleM said:
I'm not even a drummer and i could tap it out on my desk just fine. It took me about 10 seconds to get the groove, but I was even putting fills in after a while. And I only listened once. A second time through would be pretty simple. A drummer could do this in his sleep. I was having fun with it before the halfway point. And I don't really like Springsteen.
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First of all how do you know your tapping would be in time? Secondly, what does that have to do with anything? You tapped on your desk for 10 seconds? WTF does that mean? How does that equate being in time for another musician besides your own internal warped metronome? These are the answers that ar ejust given for people wanting to be right

do this: tap on your desk for 1o seconds, and record it with a mic. I wont even ask you to do it for a full 3 minutes to fit a song.

Take that 10 second sample of u tapping, and play your guitar or whatever your instrument and record over it.

Report back with said sample, If I dont hear from you it didnt work out. give me a 1 minute sampling of your great time keeping skill
 
Because you missed the underlying point again.
All of us can do that. Apparently you can't.

That doesn't make us all liars.
 
Lol. This really is that "hates_recording" guy. Same rants, style, bullshit everything. I forgot all about him. Oh well. My points are valid.

Mod supported trolls for post counts! :laughings:
 
I keep providing information, but you all keep talking like you know more than the rest of the web does
 
This shit is the dogs danglies! Too funny! I would really like to hear your music turtle. Please show us these time changes you are struggling with.

:eatpopcorn:
 
Mr Clean said:
This shit is the dogs danglies! Too funny! I would really like to hear your music turtle. Please show us these time changes you are struggling with.

:eatpopcorn:
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It's where it goes from the Beatles part to the Springsteen part.
 
Mr Clean said:
This shit is the dogs danglies! Too funny! I would really like to hear your music turtle. Please show us these time changes you are struggling with.

:eatpopcorn:
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He didn't post music as his last troll incarnation, so he probably won't with this one either.
 
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