miroslav
Cosmic Cowboy
Coming from a forum clown...I'm so devastated now!
And you've basically hit your peak and are making your life statement…in the Cave.
I guess I’ll never know that high level of success.
Coming from a forum clown...I'm so devastated now!
And you've basically hit your peak and are making your life statement…in the Cave.
I guess I’ll never know that high level of success.
kcearl
I see deaf people
Coming from a forum clown...I'm so devastated now!
better a clown than a sidekick
more posts in the audio forums than you in the same amount of time so hardly all about making life statements in the Cave...not that this petty counting of things matters much...you try so hard to hang on to the coat tails of others then get all bent out of shape when its pointed out to you...
you get all personal with folks you accuse of getting personal then boo hoo when members treat you the way you treat others...
you name check others (in bold of all the childish things) then whine when you're mentioned..
there's more than one clown in this forum for sure, the only difference is I just have to change the wording under my avatar...you're stuck with your label
Gizzmo0815
New member
Not meaning to kiss any ass, just saying that I don't think he had any problems picking things up and understanding them
I'm not trying to say that Glen (or Miroslav for that matter) has any problem picking anything up. I said that a while back...the dudes know what they're talking about. I just didn't like the way they went about showing it.
I also think that there's a lot more freely available information, resources, and technology than when he started out. And that the people who know how to take advantage of that will do so and will inevitably make strides forward, beyond what has been done in the past. And they shouldn't be made to think that they have to always do things the way they were done before. Not to say you shouldn't listen to what those who've gone before you have to say. But you don't always have to do as they did.
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It's pretty obvious that I just feel the way I feel about how the thread went down. I can't really do anything about it. Miroslav, you want to make it into a thing where people are ganging up on you and turn it a big complicated issue involving jealousy (I've got plenty of people to be jealous of, you're not on the list. This is kind of what I mean by elitist.), laziness and any number of other issues.
The flat fact is that I just didn't like the methods that were used to show a dude how to do something. I'm not the ringleader of some lynching party (I don't know any of these people from Adam, there's no plot) and any comments made by other people were made of their own accord. I'm just a wordy dude who didn't like something and wrote about it.
And I haven't called you anything other than elitist. I suppose that's name calling. But I don't regret saying it. I can apologize for it if you want me to. But it would only be half hearted because it's how I feel.
kcearl
I see deaf people
you've nothing to apologise for, he's making it way more personal than anyone else....
miroslav
Cosmic Cowboy
Your entire contribution to this thread (and many others in the past) has been nothing BUT a personal attack...so don't play that game you always do.
First lob insults...then cry when it comes back at you.
I've given Glen his due and acknowledge that he has more commercial studio time under his belt...but then, I have more individual songwriter/musician recording time under mine...so we have some overlap, but also our own areas of expertise.
But the important take-away for you here is that I have WAY more audio knowledge and experience than you ever will...
...and that's really the rub, ain't it.
Guys like you infiltrate audio forums everywhere…and the first thing you do is look for a Cave-type section if there is one, because that is the only in area you can survive and thrive.
Oh…did you find your Cracker Jack prize yet….you winner you!
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kcearl
I see deaf people
dude you're just repeating what i said! lol
Im not crying I love it, carry on...give it your best shot
again I have more posts outside the cave than inside it, and more than you..why would your continuing of this accusation/route bother me?
It doesnt take away from the fact that you are little more than a sidekick and that these snobbery accusations are not the first nor will be the last...
yup you may find cheeky bastards like myself on BBS message boards everywhere but you also find self important blowhard condescending gobshites like yourself too...
Cracker? Cracker??? are you a racist?!?!!
miroslav
Cosmic Cowboy
No...I don't want to "make it" into anything...you and a bunch of other's already made it into a complicated issue...all because we told Fala his mastering wasn't really mastering.
But yeah...you didn't like the way we said it.
And guess what...we didn't like that way you guys said what you said.
And now you don't feel like apologizing about it (no problem, I wasn’t really asking)...
...and we don't feel like we need to either.
So now what?
But look just back through thread at the amount of time and posts made by you and others directed at Glen and me...and then compare that to the number of posts Glen and I made specifically directed at Fala, and the manner in which we made them compared to what came back at us from you guys.
Let me know if you feel it's equal and fair....and if so, then I guess we're even.
Now you can go back to "helping Fala"... as though you're going to be telling him anything different.
Don’t worry…this thread will fade away like they all do…
kcearl
I see deaf people
"Glen and me"
miroslav
Cosmic Cowboy
Typical and expected.
