I'm pretty new and have some questions

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it was just an example....


if you're going to be picky,,,take my dell vostro 1500.....completely standard factory hardware as shipped from dell..


runs osx 10.6.4 flawlessly. but then,,,a laptop 'isn't a pc' is it...



all i'm saying is, you can run osx on a pc just fine...the only clause being that you have to make sure your hardware is supported first.
 
iLogical said:
well if it is a "custom built" pc then it's not a "PC" is it...
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No, not correct, still a pc.

microsoft make pcs
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Not correct, either. Did microsoft ever make computers?? I don't think so, but maybe. If they did, they never had any kind of marketshare. They write the software, not build the hardware.

if someone else makes a computer it isn't a mac or a pc :confused:
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No one can custom build a mac, because Apple has never allowed it. But any other personal computer would be considered a PC. The term PC came from computers that were traditionally described as IBM compatible. That has since moved on to include any personal computer that is not a mac.
 
Chili said:
No one can custom build a mac, because Apple has never allowed it.
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what have i got then? and what are psystar selling?

sure, it's not a mac by brand.....but for all intents,,,it's a mac.
 
I think my only point is that whole MACs are better for audio than a PC thing is soooo ten years ago.At least the whole Protools thing has died down.:D
 
Steenamaroo said:
what have i got then? and what are psystar selling?

sure, it's not a mac by brand.....but for all intents,,,it's a mac.
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Well, I don't know what you've got. Has Apple started licensing their O/S to other OEM's? If so, then Psystar is probably using Apple O/S on their PC. Don't know what you'd call it, maybe call it a mac, it does have Apple O/S.

If Apple isn't licensing their O/S to other OEM's, then Psystar is using the software illegally and will probably lose the court case. But like you, I'm not going to bother looking it up. lol :)
 
it is proper gray area material,,,but i figure, as long as these people are trading,,,i'm happy with what i'm doing...plus i paid for the software which is more than most do mac diyers do.

i've always said that if apple win the court case, i'd either buy a mac or go back to xp (cringes at the thought)
 
@Chili

ok when it comes to the history of computers i am out of my depth it seems. but out of interest - what makes a pc a pc? is it simply "not a mac"?

also, if were discussing pc vs mac are we talking about the hardware or the os?

surely they both need discussing... if were gonna get that up our own about it.

i would also say there is no mac vs pc argument in terms of hardware because there are so many manufacturers of "pc" hardware. the only thing there is to talk about between macs and pcs is the os and that should be informed by the software if we are recording audio.
 
well,,,it's all hard to say cos everyone has a bias or a preference.


i'd say they are all PCs by definition. personal computer.

but generally when people say pc vs mac, i assume it to mean apple branded computer vs computer with windows operating system.


the hardware debate went out the window a few years ago cos a mac pro is made of intel processors, standard ddr2/3 ram, nvidia or ati graphics cards and i think?! maybe intel motherboards?....if not there's intel in there somewhere.


the only difference between mac and 'pc' graphics cards is a few lines of hex info in the cards bios, cos macs identify the card differently.
i know this, cos a guy brought me a mac to fix....graphics card turned out to be dead.
i had the choice of spending £60 on a second hand 'apple' nvidia 5500fx, or modding the bios on the old scrap 'pc' nvidia 5500fx that was lying in my drawer of scrap.
needless to say i modded the bios and save the man £60 for something that's clearly outdated and overpriced.

in real terms, if the two are going to be compared, it's gota be down to the operating system itself, and even that's out the window, cos like i said,you can run osx on a pc and windows on a mac....


what else has to change before we can just put it to bed and say they're the same?


**EDIT** sorry,,,didn't see the @chili
 
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haha,,,true that...

i have to admit, i'm a sucker for apple hardware.....and by that i mean the stuff that they actually make...

i went to the hassle of buying a mac pro case an fitting an atx layout and backplate just cos the mac pro case is so nice! lol..

got an apple keyboard and mouse too,cos really,i think they're stunning and really well built.
 
