Art tube MP vs Studio V3?

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DrewPeterson7 said:
It seems to me that this isn't a debate about the relative merits of a particular preamp anymore...
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It has alot to do with someones integrity...I try to help people steer away from making bad gear buying mistakes.

Somewhere a salespig sold Earl on some cheap garbage that I wouldnt wish on even him...and he thinks that since he is using it that its the best thing since sliced bread...He even spams here...this man has no honor and isnt into helping anybody...he just wants to validate himself and his bad purchases by trying to sell others on products he's bought while only being at this a few months.
 
darrin_h2000 said:
It has alot to do with someones integrity...I try to help people steer away from making bad gear buying mistakes.

Somewhere a salespig sold Earl on some cheap garbage that I wouldnt wish on even him...and he thinks that since he is using it that its the best thing since sliced bread...He even spams here...this man has no honor and isnt into helping anybody...he just wants to validate himself and his bad purchases by trying to sell others on products he's bought while only being at this a few months.
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WTF are you talking about you idiot...you have never even used the item Im talking about (and as if I recommend it let alone spam)..you cannot find one bad review or customer comment on the tube MP PROJECT, we all know this because you've been challenged to before.. I even say that i cant speak about the tube MP as Ive never tried it..just as you have never tried the PROJECT


why do you suddenly and inexplicably have an inability to comprehend English when people disagree with you..I really wanted to keep insults to the cave but since your post calling me a clown you obviously have no problems with it out on the forums..so here goes

you are an opinionated fool
you talk the same crap over and over again
other than one other individual on the site I cant think of anyone thought of less than, or disliked as widely as you..a standing joke with many in the backroom forums
you have no integrity...

here's my advice to anyone...do exactly the opposite of what dipshit proposes and chances are it will be the right choice


for the OP..Id go with the V3 studio...the ART MP is old technology and has been known to be noisy..the V3 is better technology

from sound on sound (not some dipshit from anytown USA)

I found the ART Tube MP Studio V3 to be a versatile and sweet-sounding little mic preamp/DI box. While it might not have the finesse of some of the more up-market, elite models that use high-voltage tube circuitry, it is rather nicer than the preamps found in most small mixers, and tonally a lot more versatile. I'm not a big fan of presets, but these do the job well without detracting from the musicality of the sound, and there's enough choice to suit just about anything you might want to record.

Low-voltage tube circuits like this don't offer the same flavour of warmth as high-voltage designs, but the results here are still very musical and don't tend to go muddy as some low-voltage designs do. I think the Tube MP Studio V3 would make a great companion for a digital desktop studio, where its high output drive capability and tonal versatility should help the user inject a little welcome character into the recorded sound
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dopey_h2000 said:
...and he is anti-American too.
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hahahaha priceless...lucky all the Brits gave me good rep
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what a fricken loser
 
Darrin/Wayne,

Seriously dude...even a broken clock is right twice a day. Think about it.

Behringer makes SOME crap, so does ART. But you make yourself out to be some expert and then throw out blanket statements and generalizations that do more harm than good.

Do you know how many really accomplished home recordists here use the ART MPA Gold? One of the best bang for the buck preamps out there--performs way beyond it's price class.

And what about the Behri ADA8000, or the V-Verb pro? Again, great bang for the buck tools--and exactly what the doctor ordered for a lot of home recorders.

Both of those are in my rack. You think if I posted my tunes you could tell which tracks passed through 'em?

You keep raggin' on the same issues, and you don't allow for any possibility that you might be wrong. To a newb, that might you look like an "expert" (perish the thought), but to folks who know better, me included, you look like a blowhard.

And don't come back with "hey I'm just trying to save people from buying crap" like you're the big hero of the BBS. If I hear that again, I'm gonna kick kcearl's dog. Newsflash--some folks are gonna buy crap, and some cheap stuff isn't crap at all.

Remember--you're the guy who told some kid not to buy anything, but to spend his money on his pro studio time instead. Yeah, maybe for drum tracks on an important project, or really pro vox for a potential release--but this was a kid looking for a cheap way to start recording at home--to learn about it! That's exactly what this site is about! But your attitude is more like "just give up. you can't do it cheap or right."

They gotta start somewhere--and the goal isn't to condescend and discourage. It's to help 'em start.
 
