need help peeps

[RAMI]

well iv sized up everythin after doina studio plan

it looks as if jus the materials them selves are gunna cost me $900 which is fine by me

is dat about right for a room 11x 8 ft

basically takin the floor up , putting acoustic foam inbetween the joists, putting it back down then using acoustic underlay and wooden flooring

then building a frame with acoustic foam all around the room and doubling up on acoustic plaster board

once the room is sound proofed i can concerntrate on building my recording booth which is only going to be a small one either 3 x 3 ft or 4 x4 wt ever suits best

does dat sound about right?

Have you read one response in this thread? Or are you just in denial?

What you're describing above isn't going to "sound-proof" anything. You'll probably end up with a better sounding room to record in, but the sound will still escape big time. You're getting sound treatment and sound proofing mixed up.

 

[suprstar]

Nope. Sounds like you're going to waste $900. Good luck.

Yeah, that's what I think too. And that's probably what you'll think too, after you sink all that $$ into it. Hopefully not, give it a shot, it's a learning experience if nothing else. gl,

But drywall is cheap. Messy and a lot of work, but cheap, and it'll help a little.... The floor thing, I think the acoustic underlay will be beneficial somewhat. The foam in the joists, meh, the acoustics in the joist cavities themselves will be great , but won't do much for isolation. "building a frame with acoustic foam all around the room" - ie acoustic panels hung on your double drywall? That will certainly help a lot with the acoustics, but won't do shit for isolation. So it won't be a a total waste, your room will sound better. But if you're expecting isolation you'll be disappointed.

 

[roachy]

ok so how much do you think it would cost to isolate the room people

realy money isnt an object

 

[Massive Master]

If money is truly no object? $100,000. That will make you a room that's nearly completely isolated to the outside world. It wouldn't be very big considering the size the room is now, but you could probably have solid reduction nearly across the spectrum.

Seriously though (although I was being serious)... You need to bring in a consultant of some sort. Don't do it half-assed. Get someone who knows what they're talking about in there to assess the space and find out what you need vs. what your budget is. The couple hundred bucks you spend up front will save you the thousands you'd be in the hole with a single wrong move.

 

[roachy]

hi

manged t speak to a acoutic sund proofing company hu il be workin with

i managed to get 45kg per cubic metre rockwool in the walls and put the silent block boards on the two partiton walls

http://www.acoustic-supplies.com/products/walls/jcw-silent-board.aspx

thats wts gone onto the walls with the frame and the rock wool

http://www.acoustic-supplies.com/products/floors/jcw-impactalay-plus.aspx

thats wts going on the floor

goin on the ceiling
http://www.acoustic-supplies.com/products/ceilings/ceiling-pads.aspx

just need to get the floor down and the final finish of plaster on the plaster boards

if ive gone wrong any wer let me know
il up pics soon

 

[Kingofpain678]

thing is ill be using the room for mixing cds, producin music and recording vox without the neighbours hearind me play loud music

my mum is not the type of person hu enhots hearing music when shes watching tv either lol

so i thought of turning my room into a studio

ok so how much do you think it would cost to isolate the room people

realy money isnt an object

dude im not trying to be mean buuuttt....
1). is your "mum" okay with this??? if so your a very lucky child.

2). if you live in an apartment how in the world could you make it into a studio??? its an apartment...

3). if being in an apartment is giving you noise complaints and money is no object, couldnt you move out of your apartment and move into a small house or something??? or for that matter a big house where noise isnt TOO big of a deal?

4). isnt the owner of the building gonna freak out that your hanging crap on the walls n what not? if i ever moved into an apartment i would start construction on it... that seems like a bit of a waste of money.

5). what are you gonna do if/when you move out? take the walls with you? or just roll the stuff up and hope that it will fit in whatever room you try to make into a studio next?



it REALLY sounds to me like your wasting your money. if your studying at a college and your living in an apartment, now REALLY isnt the best time to be worrying about sound proofing and crazy acoustic treatment.

but then again this is all just my opinion and im an idiot anyways so... do what ya gotta do man.

 

[roachy]

i live in ma mums house

my mum i hardly here and uni is only a walk around the corner

im not lucky she just knows what i need to do to get were i want to go

u get allocated 2 hours per week to use the studio at uni, i dnt think thats enough in my opinion so im doin thi so i cn study at home and produce

 

[RAMI]

I'm assuming you're not majoring in English at uni.

 

[Kingofpain678]

I'm assuming you're not majoring in English at uni.

lol..........

 

[Kingofpain678]

i live in ma mums house

my mum i hardly here and uni is only a walk around the corner

im not lucky she just knows what i need to do to get were i want to go

u get allocated 2 hours per week to use the studio at uni, i dnt think thats enough in my opinion so im doin thi so i cn study at home and produce

well like i said... i think its a bit early in your career to be worrying about crazy construction and treatment. you have to understand that they realize that your not a pro engineer/producer/whatever and thats why your studying at their school.

their not gonna expect super amazing pro recordings from someone who is still a student. thats WHY your a student.

save your money for some good gear or something man. all that treatment isnt gonna help with your neighbor problem so why spend the money?