Guys like you are all about their “post count” and "rep points”...
...but AFA actual post/thread substance....
I guess you really DO think you're going to win something and get a prize if you hit a high post/rep number.
Boy...such focused ambition and such high personal goals...how commendable!
kcearl
I see deaf people
Typical and expected.
Guys like you are all about their “post count” and "rep points”...
...but AFA actual post/thread substance....
I guess you really DO think you're going to win something and get a prize if you hit a high post/rep number.
Boy...such focused ambition and such high personal goals...how commendable!
you're the one that brought up rep points pages ago, Ive never mentioned them anywhere here lol
and you were the one to go on about me only posting in the cave??? Im telling you I post more outside of the cave and more than you...for all that it matters
dude you are too funny...too stupid and funny
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
I don't think so. You don't really understand what I do .... I play music for a living and I do it basically every single night. That alone puts me in contact with lots of young musicians. Plus I've never closed my mind to young music. Back in Baton Rouge I regularly played with bands of 20 year olds ..... hung in their clubs and had many of them considering my house a mecca because of my toys and huge record collection.
The internet has changed things quite a bit in not only the fact that people can see what people do. It's also changed what people consider to be important and it's changed what young musicians think is important as far as playing goes.
I think it's funny that young folks will tell older guys that things have changed and they can't understand the new ways but when older guys will notice a change they've seen the young guys want to deny that change.
"No ... we were always that way .... you just didn't see it".
The world has changed a lot and you can't simply acknowledge the changes that you want to acknowledge.
Music has changed in a lot of ways.
One thing is that everyone now has access to tens of thousands of tunes. When I started you might have 2 dozen albums and listen to them over and over and over for a year. That alone dramatically changes the relationship to that music. You're going to inevitably know inside and out anything you've listened to a thousand times. A lot of current music listening is relatively superficial.
I'm not saying one is better than the other ..... I'm just saying they're definitely different.
And that's probably one of the lesser changes.
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miroslav
Cosmic Cowboy
I guess it matters to you...you keep pointing it out.
I'll get you a T-shirt....
"I post more outside of the cave
and more than you!"
kcearl
I see deaf people
I just ordered it online...
along with
"i visited Southside Glen and all I got was this Miroslav"
fala
New member
Thanks Ryley for your mix
grimtraveller
If only for a moment.....
Wouldn't it be ironic if war broke out in some harsh jungle or exposed mountain range "somewhere" and conscription was reintroduced and all the people that posted on this thread ended up in the same fighting unit and actually had to rely on one another to stay alive......
kcearl
I see deaf people
dude im in the talitubbies already!
hey remember the time we cut the heads off those guys riding bycycles!?
hey remember the time we cut the heads off those guys riding bycycles!?
masteringhouse
www.masteringhouse.com
I find it ironic that the only thing I can think of that would pull together everyone on this forum is if there was something that everyone found equally repulsive.
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Gizzmo0815
New member
I don't play for a living but I've worked with a lot of younger musicians than me with several youth organizations. I've worked with several music teachers and helped them out with instruction and whatnot. A few venues that give kids, teens and adults a place to get together and play music. So I can kind of see the spectrum. The younger kids always tend to want to learn to play something they know. All kinds of requests to teach them this song, or show them how one of their favorite artists does something. I think that's pretty normal for younger people. As they get older most of them will stop playing, but the ones that stick with it will start to learn more about things like theory and composition, the real music-making skills.
I think the same is probably true for anyone who starts to work with audio. In general the younger and/or more inexperienced folks will want to learn how to sound like someone they know sounds good. Which is why I think you get so many requests on these boards for specific techniques to sound a certain way, rather than specific requests for the knowledge to get the results you want by yourself. I suppose that could be considered looking for the shortcut. But the ones who really care, and have talent will soon realize that it's just better to learn the why's rather than the hows. It just takes a little patience until they realize it.
I think the immediacy of the internet (they can just post on a forum and hundreds of people will answer them, usually within minutes) magnifies everything. It makes it look like there are thousands of people out there that just want the quick solution. There's probably a lot more who don't bother coming on here that aren't that way, and are actually trying to find the right answers.
The internet has changed things quite a bit in not only the fact that people can see what people do. It's also changed what people consider to be important and it's changed what young musicians think is important as far as playing goes.
I think it's funny that young folks will tell older guys that things have changed and they can't understand the new ways but when older guys will notice a change they've seen the young guys want to deny that change.
