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Would a common noise suppressor work for this? Of course there is only noticeable hiss when the gain is up (still clean though..)

Thanks

-Elliot
 
If you stand exactly 7.38 feet from the amp, with the guitar positioned at an angle of 17 degrees from parallel (with respect to the amp), and tilt the guitar 10 degrees from parallel with the ground, and stand on one foot, the hum will go away.

Or not. :D
 
If you stand exactly 7.38 feet from the amp, with the guitar positioned at an angle of 17 degrees from parallel (with respect to the amp), and tilt the guitar 10 degrees from parallel with the ground, and stand on one foot, the hum will go away.

Or not. :D

Haha, well, I'm willing to try anything....
 
So will a basic suppressor pedal work or no? Seems like it should to me...but I have no idea really.
Sort of sucks if there isn't a pretty easy fix to this...
 
I don't know, Elliot - I've never used one.

But I have found that if there is some distance between the guitar and amp (as opposed to sitting three feet from it) the hum diminishes considerably. I have never found single-coil hum to be an issue in live performance, and if recording I just clean up the silent portions of the guitar tracks. It doesn't take much volume for the signal-to-noise ratio to make the hum virtually undetectable.
 
I don't know, Elliot - I've never used one.

But I have found that if there is some distance between the guitar and amp (as opposed to sitting three feet from it) the hum diminishes considerably. I have never found single-coil hum to be an issue in live performance, and if recording I just clean up the silent portions of the guitar tracks. It doesn't take much volume for the signal-to-noise ratio to make the hum virtually undetectable.

Hmm, well alright. Makes sense. I've been just playing in my dorm room, so I'm always within 5 feet of the amp. Thanks, maybe I'll try out a suppressor pedal sometime.
Thanks again

-Elliot
 
I think a noise suppressor can help, but there are some tigns you can do to avoid the need.

1. Sheild your guitar. google search will give you lots of info, but basically you use heavy duty aluminum foil (or condctive paint) stuff with ground in you your PuP cavity to shield the pickups themselves. Make sure all your electronics use "star grounds".

2. Avoid having the guitar near sources of elecromagnetic interference (computer monitors are a classic home recording source).

3. Upgrade pickups to something that claims to be "noiseless" in my strat i added bill lawrence pickups and they sound good and are really quiet and i never got around to shielding or adding a pedal for the job, they also cost only a bit more than the pedal would have.

daav
 
Good advice, daav.

I think Elliot's guitar has P-90s, and I don't think there are any noiseless P-90s on the market. But the other two suggestions are good.
 
I think a noise suppressor can help, but there are some tigns you can do to avoid the need.

1. Sheild your guitar. google search will give you lots of info, but basically you use heavy duty aluminum foil (or condctive paint) stuff with ground in you your PuP cavity to shield the pickups themselves. Make sure all your electronics use "star grounds".

2. Avoid having the guitar near sources of elecromagnetic interference (computer monitors are a classic home recording source).

3. Upgrade pickups to something that claims to be "noiseless" in my strat i added bill lawrence pickups and they sound good and are really quiet and i never got around to shielding or adding a pedal for the job, they also cost only a bit more than the pedal would have.

daav

Alright, I'll look into shielding. I love the pickup, it sounds amazing, besides the hum, so I'm not going to replace that either..can't afford it anyways.
I'll definitely look into the shielding business, and I'll also work on being away from my amp more.

Thanks for the help!
-Elliot
 
Kudos on the p-90 pickup choice, i love them. I am always terribly surprised that they usually way down the road for most people, as opposed to as common as humbuckers and standard single coils. Good ones do so much for tone by themselves.

What kind of guitar or pickup did you get? The ones that came with my SG Classic have always been really quiet to me as they came out of the box.

Dave
 
Would a common noise suppressor work for this? Of course there is only noticeable hiss when the gain is up (still clean though..)

Thanks

-Elliot

A noise gate will only reduce the noise when you are not playing; it does that by shutting off the signal from your guitar when it falls below a certain threshold. It won't do anything to filter the noise out of your signal while you are playing.
 
A noise gate will only reduce the noise when you are not playing; it does that by shutting off the signal from your guitar when it falls below a certain threshold. It won't do anything to filter the noise out of your signal while you are playing.

True, but for live performances that's probably all he needs. As far as recording goes, as someone mentioned already, you can clean that up with the mouse later.

I myself am a big fan of single coil noise;) kinda gives the guitar some charachter, but to each his own.

I think your new guitar makes up for it in looks:D


Mike
 
I used to - and still do - like throwing the gain onto my Tele in the bridge position. It was very prone to feedback and hum - of course this was only noticeable when I wasn't playing. A noise suppressor really did help me out.
 
I think a noise suppressor can help, but there are some tigns you can do to avoid the need.

1. Sheild your guitar. google search will give you lots of info, but basically you use heavy duty aluminum foil (or condctive paint) stuff with ground in you your PuP cavity to shield the pickups themselves. Make sure all your electronics use "star grounds".

2. Avoid having the guitar near sources of elecromagnetic interference (computer monitors are a classic home recording source).