 

[cantthinkofname]

hi roachy, i think you got the right idea, for some people school just gets in the way, all the time i spent on things just 'about' school, that sucked up my precious time, i could've actually spent it learning. I'm not saying to quit school, i'm just saying i think you have the right idea.

I also have a similar problem, be thankful tho, your house couldn't be as bad as mine, the accoustics are so crazy in it, if someone falls on a rock and stubs their toe 10 blocks away it will literally sound like someone is in my kitchen banging on the door, no lie it's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Everytime a car hits a pothole far away, it sounds like someones breaking into my house. holy shit

so anyways good luck, p.s., i think what they are saying about foam is true, its bad, i recently asked the reason why alot of people think foam is bad in another thread (called 'is foam bad?'), and there is alot of excellent advice there. From what i've found on my own researching, and from what people say here, i'm personally going to use fiberglass not foam when possible.

You are not going to soundproof your room, nor do you want to.

why wouldn't you want to soundproof entirely, would that harm the sound? thanks

 

[roachy]

its not foam btw i just called it foam ... i meant rock wool

ive built a frame filld it with the most dense rock wool i could find wich was 45kg per cubic meter and then putting silent boardon it which is alot more effective than just normal sound proofing plaster board

the impactalay plus for the floor is in effect is like a false floor, i also have the same rockwool to fill the joist with.

thats just the sound proofing side,

the ceiling products im getting for free thats the only bit of treatment i am planning to use

i dnt know the 1st thing about treatment as of yet so il just do that as i learn about it

im allso trying to se the best type of door to use o soundproof need to prurchase one asap

i just wnt as much sound proofing done as posible before i decorate my room basically

i think reading most of your replies you thought i was looking to do some treatment of some sort

anyway the flooring is being done tomorrow and the plastering is bein done thursday

ready to decorate for next week let me know if im still ging wrong or what your not sure on

 

[Bristol Posse]

why wouldn't you want to soundproof entirely, would that harm the sound? thanks

If a room is completely sound proof then the sound can't get out. it just bounces around in there causing major problems especially with the bass frequencies so you end up having no idea whether what you are hearing is what is coming out of your monitors or a huge standing wave building up as waves combine or bass disappearing because waves cancel each other out, flutter echos etc. You mix a track with a big bassline, take it to a buddies house and whoops where's the bass? You mixed it out because you mistook what the room was combining and bouncing back at you for what was coming out of the monitors

 

[Kingofpain678]

its not foam btw i just called it foam ... i meant rock wool

ive built a frame filld it with the most dense rock wool i could find wich was 45kg per cubic meter and then putting silent boardon it which is alot more effective than just normal sound proofing plaster board

the impactalay plus for the floor is in effect is like a false floor, i also have the same rockwool to fill the joist with.

thats just the sound proofing side,

the ceiling products im getting for free thats the only bit of treatment i am planning to use

i dnt know the 1st thing about treatment as of yet so il just do that as i learn about it

im allso trying to se the best type of door to use o soundproof need to prurchase one asap

i just wnt as much sound proofing done as posible before i decorate my room basically

i think reading most of your replies you thought i was looking to do some treatment of some sort

anyway the flooring is being done tomorrow and the plastering is bein done thursday

ready to decorate for next week let me know if im still ging wrong or what your not sure on

oh.... my... god...

 

[cantthinkofname]

ok goodluck roachy

If a room is completely sound proof then the sound can't get out. it just bounces around in there causing major problems especially with the bass frequencies so you end up having no idea whether what you are hearing is what is coming out of your monitors or a huge standing wave building up as waves combine or bass disappearing because waves cancel each other out, flutter echos etc. You mix a track with a big bassline, take it to a buddies house and whoops where's the bass? You mixed it out because you mistook what the room was combining and bouncing back at you for what was coming out of the monitors

thank you, i wanted an entirely soundproof room but suspected it may mess up the sound but didn't know for sure. I am thinking it would be less expensive and smarter since you've pointed out how it will ruin the mix, for me to purchase a very small area in the country and do it there then, instead of trying to soundproof in town.

i liked your song btw, i was just playing some sort of rockabilly something & thinking of steel guitars

 

[roachy]

oh.... my... god...

sorry m8 dont understand wer ive gone wrong eya

ive done everything the soundproofing company has advised

 

[roachy]

I'm assuming you're not majoring in English at uni.

sorry mate but im not the type hu puts efort into grammer in text or the web

 

[Jeff_D]

ive done everything the soundproofing company has advised

By soundproofing company, I assume you mean the salesman that's supplying your material?

Let "uni" teach you something before you toss away your* cash...





*mum's?

 

[Barry B]

Silly question do you live in a house or a flat? if you live in a house and have a garden can you not build a garage/shed of some sorts or get planning permission and do an extension. I'd imagine that'd be cheaper, you'd add value to your mum's house for one and you'd be able in theory to get it right from teh start instead of like these guys are saying spend money doing something to a room which devalues your mum's house and at the end of the day doesn't quite do what you want it to do.

 

[Supercreep]

Pictures, pls