Turd-Polishing: Telecaster Style

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I'm hoping some of you can relate to this. You're in the market for a new guitar, so you do your homework, you play a guitar in-store, and you take it home - everything seems fine and dandy. But after a while you realise that it doesn't feel 100% right. The pickups sound a little bland compared to your other Fenders, the action isn't as low as your mates Les Paul, or maybe the fretwork isn't as tidy as could be. Maybe a number of things come together to prevent what should be a perfectly good guitar from realising it's full potential - and lets face it, as guitarists we can be more than a little neurotic over slight imperfections. The choice then is whether to devote some time and money to correcting these flaws, to “sharpen the sword” so-to-speak, or whether to cut one's losses and relegate the guitar in question to second place, maybe set it up for slide or even salvage it for parts.

In my case, the instrument in question is a MIM Nashville Deluxe Tele. It's about two years old and in my opinion, has never been able to hold its own when compared with cheaper Asian electrics of a similar spec. At the time, I had no misgivings about Mexican Fenders, and I liked the idea of a third pickup (fast-forward a couple of years and I am now very skeptical of MIMs, though my overall impression is based on sampling numerous makes and models, not just this troublesome Tele). I have decided that, in order for this Tele to see the light of day, some changes will have to be made.

In reality, and from a purely financial standpoint, this project probably isn't the economically viable. With the money spent on upgrades, I would, in hindsight, have been better off buying a high-spec US model on day one. However, I hope this little project will provide me with a better understanding of what constitutes a 'great' guitar, and whether high-quality after-market additions can compensate for what I consider a sub-par 'stock' instrument. It'll also represent my first attempts at upgrading or modding, though admittedly, a tech will probably do most of the work.

Here's what I don't like about the guitar at present:

Action: Nothing massively wrong with the string-height, although full-tone bends can sound rough, almost as it there's a buzz mid-bend. Solution is a plain-old set-up, should be okay.

String-spacing: This is annoying. I think the nut has been cut sloppily from a spacing perspective, as even well-executed double-stops played on the B and E strings tend to cause the E to slip over the edge of the fingerboard. Visually, the slot for the high E seems much too close to the edge of the board.

Output Jack: Loose. An easy enough fix though, with a little bending.

Saddles: Not happy with the aesthetics. The chrome plating has rusted and flaked in no time at all. Again, easily fixed. This will go hand-in-hand with the set-up.

Pickups: nice enough sound from the Texas Specials, though the Strat pup leaves me a little cold. Think I'll splash out on some Bare Knuckle Country Boys and a Sultans Strat pup.

I'll post some pics later to give you a better idea of what needs to be done.
 
I've done tons of guitar set ups as a tech over the years................
if your only so so about the guitar, save your money........and get one that does what u want it to do. If the guitar has what you want, i.e. sounds good etc, and u just want to tweak it and make it a bit more playable that's awesome and go for it. One thing too many people do it try to majorly change the character sound of a guitar and no matter how much money you throw at it pickups etc......won't change the wood/finish the guitars made out of. that's just my two cents................
 
Hey TP,

The only thing there that isn't easily taken care of is the string spacing.

Get hold of a decent steel rule and let me know what the string spacing is from the edge of the string to the edge of the board at the nut and then at the 12th. It may be that you have problem with neck alignment. Not uncommon on bolt on necks or Fenders of all pedigree's.
 
I've done tons of guitar set ups as a tech over the years................
if your only so so about the guitar, save your money........and get one that does what u want it to do. If the guitar has what you want, i.e. sounds good etc, and u just want to tweak it and make it a bit more playable that's awesome and go for it. One thing too many people do it try to majorly change the character sound of a guitar and no matter how much money you throw at it pickups etc......won't change the wood/finish the guitars made out of. that's just my two cents................

Can't argue with a thing you've written there, and I appreciate that there's no point in throwing good money after bad. However, both MIM Telecasters and the majority USA Telecasters use the same tone wood, specifically that of alder. I'm not trying to change the fundamental snappy tone of a telecaster to the dark, mahogany-sustain of a Les Paul. I own an American Tele and love the sound, so i'd happy if this MIM ends up sounding on a par after a little work.
 
Hey TP,

The only thing there that isn't easily taken care of is the string spacing.

Get hold of a decent steel rule and let me know what the string spacing is from the edge of the string to the edge of the board at the nut and then at the 12th. It may be that you have problem with neck alignment. Not uncommon on bolt on necks or Fenders of all pedigree's.

So you're saying the problem may not be the nut, but the neck? When you say it can't 'easily been taken care of', just by way of clarification: I wasn't going to attempt to rectify this myself! :D

Which string should I measure the distance from? If the neck is mis-aligned, is this fixable?
 
So you're saying the problem may not be the nut, but the neck? When you say it can't 'easily been taken care of', just by way of clarification: I wasn't going to attempt to rectify this myself! :D
It may not be. If the string is too close to the edge of the fingerboard as you suggest it can be down to one of three things. The way the nut is cut, the position of the bridge or string spacing at the bridge , or the alignment of the neck.

Which string should I measure the distance from? If the neck is mis-aligned, is this fixable?
Whichever string you think is too lose to the edge of the f'b. It is fixable.
 
It may not be. If the string is too close to the edge of the fingerboard as you suggest it can be down to one of three things. The way the nut is cut, the position of the bridge or string spacing at the bridge , or the alignment of the neck.