WhiteStrat said:
Darrin/Wayne,

Seriously dude...even a broken clock is right twice a day. Think about it.

Behringer makes SOME crap, so does ART. But you make yourself out to be some expert and then throw out blanket statements and generalizations that do more harm than good.

Do you know how many really accomplished home recordists here use the ART MPA Gold? One of the best bang for the buck preamps out there--performs way beyond it's price class.

And what about the Behri ADA8000, or the V-Verb pro? Again, great bang for the buck tools--and exactly what the doctor ordered for a lot of home recorders.

Both of those are in my rack. You think if I posted my tunes you could tell which tracks passed through 'em?

You keep raggin' on the same issues, and you don't allow for any possibility that you might be wrong. To a newb, that might you look like an "expert" (perish the thought), but to folks who know better, me included, you look like a blowhard.

And don't come back with "hey I'm just trying to save people from buying crap" like you're the big hero of the BBS. If I hear that again, I'm gonna kick kcearl's dog. Newsflash--some folks are gonna buy crap, and some cheap stuff isn't crap at all.

Remember--you're the guy who told some kid not to buy anything, but to spend his money on his pro studio time instead. Yeah, maybe for drum tracks on an important project, or really pro vox for a potential release--but this was a kid looking for a cheap way to start recording at home--to learn about it! That's exactly what this site is about! But your attitude is more like "just give up. you can't do it cheap or right."

They gotta start somewhere--and the goal isn't to condescend and discourage. It's to help 'em start.
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Dont bother White Strat..

hes posted my reverb nation link to show I have no fans (its in my sig line) which is verging on stalkingly hilarious


and now he's accusing me of posting someone else's recordings..I mean they're not even that good..its unbelievable...never have I come across such a sordid bitter little individual..no wonder many here despise him :(
 
WhiteStrat said:
Darrin/Wayne,

Remember--you're the guy who told some kid not to buy anything, but to spend his money on his pro studio time instead. Yeah, maybe for drum tracks on an important project, or really pro vox for a potential release--but this was a kid looking for a cheap way to start recording at home--to learn about it! That's exactly what this site is about! But your attitude is more like "just give up. you can't do it cheap or right."

They gotta start somewhere--and the goal isn't to condescend and discourage. It's to help 'em start.
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Sometimes that is the best advice you can give someone...you and I both know that this is a very expensive hobbie there is no cheap way to get pro results...and if I recall he only had $150...and you should be commited to it if you want to start building a home studio...if all you want to do is finish a little project or just record yourself then you should leave that to a professional...that would have given him the results for that money.

Telling people that they should start a plumbing buisness is bad advice if they are asking you how to stop a drip in thier fawcett...sometimes you just tell them to call a plumber....think about it.
 
darrin_h2000 said:
Sometimes that is the best advice you can give someone...you and I both know that this is a very expensive hobbie there is no cheap way to get pro results...and if I recall he only had $150...and you should be commited to it if you want to start building a home studio...if all you want to do is finish a little project or just record yourself then you should leave that to a professional...that would have given him the results for that money.

Telling people that they should start a plumbing buisness is bad advice if they are asking you how to stop a drip in thier fawcett...sometimes you just tell them to call a plumber....think about it.
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well no one mentions $150 here..the OP asks which one..MP or V3..

so maybe...just maybe... you should have shut that gaping wound of a mouth
 
darrin_h2000 said:
Sometimes that is the best advice you can give someone...you and I both know that this is a very expensive hobbie there is no cheap way to get pro results...and if I recall he only had $150...and you should be commited to it if you want to start building a home studio...if all you want to do is finish a little project or just record yourself then you should leave that to a professional...that would have given him the results for that money.

Telling people that they should start a plumbing buisness is bad advice if they are asking you how to stop a drip in thier fawcett...sometimes you just tell them to call a plumber....think about it.
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Your plumbing analogy fails. He wasn't asking how to start a business. He was asking how to start recording. Yes, his expectations need to tempered, but for $150, I'd take him to the music store myself and get him started. Because years ago--that's where I was. And if the only advice I got was "forget it. pay the pros" I wouldn't be where I am.

Once again, you're demonstrating your inability to admit that just maybe you were wrong. That's the thing that turns me off the most about you. Bad advice is one thing--but most folks will catch themselves and say "oh yeah, I hadn't thought of it that way" when they hear a valid but opposing viewpoint. But you just dig your heels in deeper, stick your fingers in your ears and say "Neener neener boo boo. I'm right!!"
 
