i offer free mastering try it now!

[miroslav]

...but it's not fun to watch a parent cut down, chastise and belittle a kid for pretending to be a cowboy and trying to have fun...that's just sad

It didn't begin that way...it evolved after people started saying the kid should just be allowed to do whatever he wants.

Hey man...I like that song...are you going to remix it?

 

[kcearl]

The developing comedy here is that the amount of time we spent "bashing" Fala for what he doesn't know...now pales in comparison to the counter-bashing aimed at Glen and me, basically, for what we do know.

And now, the bottom feeders like kcearl are showing up to pick at the scraps, like a hyena, once the lions have finished feasting.

Bon Appétit!

shhhht Im reading.....

 

[Monkey Allen]

It didn't begin that way...it evolved after people started saying the kid should just be allowed to do whatever he wants.

Hey man...I like that song...are you going to remix it?

Well...you know...it's just all a bit of fun...fala is what fala does...there's no chance of being tricked by fala. No offence to you fala old son!

I wont remix it because I recorded the whole thing in a HK hotel room...now I have moved into a 600 square foot HK echo chamber...the chances of accurate mixing are zero...so, one day when I move back to Australia, I will do it then.

Maybe I can redo the drums in some way...but bass and everything else is too hard to do when I have a terrible sounding room

Fala....do you do mixing???

 

[fala]

guys mastering is an art not a science ... there is no perfection...... as if painting an art ... had many painters had studied would not become famous

ve lo scrivo in italiano così potete tradurlo come volete .....

il mastering è un' arte non una scienza non esiste la perfezione assoluta come la pittura d'altronde se molti pittori avessero studiato non sarebbero diventati così famosi

 

[fala]

Well...you know...it's just all a bit of fun...fala is what fala does...there's no chance of being tricked by fala. No offence to you fala old son!

Monkey before you like my mastering ..... you send me an email with congratulation .... ???!?

I do not understand if you liked my work now not like because people of this forum you says is a wrong?
it's important that you do like not the other people will go elsewhere

 

[joeym]

guys mastering is an art not a science ... there is no perfection...... as if painting an art ... had many painters had studied would not become famous

ve lo scrivo in italiano così potete tradurlo come volete .....

il mastering è un' arte non una scienza non esiste la perfezione assoluta come la pittura d'altronde se molti pittori avessero studiato non sarebbero diventati così famosi

Did someone call...?

Translation:

Mastering is an art, not a science. As with painting, true perfection does not exist. On the other hand, if many painters had studied they wouldn't have become so famous.

 

[Wish]

The developing comedy here is that the amount of time we spent "bashing" Fala for what he doesn't know...now pales in comparison to the counter-bashing aimed at Glen and me, basically, for what we do know.

I guess a lot of people are tired of those who feel the need to be dicks and/or bullies instead of helpful.

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

I guess a lot of people are tired of those who feel the need to be dicks and/or bullies instead of helpful.

Then please, put me on your ignore list. If I bother you that much, then put me on ignore. Nobody is holding a gun to your head, forcing any of you to listen to me or anyone else. In fact, you don't even have to be here at all if you find it that painful to hear the truth. You're free to leave any time you wish.

G.

 

[Wish]

I don't need to put people on ignore myself. I don't take things personally on the internet. That's kinda silly.

But if you want to seem like a dick to others, that's your own business.

Carry on.

 

[acidrock]

If you don't like it,ask for your money back.

I think the "mastering" debates here are half informative,half comical.

 

[Wish]

And I'd really like to hear your thoughts on when this home recording sector meltdown is going to happen so I can be prepared.

 

[Lt. Bob]

just an observation ..... it's mastered when it's burnt to CD.
Just like everything else, there can be wide divergence on what mastering should do. Nowadays it means loud more than anything else. To us old guys it means getting it ready for vinyl cutting.
I'll do a CD sometime in the next year. I doubt very seriously I'll worry about having it mastered per se since I won't press it until it sounds exactly like I want it to.
And once I have it sounding exactly like I want ...... I won't want anyone changing it since it will no longer sound exactly like I want.
So, for me, it'll be mastered when I'm done with it.

 

[kcearl]

Then please, put me on your ignore list. If I bother you that much, then put me on ignore. Nobody is holding a gun to your head, forcing any of you to listen to me or anyone else. In fact, you don't even have to be here at all if you find it that painful to hear the truth. You're free to leave any time you wish.

G.

or you could put a sock in it sometimes...especially with someone obviously less experienced..

you just come of as a smarmy arse sometimes...you and your wee sidekick Miroslaver....

 

[Gizzmo0815]

You’ve been waxing poetic in the opposite direction and attacking us because we feel it’s important to clarify the differences between real mastering and playing at mastering…which continues to be ignored in this thread by exactly those people who should be paying attention.

But you're NOT doing that. You haven't clarified anything. You just tell us when we're wrong and how much we don't know about mastering witout offering any explanation as to what it really is. It's all very "just do it because I say so".