Steenamaroo said:
haha,,,true that...

i have to admit, i'm a sucker for apple hardware.....and by that i mean the stuff that they actually make...

i went to the hassle of buying a mac pro case an fitting an atx layout and backplate just cos the mac pro case is so nice! lol..

got an apple keyboard and mouse too,cos really,i think they're stunning and really well built.
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:laughings::laughings::laughings:
love it!

did u know humans were descended from magpies?
 
iLogical said:
@Chili

ok when it comes to the history of computers i am out of my depth it seems. but out of interest - what makes a pc a pc? is it simply "not a mac"?

also, if were discussing pc vs mac are we talking about the hardware or the os?

surely they both need discussing... if were gonna get that up our own about it.

i would also say there is no mac vs pc argument in terms of hardware because there are so many manufacturers of "pc" hardware. the only thing there is to talk about between macs and pcs is the os and that should be informed by the software if we are recording audio.
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Well, I don't want to drag this thread too far off topic, but quickly, yeah you can say a pc is anything that is not a mac. Apple always had their own propietary hardware and software, however, in the last few years they switched over to Intel architecture and more closely resemble PC's.

Steenamaroo gave a pretty good rundown.
cheers,
 
ok cheers chili

and an apology to the OP for overtaking this thread with posts that may have been better placed on mac-roumers! :spank:
 
Chili said:
No, not correct, still a pc.



Not correct, either. Did microsoft ever make computers?? I don't think so, but maybe. If they did, they never had any kind of marketshare. They write the software, not build the hardware.

No one can custom build a mac, because Apple has never allowed it. But any other personal computer would be considered a PC. The term PC came from computers that were traditionally described as IBM compatible. That has since moved on to include any personal computer that is not a mac.
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Aww! I was about to say that. :p:mad::)

Dr. V
 
acidrock said:
I think my only point is that whole MACs are better for audio than a PC thing is soooo ten years ago.At least the whole Protools thing has died down.:D
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I totally agree, mate.

My brother in law has a PC and is a far, far better musician than I'll ever be. He's waiting until he can buy a Mac before getting into the whole home recording thing. I said "You've got a PC, I can direct you to some free/cheap software so you can play around a bit and for the price of a used pro-sound card and some extra RAM, you could be up and running in a few days..." But no, he insists on getting a Mac before he even strikes a note. He's heard of Garageband and this, to him, is where it's at.

Now I can't go off on a rant because I'm hardly technically qualified enough to tell him how to spend his hard earned but to my reasoning, I don't feel splashing out on a Mac is really necessary when you're already used to the PC.

Yes, if he takes it seriously, he'll probably need to start fresh with a new PC. Something a bit quieter and more powerful, etc... Maybe getting the Mac is the fresh start he needs though? I mean, he could probably pick up a used G4...

I mean, they are lovely little things... don't get me wrong.

Thing is though, I'm now using the interface and hard drive I intend to put into the the next machine I build, and this time, instead of standard processor, it will be dual core. Even with this ramshackle kit, I'm still making music, so there's no gap in my groove. A few upgrades later and I'll have myself a dedicated dual core music station, with no added learning curve.

I just really enjoy the possibilities with the PC. If I suddenly changed to a Mac, it would seem the upgrade curve would be chopped off short and the Mac would be a sealed off, exclusive little world, from my main technology.

I mean... I have thought about this... I've actually gone as far as looking at the Macs on Ebay... but still, it just doesn't make enough sense. At least, not financially! And the question of "For the money is it gonna make better music though"... well... Heh! I think we know the answer to that...

Dr. V
 
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Bisson820 said:
believe it or not MAC hardware fails more often than PC (DELL in particular).
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It's the same hardware. Both fail in approximately the same numbers. There were two examples of problems with recent Macs. One was due to bad nVidia chips. The other were bad i5 processors. The first wasn't noticed in production, so there's an extended warranty program. The bad i5 delayed production, allowing Intel's chip plant to correct things.

And Dell is being sued for knowingly supplying 1000's of computers with bad hardware. I don't think it's the best example of good PC hardware.

also make damn sure you treat a mac like a child... any ding or spill or anything and your warranty is gonezo (unless you've gotten the extended plan through geeksquad... its the only way to get accidentcal care for a mac).
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In general, Mac portables are more solid than the rest of the field. And a ding won't effect warranty in general. I don't like Apple's warranty conditions either, but the service in general is good to very good. And I know the magsafe connector saves Macbooks a lot. In fact, broken power connectors are the #1 repair on portable PC's.

however, if you have an accident withy our DELL and its no longer working... if you've purchased complete care warranty.. it covers all accidental damage... i've had people come in that "accidentally" ran over their computers and i've fixed them under their warranty or get ok'd by dell to ship them a new one and save their old hard drive (containing all their saved files.... like... songs)

just saying... you're storing a lot of work on this machine... how much you wanna trust it? i gear that especially towards MAC
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I'd trust it a bit more. OSX at least has an easy backup system. It's called Time Machine and for the price of an external drive, you can rest easy...
 
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