Cool, I'll measure from that pesky high E. Will you be able to tell from the result which of the three variables is causing the issue?
 
Cool, I'll measure from that pesky high E. Will you be able to tell from the result which of the three variables is causing the issue?

Possibly.....

Measure the string spacing as well and the string to edge on the low E for good measure.
 
Does this mean you'll have a set of Texas Specials for sale?

I've got a Squire (Affinity) tele that I love the neck on, but the pickups and electronics kinda suck. I'm not really a tele guy, sound-wise, at least not the clean sounds.
 
Does this mean you'll have a set of Texas Specials for sale?

I've got a Squire (Affinity) tele that I love the neck on, but the pickups and electronics kinda suck. I'm not really a tele guy, sound-wise, at least not the clean sounds.

Yep, if all goes to plan! If everything works out (and that's a pretty big 'if' at the moment!), I'd be happy to let them go for the cost of postage. Are you UK or US?
 
Possibly.....

Measure the string spacing as well and the string to edge on the low E for good measure.

lol lik good on Multi butt lik its teh hiygh E not teh lowe E lol thaks for yoor suport!

(Sorry, had to get that out my system. Thanks for the pointer, I'll measure the string to fretboard distance at the nut and at the twelvth on both strings. And I'll also measure the nut spacing generally.
 
Heya Muttley,

Measurements are as follows, rounded to the nearest half a millimetre - you'll have to consider them approximations as my measuring devices are fairly rudimentary:

Low E - String to Edge of Fingerboard:

At nut: 3mm
At 12th Fret: 3mm

High E - String to Edge of Fingerboard

At nut: 2mm
At 12th fret: 2mm (approx)

(Not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing?)

String spacing at the nut:

E-A: 8mm
A-D: 7.5mm
D-G: 6.5mm
G-B: 7mm
B-E: 7.5mm

Maybe that'll shed some light on the proceedings. On the plus side, I have fixed the loose output jack (very proud of myself in this regard, first hardware fix I've ever undertaken) and 32-20 Blues has fitted new graphite saddles and has done a nice setup too. Please excuse the poor picture quality, taken with a P&S:

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Muttley, you mightn't be able to see from that pic but the saddles aren't spread evenly across the bridge; for instance, there's a gap of about 3mm between the low E saddle and the lip of the bridge, whereas the high E saddle is pushed right up against it's lip. Again, not really sure how normal this is - they're not Fender saddles.

As always mate, your help is very much appreciated, and I'll certainly take heed of whatever you have to say.
 
Do you mean that the saddle on the high E is very close to the edge of the bridge base plate? If so that points to a slight problem with the neck alignment ie it is not perfectly centred relative to the bridge.

Those measurements don't appear to be overly bad. I like a little more than that but it's not essential. A fender radius can make things a little trickeir when pulling off the high E but thats a technique thing as well.

What is the overall string span high to low E nut and saddle. I'll compare to some of my notes in the workshop in the morning.
 
Do you mean that the saddle on the high E is very close to the edge of the bridge base plate? If so that points to a slight problem with the neck alignment ie it is not perfectly centred relative to the bridge.

Those measurements don't appear to be overly bad. I like a little more than that but it's not essential. A fender radius can make things a little trickeir when pulling off the high E but thats a technique thing as well.

What is the overall string span high to low E nut and saddle. I'll compare to some of my notes in the workshop in the morning.

Appreciate it Mutt. Just to put the high E issue into perspective; if I play the chorus lick in Jeff Beck's "people get ready", and apply some finger vibrato to the 17th fret on the high, it falls off the fingerboard.

Overall measurements, string to string at nut: 3.7cm approx.

Overall measurements, string to string at bridge: 5.75cm approx.

With regard to the distribution of the saddles, I've attached a picture below. You'll see that while there's a gap on the left hand side, the righter-most sadle is flush against the wall of the bridge plate.

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Yep, if all goes to plan! If everything works out (and that's a pretty big 'if' at the moment!), I'd be happy to let them go for the cost of postage. Are you UK or US?

US. Let me know what your plans are. I hope your situation is salvagable. I'd like to just use my neck on a different body to make a tele-partscaster, but that's beyond my skills and budget at this point. So I'll live with the ugly blue for a while longer, like maybe years.:o
 
Just throwing it out there, but those saddles don't look like they are helping. It might be a camera trick, but looks like your intonation bolts are splayed out on an angle (when they would normally be a relatively straight pull). The sides of the bridge don't really matter that much because they're kinda out of the equation, but those saddles look too wide for that bridge (or rather, too wide to fit comfortably side by side, which is skewing your string spacing)

How do the strings look at the neck heel?? Can you take an overhead shot of the guitar?
 
I was about to say the same thing. It's like they're the incorrect saddles for that bridge.
 
The bridge saddles don't look right, which can happen with some Fenders. I found that out trying to put DiMarzio Brass Strat saddles on a Tele Deluxe, the Tele saddles were narrow enough that I couldn't even get the B and E saddles to thread up.
 
Well that's annoying - I purposefully bought the vintage-saddles because that's what were on the guitar previously. I'll dig out the pack to make sure I havn't made a mistake and that they're not for a Strat or something. Damn it. Can't really ask my bro to do another set-up; it'd kill him!

On the plus side, we are getting closer to the crux of the issue here - do I give a tech a blank cheque and tell him to do whatever needs to be done to get it playing well, or do I cut my losses? Decisions, decisions.
 
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