And I'm pretty sure I've never said that mastering isn't important. It IS important if you intend to compete on any kind of professional level. I just think that HERE...on this forum...sometimes people take things a little too seriously. And if the point is to encourage fledgling recorders, mixers and masterers (not a word), well...lets encourage those who DON'T know so that they DO know.

We are not the ones hurting Fala and other newbies…it’s YOUR type of perspectives that do that because you want to say it’s OK not to have to know how to do things all the way, the right way...and because we insist on it, that makes us “elitists”…??? Well then what does it make those that only want do things half-assed....hacks?

I’ve seen that BS argument so many times from newbies...on many other forums, not just here.
The minute higher quality is brought up and the need to learn about audio and to lift up the standards instead of looking for shortcuts that lower them…many newbies will balk, just like they do when someone points out that their cheap gear can’t get them the same quality as high-end gear….they don’t want to hear it!

You haven't read my previous posts then. I've made it abundantly clear that I understand the time, effort and expertise it takes to be a mastering engineer. Not once here have I claimed that it WASN'T something that was difficult and specialized, and takes years to become good at. Here's a quote from me:

Who's saying anyone is entitled to anything here??? I don't think anyone has even come CLOSE to implying that being GOOD at tracking/mixing/mastering/recording is any less difficult and hard earned than it has always been.

I am well aware that there are right and wrong ways to do things. And in this particular field there's a steep learning curve. And there are tons of people out there that try to take shortcuts so they don't have to work hard. I'm with you on that. I'm trackin'.

But there's a specific difference between someone who INTENDS TO DO HARM and someone who just doesn't know better. And when you treat someone who DOESN'T KNOW BETTER as if they INTEND TO DO HARM. Most people won't respond to that kindly. Which is why you have become a "feast" as you put it.

If the point is pressed, then words like “elitist” or “snob” almost always get tossed back at the messenger, because that’s the only way they can justify their misinformed newbie positions.
Yet you want the “elitist snobs” to teach and help the newbies…but it has to be on the newbie’s terms and without any pain to them…served up like so much cookies and milk….???

The term elitist does not apply to those folks that are knowledgeable but offer guidance without judgment. Fala was arrested, tried and convicted before the 5th post in this thread. And he's not the first one it's happened to here.

I think, more accurately, that it's very difficult to find knowledgeable professionals online that are willing to help newbies. I understand why too...because they're probably too busy to hang around on a forum on their off time trying to teach people how to do such a complicated task such as mastering. Which makes perfect sense to me....But it's the experts that feel the constant need to "put us in our place" that bug me.

I don't know why you keep wanting to make it seem like I'm a spokesperson for laziness in audio recording. I'm not. It's why I've spent about 5 years now learning how to do it. And for the most part I just keep quiet and learn what I can when I can. But every so often (and it seems more and more so these days) I come across a dude who wants to tell me how little I know, and wants to tell all the other newbies how little they know too. Which is fine, and probably true. But the vast majority of them aren't doing any harm, but you wouldn't think so by the way they get lambasted for it.

And if/when the time comes that someone like me (or Fala) decides that they're good enough to offer their services...that's their choice. And Fala is doing it the right way as far as I'm concerned. Because he's not asking anyone for any money without letting them have a glance at what he can do.

And if he can do it better than I can...and I can afford him. Then I'll pay him for it. And if he can't...then I won't. Simple.

I do, however, agree that perhaps advertising on the forum is not the correct way to go about it. It's quite close to spamming, though he wasn't asking for payment in the first post, so it's bit gray.

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

And I'd really like to hear your thoughts on when this home recording sector meltdown is going to happen so I can be prepared.

It's already started, this thread is a symptom of it.

No, please, put me on ignore. I don't want to bother you any more than I already have.

or you could put a sock in it sometimes...especially with someone obviously less experienced..

you just come of as a smarmy arse sometimes

WOW. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Tell me, Mr. Clown Mofo, when is the last time that you actually contributed ANYTHING to this BBS other than being a smart ass? You're so proud of making an industry out of being a smarmy smart ass here that you actually call yourself a clown mofo.

And as far as talking to someone less experienced, how the hell ELSE is it supposed to go? It's only the less experienced who need to ask the questions that are asked around here and the more experienced who have the chops to provide answers. That's how it works. That's why this BBS is here, in case you haven't noticed.

The only time you guys think someone like me is being a smarmy smart ass is when the answer to your question is one you didn't want to hear.

If you guys had your way, 2 + 2 would equal whatever you want it to equal, because to say that the answer is 4 is either just someone being a smarmy start ass for not letting you make up your own answer, or being a bully for insisting that 5 cannot be the answer no matter how much you wish it were.

G.