"No ... we were always that way .... you just didn't see it".
The world has changed a lot and you can't simply acknowledge the changes that you want to acknowledge.
Music has changed in a lot of ways.
One thing is that everyone now has access to tens of thousands of tunes. When I started you might have 2 dozen albums and listen to them over and over and over for a year. That alone dramatically changes the relationship to that music. You're going to inevitably know inside and out anything you've listened to a thousand times. A lot of current music listening is relatively superficial.
I'm not saying one is better than the other ..... I'm just saying they're definitely different.
And that's probably one of the lesser changes.
No no! I'm not denying change! I just don't know what KIND of change it is. I find it hard to believe that people as a whole are getting WORSE at the things we talk about on the forum. I just tend to think that there's a lot MORE of the things we talk about on this forum going on. Not necessarily a problem of "insolent youngin's" but more a problem of normal yougin's who have a lot more data, informaton and, in a lot of cases garbage, to sift through when they approach something like learning an instrument, or audio processing. It's a pretty normal response to just want to say...wow...too much stuff out there what's the quickest way to find what I'm looking for?
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
I don't find young'uns to be insolent myself although I know lots of older guys do. I love playing with kids ..... their energy is contagious.
I just think the art of making music is being changed by the changing technologies.
A couple of quick and easy examples.
When I started playing (1962) there were no cheap electronic tuners. There were strobes but they seemed expensive.
Even when I went full time (1969) there really weren't electronic tuners commonly used by bands. So everybody HAD to learn to tune by ear with maybe a pitch pipe. Some never did get to where they could tune up well so there'd often be a guy in a band with good ears that would tune everyone's gits.
Nowadays there's almost no reason to really learn to tune by ear other than just wanting to be able to.
I think it's obvious that when everyone had to tune by ear ...... that particular skill would have been more widespread than it is now when there's really no necessity for it. It's considered a useful skill but you can get by just fine without it.
Another .... there were no tabs or videos where you could be shown how to play something. There was the record ........ period. You either figured out how to do something by listening to it or you didn't .... no alternatives.
In both of these examples the old days forced ear training on you if you wanted to get better.
Now you can avoid any ear training at all if you wish.
OTOH, the skill levels of young musicians are way increased by their ability to casually get vids of almost any performance they want to emulate.
You lose some skills and gain others in this exchange as new technology always does.
I'm not saying one is better than the other ..... just different.
Ideally you could have ALL the skills but human nature says that grunt work (i.e. tuning by ear) will be avoided if it can be done away with.
Pluses and minuses ..... it's always been that way ......... change brings good AND bad.
I just think the art of making music is being changed by the changing technologies.
A couple of quick and easy examples.
When I started playing (1962) there were no cheap electronic tuners. There were strobes but they seemed expensive.
Even when I went full time (1969) there really weren't electronic tuners commonly used by bands. So everybody HAD to learn to tune by ear with maybe a pitch pipe. Some never did get to where they could tune up well so there'd often be a guy in a band with good ears that would tune everyone's gits.
Nowadays there's almost no reason to really learn to tune by ear other than just wanting to be able to.
I think it's obvious that when everyone had to tune by ear ...... that particular skill would have been more widespread than it is now when there's really no necessity for it. It's considered a useful skill but you can get by just fine without it.
Another .... there were no tabs or videos where you could be shown how to play something. There was the record ........ period. You either figured out how to do something by listening to it or you didn't .... no alternatives.
In both of these examples the old days forced ear training on you if you wanted to get better.
Now you can avoid any ear training at all if you wish.
OTOH, the skill levels of young musicians are way increased by their ability to casually get vids of almost any performance they want to emulate.
You lose some skills and gain others in this exchange as new technology always does.
I'm not saying one is better than the other ..... just different.
Ideally you could have ALL the skills but human nature says that grunt work (i.e. tuning by ear) will be avoided if it can be done away with.
Pluses and minuses ..... it's always been that way ......... change brings good AND bad.
Gizzmo0815
New member
All good points! In some ways I lament the whole tuning issue you talked about. I think it is important to learn to train your ear that way. Especially if you're going to be doing any audio work afterwards. I also think that the automagic tuner is causing music to be more and more "perfect" (and then there's things like autotune, which is a whole different barrel of monkeys). Good? Bad? I have no idea. I know that I like music that's both old and new, though, so in light of that it's a moot point for me. (Plus, I like having a tuner nearby, it's easier. HA!)