Zildjian crash problem

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Okay, I bought a 14" Zildjian ZBT crash about 20 minutes ago. After hitting it for about 2 seconds, it popped (parts of it went inside out, I dont know what you call that). Did I get a defective crash, or do these suck and only last 5 minutes?
-Nilbog
 
Not sure what you mean by parts went inside and out..

The ZBT's are the bottom of the barrel for Zilgian, But I would expect it to last longer than 5 minutes under normal usage.

Bring it back, get the next line up in Zilgian.
 
I agree...ZBT's are the lowest of the low. Sounds like a pretty thin cymbal. You should be able to pop it "right-side out". You should also take it back and spend the extra cash for a much better product. I would expect it to last alot longer than 2 minutes. When I was starting out, I had a Royce (ever heard of it?) crash that lasted 2 years. You could do what I did and eventually stand on it to turn it fully inside out, take it outside and beat it with a sledgehammer, bend the edges back with a pair of pliers, mount it upside down, and now you have a cheap, very quick, and very trashy china.
 
Go Paiste!!! All the way!!!

The only Zildjian i bought sounds like a bloody pizza dish!!!

Tim
 
heh..I took it back and got a sabian "el sabor" crash. That thing sounds good, and hasnt ben up on me after a day of usage.
-nil
 
Salabim said:
Go Paiste!!! All the way!!!

The only Zildjian i bought sounds like a bloody pizza dish!!!

Tim
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Hahahaha!!!!

That sounds like MY line! Hahahaha
Do all Tim's prefer Paiste?!

Tim
 
I have the same Zildjian cymbals that I've been using for the last 20 some odd years. The problem isn't Zildjian it's the fact that all the instrument companies make these crappy discount products now.
When I started playing 30 yrs ago companies like Zildjian and Ludwig and Gretsch only had one model and it was their best. Now to compete with each other they all have to make their crappy knockoffs!

Example:
Zildjian ZBT
Paiste 404
Ludwig Rockers
Squire Strats
Epiphone Les Pauls
Pearl Export
and so on.

When you buy this garbage keep in mind it's not what the company strived for, it's just some cheap junk they had to put on the market to stay competitive!
I've owned 3 Paiste 404's that I shattered like dinner plates!

Bottom line is if you don't spend the extra cash (and beleive me I know the prices are ridiculous) on their top of the line stuff...don't expect too much.
 
RichB said:
I have the same Zildjian cymbals that I've been using for the last 20 some odd years. The problem isn't Zildjian it's the fact that all the instrument companies make these crappy discount products now.
When I started playing 30 yrs ago companies like Zildjian and Ludwig and Gretsch only had one model and it was their best. Now to compete with each other they all have to make their crappy knockoffs!

When you buy this garbage keep in mind it's not what the company strived for, it's just some cheap junk they had to put on the market to stay competitive!
I've owned 3 Paiste 404's that I shattered like dinner plates!

Bottom line is if you don't spend the extra cash (and believe me I know the prices are ridiculous) on their top of the line stuff...don't expect too much.
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Where Zildjian screwed up, was in deleting the Amir budget line of cymbals; the Amir line was around in the early to mid 1980's, and you know what-they sounded really good.
They were like the Paiste Alpha series, and the Sabian B8/Pro series. They ARE "budget" cymbals (meaning it's a bit cheaper metal formula, and less hammering/polishing steps) but still viable instruments.

Anything lower than these cymbal lines, is just a case of throwing money away.

I'll disagree on the Pearl Exports. The shells are fine-it's the hardware that's garbage.
I've heard Pearl's export's sound batter than some other "name" brands in regards to tone.

No, I don't use exports-Pearl wouldn't make me 28" kicks-I asked! Hahahaha


These companies need to recognize this:
Form vs. Function.
The #1 selling kit in the world is the Pearl Export.
Why? because it's cheap, sounds decent, and pretty durable.

Ludwig has got to face the fact that they are not going to be DW-because they gave up the market that DW now has.

For ages LUDWIG was it! If you didn't play Ludwigs, your set was considered junk locally-that's just the way it was.

They need to make a Line for Profesional Musicians.
And they need to make a line for Club Musicians.

These are two different things.
A guy playing in clubs on the weekends for $50 a night is NOT a Professional Musician, and can not afford to fork over $3,500 for a 4 or 5 piece drumkit. That's just a fact of life-plus, it's stupid to put that kind of money into something of that nature.

Tim
 
I agree with all your points Tim, and Ludwig lost it when they started to lean towards school marching band percussion and orchestral stuff. They do make decent professional kits but as you said the prices are ridiculous.

As far as cymbals go, I would just rather spend the money up front then settle for a lower model that I have to keep replaceing due to warps and bell cracks. Like I said early the Zildjians I have I've been using for over 20 yrs without any problem.
 
Tim Brown wrote:

>>A guy playing in clubs on the weekends for $50 a night is NOT a Professional Musician, and can not afford to fork over $3,500 for a 4 or 5 piece drumkit. That's just a fact of life-plus, it's stupid to put that kind of money into something of that nature.<<

OK, call me stupid then. :) I spent over $3,000 on my 4 piece Gretsch Broadkaster kit and I do not make anywhere close to all of my living as a musician. In fact, I'm not even a drummer, I'm a guitar player, engineer and songwriter who plays a bit of drums.

So why did I do this, you ask? I admit, I am crazy. But, the answer is that when I record, I want the drums to sound incredible, and this kit sounds in the studio exactly the way I want it to sound. I find it kind of funny that people are willing to spend a couple of grand apiece on killer mic pre's and maybe as much on the best microphones, all so they can record a crappy sounding drum kit. Instead, I spent $3,000+ on the drum kit and now all I have to do is throw a couple of SM-57's and a couple of $200 CAD E-100 mics in front of it and my drum tracks sound great. Hmmmm...

Another advantage of having done this is that I never have any trouble convincing any of my favorite drummers in town to come over and record with me! They don't have to schlep their equipment over, and they certainly enjoy playing on my kit.

So, when I first bought the kit I thought I it was kind of a nutty thing to do, and certainly a very purist snob thing to do. :) It was definitely a purely artistic decision. But now I feel it has actually made a lot of sense economically for my particular situation.

--Lee
 
get some z customs,..they'll last forever

I've got some zildjian Z customs,
also, some A and K customs that sound excellent,
and I BEAT the piss out of 'em!
no cracks, keyholing, or flipflop ever.
 
Well parts of it turned inside out. Cymbals have parts? :confused:
 
Greg_L said:
Why do you guys bump a 10 year old thread? :spank:
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Jack was on a mission ... looks liked he got canned and post deleted, though.

And, I was looking forward to a new friendship ....

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I'll be alright ...
 
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