Replace the tubes

I've got the Tube MP and the Tube MP Studio, and they both rose above the cringe floor after I replaced the tube with a good quality tube. Maybe $12 each.
 
WhiteStrat said:
Because years ago--that's where I was. And if the only advice I got was "forget it. pay the pros" I wouldn't be where I am.
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Likewise. Were it not for cheap gear, I would not have been able to make a start. Over the years I've learned why it was cheap. Some of it has broken and been replaced. Some bits are still going. My first car was a heap of junk. It was all I could afford. But with it I got my licence and acquired driving skills. About seven or eight cars later I've got something that's far more safe, powerful, capacious and economical. I don't regret the money spent on interim steps . . . because that's how you gain experience.
 
WhiteStrat said:
Your plumbing analogy fails. He wasn't asking how to start a business. He was asking how to start recording. Yes, his expectations need to tempered, but for $150, I'd take him to the music store myself and get him started. Because years ago--that's where I was. And if the only advice I got was "forget it. pay the pros" I wouldn't be where I am.
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And where are you now?...the analogy only fails unless you are trying to sell him something that still wouldnt have that man closer to finishing his project until he gets past the learning curve of using the software...treating his room...maxing out his credit cards on Neve pre's...Interfaces...Neumann Mics...computers...programs...etc.

Mine had put all those tools in front of him for the $150 with someone who knew what they were doing handling it all for them...he only wanted to do a few tracks after all and wanted pro results...

...some need to be steered in the right direction...this isnt for everybodys situation...and if you figure that out...you would be a better friend to them too.
 
gecko zzed said:
Likewise. Were it not for cheap gear, I would not have been able to make a start. Over the years I've learned why it was cheap. Some of it has broken and been replaced. Some bits are still going. My first car was a heap of junk. It was all I could afford. But with it I got my licence and acquired driving skills. About seven or eight cars later I've got something that's far more safe, powerful, capacious and economical. I don't regret the money spent on interim steps . . . because that's how you gain experience.
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You can actually get better gear for the same price's....this area used to be a place where you can find out the truth about stuff before you spent you own money...that is why we want to help...because of all the broken stuff we bought and learned from...we need to pass on that info so others dont have to learn the hard way.
 
darrin_h2000 said:
And where are you now?...the analogy only fails unless you are trying to sell him something that still wouldnt have that man closer to finishing his project until he gets past the learning curve of using the software...treating his room...maxing out his credit cards on Neve pre's...Interfaces...Neumann Mics...computers...programs...etc.

Mine had put all those tools in front of him for the $150 with someone who knew what they were doing handling it all for them...he only wanted to do a few tracks after all and wanted pro results...

...some need to be steered in the right direction...this isnt for everybodys situation...and if you figure that out...you would be a better friend to them too.
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I actually think that you are trying to help some..but you are so far up your own arse at times you have lost sight of what this website is all about..and by your attacks in the last few posts you have shown that you don't even understand its ethos

you like to help people not for their sake but to make yourself feel more important..I dont mind exchanges with name calling, even the personal stuff I can take..your not an intellectual giant so I understand you have to use the tools you've got..but I think you have some serious issue outside of this forum..whether it be personal or work, that forces you to behave this way..

its transferral..it wont fix whatever's broken..Id advise you to take a couple of steps back and analyse what you gain in all this...at the end of the day you are probably doing your self image more harm than good
 
darrin_h2000 said:
You can actually get better gear for the same price's....this area used to be a place where you can find out the truth about stuff before you spent you own money...that is why we want to help...because of all the broken stuff we bought and learned from...we need to pass on that info so others dont have to learn the hard way.
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you've tried the V3 studio? or the Project? when did you buy the MP that failed you so badly?
 
darrin_h2000 said:
And where are you now?...the analogy only fails unless you are trying to sell him something that still wouldnt have that man closer to finishing his project until he gets past the learning curve of using the software...treating his room...maxing out his credit cards on Neve pre's...Interfaces...Neumann Mics...computers...programs...etc.

Mine had put all those tools in front of him for the $150 with someone who knew what they were doing handling it all for them...he only wanted to do a few tracks after all and wanted pro results...