 

[lieasleep]

or you could put a sock in it sometimes...especially with someone obviously less experienced..

you just come of as a smarmy arse sometimes...you and your wee sidekick Miroslaver....

i am with you man, I just went through reading this thread. miroslav and southside, you guys just come off as elitest dicks with your noses higher than a 747.

i mean god. fala comes on here and offers a service, doesn't hype himself as being great, just offers. even admits "hey, I am just learning" and you guys are all over him. he then says that he will charge after the first song. you try the first one FREE, you like it, then pay him, you don't then you don't have him master any more of your tracks. seems like a prety sweet deal to me.

and, to add, you claim that you are "helping." the only thing you guys are helping is your own ego, especially making such phony, open ended and opinionated claims to importance and and technical deliberation that goes into mastering. i am sure you guys are great at mastering, i am sure of it. but leave a guy that is learning alone until you have something CONSTRUCTIVE and POLITE to say.

you ever see that episode of seinfeld where kramer tells that woman that she needs a nose job and then just says "i was only trying to help." yeah kinda like that...

and monkey allen, you are just as bad as them. conascending as hell man. c'mon. and fala''s english is even keeping him from really sticking up for himself. just stop being dicks man...

 

[Gizzmo0815]

just an observation ..... it's mastered when it's burnt to CD.
Just like everything else, there can be wide divergence on what mastering should do. Nowadays it means loud more than anything else. To us old guys it means getting it ready for vinyl cutting.
I'll do a CD sometime in the next year. I doubt very seriously I'll worry about having it mastered per se since I won't press it until it sounds exactly like I want it to.
And once I have it sounding exactly like I want ...... I won't want anyone changing it since it will no longer sound exactly like I want.
So, for me, it'll be mastered when I'm done with it.

I think probably that's going to become pretty close to how most people will feel now that technology has begun to allow for it.

The reality of it is that the quality of your final will totally depend on how much effort you've spent learning how to do it and how much money you've spent on the equipment and necessities to make it happen.

And in some cases...the quality will be low. The sound will be muddy...the CD will have a sticker on the front. And the music will not be good.

I think, however, the opposite is also completely possible (not only that but I've seen it happen!). The mixing can be excellent, the CD can look fantastic, and the music will be awesome.

Which is pretty much EXACTLY how things have always worked. The only difference is that it was always so expensive that the ones that sucked never made it through the whole process because they didn't have a way to get their stuff into the studio (via a record label most often).

Now though, those people that wouldn't get a record deal...will saunter off and try to do it themselves. Which some would have you believe will ruin the MUSIC.

I don't think so. I just think that there will be MORE music...and that it won't always be good.

Which isn't really all that scary.

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

you like it, then pay him, you don't then you don't have him master any more of your tracks. seems like a prety sweet deal to me.

I honestly don't get what you guys don't understand about the phrase "he is not mastering."

That's the lesson that nobody is willing to learn here. It's not that Fala's new at mastering, it's that he hasn't even STARTED mastering yet. He is NOT mastering anything, free or otherwise. Trying to explain that seems like bullying only because you guys refuse to accept that fact.

The only elitist bullying dicks around here are those that don't know what they are talking about trying to tell those that do that they are wrong.

G.

 

[lieasleep]

The only elitist bullying dicks around here are those that don't know what they are talking about trying to tell those that do that they are wrong.

G.

"I know what I am talking about, therefore you are wrong." wow, terrible argument and completely missing my point!

tell fala what he is doing wrong. be nice. instruct him. it's that simple.

 

[kcearl]

It's already started, this thread is a symptom of it.

No, please, put me on ignore. I don't want to bother you any more than I already have.

WOW. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Tell me, Mr. Clown Mofo, when is the last time that you actually contributed ANYTHING to this BBS other than being a smart ass? You're so proud of making an industry out of being a smarmy smart ass here that you actually call yourself a clown mofo.

And as far as talking to someone less experienced, how the hell ELSE is it supposed to go? It's only the less experienced who need to ask the questions that are asked around here and the more experienced who have the chops to provide answers. That's how it works. That's why this BBS is here, in case you haven't noticed.

The only time you guys think someone like me is being a smarmy smart ass is when the answer to your question is one you didn't want to hear.

If you guys had your way, 2 + 2 would equal whatever you want it to equal, because to say that the answer is 4 is either just someone being a smarmy start ass for not letting you make up your own answer, or being a bully for insisting that 5 cannot be the answer no matter how much you wish it were.

G.

why you go girl...

my avatar says clown mofo as it was the first thing Dipshit_2000 said when I informed him how fucking stupid he was too, seems I have a knack for it

you're just a smarmy arse..over opinionated and generally so full of yourself you cant even see how much of a complete tool you are in this thread..

as for my contribution? well I dont have a wealth of experience but what I have I gladly share regardless of how many times its been posted or repeated, and Ill continue to..just as the majority do...I also lend a pair of ears and constructive criticism and support in the MP3 clinic..a pretty important forum to many of us outside of your wankdom..i mean kingdom

but I dont have to explain myself to you, you and miroslaver are the ones at fault here...Ill refrain from giving you a good hiding in one of the public forums but if the pair of you want to join me in the cave I have some rather crude and funny observations to make at the expense of your moustache...