Chipped My Nut!

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Something has just occured to me. If saddle offset is exclusively determined by the act of pushing down the string to the fret, then intonation offset would be a function of string height and action. I typicaly have very low action on my guitars, yet the saddle offset seems pretty typical for even a high action guitar with the same size strings. Experiment: I take my 2 LP's and leave one with low action and raise the action on the other. Then I reintonate. If offset is only because of strings being pushed down, then the 2 guitars should have different offset lengths.
VP
 
Zaphod B said:
The person that asserts something as fact (as you did when you claimed that there is a "theoretical dead spot" next to the saddle contact point) bears the burden of proof.
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Let's use a different assertion:

I say "Victory Pete was convicted of raping his daughter."

VP says, "No, I wasn't. Prove it."

I say, "Prove me wrong."

VP, in your opinion, who has the correct side of the argument in this case?
 
Zaphod B said:
You need to understand something here.

The person that asserts something as fact (as you did when you claimed that there is a "theoretical dead spot" next to the saddle contact point) bears the burden of proof.

The person asking you to provide proof is under no burden to disprove the original assertion.

If you cannot back up a statement of "fact" with evidence, then it remains an untested hypothesis and its validity is indeterminate. Story over.
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Is this some kind of courtroom?
VP
 
Victory Pete said:
Can you prove me wrong?
VP
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Google a few articles on basic physics and vibration theory.
I'm not gonna do it for you because I don't care whether you believe it or not.

As zaphod said ...... you don't seem stupid ....... just stubborn and defensive.
It's really your choice ....... clearly fewer and fewer people are reading your posts for any reason other than to laugh at them.

You can try to learn or you can continue to slide into irrelevance and probably eventually be hounded off the board altogether ..........

I can sincerely say I'd hate for that to happen ....... you do seem to have some of the qualities that we like around here ....... a passion for the guitar being one of them.
But when people like muttley or light, who have decades of quality instrument building under their belts ..... or me who has the same although more applied to rebuilding pianos for 35 years, try to tell you something, you have yet to show any ability to even consider that input.
You made the comment to muttley that anyone might occasionally be right about something, you do the same thing with refusing to consider anything at all contrary to your views.

And some of the admittedly novel theories you come up with are contradicted by basic physics. I was an aerospace engineering major although I never worked in that field. Went into music instead, but I did learn basic physics (and more actually) during that time and some of your thoughts, while interesting, are just wrong unless everything they've been teaching in college all these years is crap.

You want an easy way to gain some cred?
Post some of that 'majic' you do with your fingers or some clips of those 'amazing' sounding guitars you have.
If you play well enough, you can get away with being a bit cosmic in other areas.
 
TeyshaBlue said:
When you state a "fact" that you cannot substantiate to any objective degree, then the usage of the word fact is indeed a lie. You would probably call it "theoretically possible" thereby not false. That form of rationalization is a lie and a deceit at the most base level. Figure it out. It aint rocket science.
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Isnt that called faith or maybe an imagination? It is not a lie. Okay so I dont start every sentence with "I believe" or "It seems to me" or "I feel". You are just like the other loyal nitpickers.
VP
 
Victory Pete said:
Something has just occured to me. If saddle offset is exclusively determined by the act of pushing down the string to the fret, then intonation offset would be a function of string height and action. I typicaly have very low action on my guitars, yet the saddle offset seems pretty typical for even a high action guitar with the same size strings. Experiment: I take my 2 LP's and leave one with low action and raise the action on the other. Then I reintonate. If offset is only because of strings being pushed down, then the 2 guitars should have different offset lengths.
VP
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Didn't say that was the only reason. Go back and reread the post.
The bigger reason is the different diameters of the strings mean that you get different ratios of mass to length when you fret them.
That's why you have to re-intonate when you change string gauges even though you don't change the string height.
 
Victory Pete said:
Isnt that called faith or maybe an imagination? It is not a lie. Okay so I dont start every sentence with "I believe" or "It seems to me" or "I feel". You are just like the other loyal nitpickers.
VP
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No I'm not. I'll call bullshit everytime I see it. Loyal :rolleyes:....in your own mind maybe.

I'm not a nitpicker, but I am an analyst and understand the value of accuracy in expression.

When you call it a FACT when it actually is faith or imagination, then you are creating a falsehood. When you do that knowingly and willingly, which appears to be the case here, then you are lying. End of discussion.
 
Btw if you did start off with "It seems to me", or "In my opinion" or "I think"....you'll catch a helluva lot less grief around here. IJS
 
Lt. Bob said:
Didn't say that was the only reason. Go back and reread the post.
The bigger reason is the different diameters of the strings mean that you get different ratios of mass to length when you fret them.
That's why you have to re-intonate when you change string gauges even though you don't change the string height.
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So you are saying there is absolutely no such thing as I propose as the point of contact drifting a bit because of the larger and stiffer string? You know all of the physics involved? You are so sure of this? No possability whatsoever?
VP
I have had some physics courses myself when I studied Electrical and Electronics Technology. I actually love physics and science. That is what I like about this whole Forum, It is all art and science.
 
Victory Pete said:
So you are saying there is absolutely no such thing as I propose as the point of contact drifting a bit because of the larger and stiffer string? You know all of the physics involved? You are so sure of this? No possability whatsoever?
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Yes I am saying this as a fact. Am I lying?
 
The sun is made of flaming beagle farts.

Prove me wrong!
 
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