...some need to be steered in the right direction...this isnt for everybodys situation...and if you figure that out...you would be a better friend to them too.
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You know where he is now. Don't be an arrogant ass. He's on this bbs with some solid recordings and some good advice.
Pro Studios are nice. I've owned 2 of them.
They are not the end all and be all of recording. Part of the learning curve is making equipment perform...tweaking and discovering limitations. I used to monitor with $50 Sony bookshelf speakers. But I knew them, and they translated well. They were better for my ears than the NS10's I used for years thereafter before I moved on to others.
One of the better acoustic guitar recordings I captured was using a Peavy Lav mic taped to a pencil...cause that was all I had at the time....but I learned how to tweak that mic...and only later discovered that there were actual techniques with real names that described what I thought I discovered.
Over the years I've found any number of cheapo pieces of gear that performed beautifully while the "Pro Studio Owners (:rolleyes:)" would ridicule them. Finally, I took an old BBE 802 and a Behringer Edison and put them in a 4 rack space case. Dropped a patch bay below them, and covered the fronts of the units. I made the adjustments to both units so that the effect would be extremely subtle. I took that into a "Pro" studio where I had a buddy that was an engineer. I told him to patch that into the main buss of his SSL and tell me what I had in the box.
"I don't know what's in there, but it sounds beautiful. I hear some top end processing and the soundfield is incredibly detailed." He nearly threw up when I took the front cover off.
But he had an Edison in the rack the following week.

darrin_h2000 said:
You can actually get better gear for the same price's....this area used to be a place where you can find out the truth about stuff before you spent you own money...that is why we want to help...because of all the broken stuff we bought and learned from...we need to pass on that info so others dont have to learn the hard way.
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That's exactly what Whitestrat was doing. Passing on info, instead of pissing on it. Take notes.
 
darrin_h2000 said:
And where are you now?...the analogy only fails unless you are trying to sell him something that still wouldnt have that man closer to finishing his project until he gets past the learning curve of using the software...treating his room...maxing out his credit cards on Neve pre's...Interfaces...Neumann Mics...computers...programs...etc.

Mine had put all those tools in front of him for the $150 with someone who knew what they were doing handling it all for them...he only wanted to do a few tracks after all and wanted pro results...

...some need to be steered in the right direction...this isnt for everybodys situation...and if you figure that out...you would be a better friend to them too.
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You're digging those heels in again! For the sake of our home audience, I'll respond yet again:

Where am I now? You wanna know where I am? I'm sitting right in the middle of a room full of gear beyond my wildest imagination. 20 guitars and a half dozen amps (which I play), killer drums & percussion (which I don't play!) 4 or 5 keyboards (which I play half-assed), racks full of preamps and outboard gear, dozens of mics (like at least 60 or 70), and all managed by a healthy dose of nice 703 panels and traps.

GUESS WHAT (drum roll please...) I don't make a nickel off any of it!!! I do it because I love it! I'm a musician first, and I wanted to convey my own musical vision, so I needed to learn to record.

GUESS WHAT ELSE: I wasn't born with all this crap. I started out with a single mic and the pre in my interface. AND I LOVED IT! My recordings were way better than the recordings I made before I had them--which were...oh yeah...nothing! Because I didn't have a mic and an interface.

So I was in heaven. And when I felt I had embraced the learning curve and maxed out the potential of that simple set up, I expanded. Then I repeated the process--over and over. And I got better at recording at each step along the way.

To call it a hobby is a disservice; it's obviously a passion. And it was a passion when all I had was a mic and a cheap interface. I didn't know how expensive it was back then--but that's a good thing. I didn't need to be scared away. I needed to be drawn in, to take baby steps, and spend the money to get to the next level only when my knowledge and skills warranted it.

You're right, $150 won't buy Neve pres and Nuemann mics and a bunch of high end software and a room full of traps and diffusors. But that's not what someone needs to get started. What's so hard to understand about that?

And if that guy took your advice and got what he wanted out of a studio, more power to him--and to you. Hell, I hope he came to your studio!

But I'm here because it's homerecording.com. So you'll have to forgive me if I actually bother to show folks how to do what I've done in the past few years.

EDIT: I'm done listening to you repeat yourself--hell, I'm done listening to me repeat myself. Don't bother replying. I'll be there to intervene when you condescend to and discourage newbs because they don't have Nuemanns and Neves, but I'm done arguing with you.
 
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