3. Upgrade pickups to something that claims to be "noiseless" in my strat i added bill lawrence pickups and they sound good and are really quiet and i never got around to shielding or adding a pedal for the job, they also cost only a bit more than the pedal would have.

daav

+1 on the Bill Lawrence pickup, I put one in my Fender Strat in the late 1970's and it took care of the hum-and we were a LOUD band back then. And it still gave a pretty true Fender sound that the original had-(think Richie Blackmore).

Playing that close to the amp will really bring out the hum, I've played a stock Tele at gigs and in a live situation where I'm 8 or 10' from the amp the hum is not a problem-I also use a volume pedal and thats great for cutting the noise between songs.

Good advice, daav.

I think Elliot's guitar has P-90s, and I don't think there are any noiseless P-90s on the market. But the other two suggestions are good.

If it's the one in the picture he posted I'm thinking the neck is a Filtertron type humbucker-flip the pickup selector to the middle and it should suppress the humming.
 
Alright, here goes nothin...
...
I think Elliot's guitar has P-90s,...
Nope. I do not have p-90's on my new guitar. My old guitar had a humbucker sized p-90 in the neck slot. (Gibson P94R I believe)
My new guitar is a Reverend with "Reverend T-style single-coil (bridge), Reverend Revtron mini-humbucker (neck)." I do really wish that the neck pickup was the same pickup as in my other guitar. Then I'd REALLY love my guitar. But I'll upgrade it some other time.
A noise gate will only reduce the noise when you are not playing; it does that by shutting off the signal from your guitar when it falls below a certain threshold. It won't do anything to filter the noise out of your signal while you are playing.
That sounds like a good thing though. When I'm not playing is when you'll definitely hear it.
True, but for live performances that's probably all he needs. As far as recording goes, as



Thank someone mentioned already, you can clean that up with the mouse later.
I think your new guitar makes up for it in looks:D
Mike
I seriously can't stop playing this thing. It sure does look good. I feel bad that I'm getting fingerprints all over it.
I used to - and still do - like throwing the gain onto my Tele in the bridge position. It was very prone to feedback and hum - of course this was only noticeable when I wasn't playing. A noise suppressor really did help me out.
That's good to know. I'm definitely considering picking one up...If I can ever sell my current pedals, and after I buy my new fuzz pedal with that money...Can't wait.
Playing that close to the amp will really bring out the hum, I've played a stock Tele at gigs and in a live situation where I'm 8 or 10' from the amp the hum is not a problem-I also use a volume pedal and thats great for cutting the noise between songs.

If it's the one in the picture he posted I'm thinking the neck is a Filtertron type humbucker-flip the pickup selector to the middle and it should suppress the humming.
Yeah, I do that for now, but it changes the sound dramatically. I like the sound with clean, but with some definite crunch in there I'd really prefer to use just the bridge single coil pickup. But thanks for the help. And yeah, it's the one in the picture I posted recently. The pickups are "Reverend T-style single-coil (bridge), Reverend Revtron mini-humbucker (neck)"



Thanks for all the input guys! As always, it's greatly appreciated.
 
The ISP Decimator has worked wonders for me. As ggun said, it will only cut noise when you're not playing, but it's got a very smart threshold/filter and doesn't seem to affect tone at all. It also gives a cool phase affect when you let notes fade...of course that might just be because I have the threshold up a tad too high. I'm sure it'd give a very natural fade if I lowered it a bit.
 
The ISP Decimator has worked wonders for me. As ggun said, it will only cut noise when you're not playing, but it's got a very smart threshold/filter and doesn't seem to affect tone at all. It also gives a cool phase affect when you let notes fade...of course that might just be because I have the threshold up a tad too high. I'm sure it'd give a very natural fade if I lowered it a bit.

Hmm. I'll consider it.
 
copper foil with adhesive backing..
you can take off the pickup cover and wrap the coil.. I use masking tape, inside out, around the coil, then copper foil around that.
that way the foil glue isn't right on the coil wires.

shield the control cavity, too.. and beneath the guard there as well.
ground the sheilding in the cavity and guard to the ground on the guitar.


there are a couple of websites with details on all of this. google 'em up.
some even have capacitors wired in.. and more.

there's a lot you can do.. and all of it has some effect..

it's about all you can do with a single coil.. which is an awful lot like an antenna in design.. and picks up EFI and RFI easily.

I love P90s and have them in two guitars of mine..
noise or not!

I've never tried strats or teles with noiseless pups.. I'm sure they're quiet, but are they strats or teles?
*G*

tWANG
 
copper foil with adhesive backing..
you can take off the pickup cover and wrap the coil.. I use masking tape, inside out, around the coil, then copper foil around that.
that way the foil glue isn't right on the coil wires.

shield the control cavity, too.. and beneath the guard there as well.
ground the sheilding in the cavity and guard to the ground on the guitar.


there are a couple of websites with details on all of this. google 'em up.
some even have capacitors wired in.. and more.

there's a lot you can do.. and all of it has some effect..

it's about all you can do with a single coil.. which is an awful lot like an antenna in design.. and picks up EFI and RFI easily.

I love P90s and have them in two guitars of mine..
noise or not!

I've never tried strats or teles with noiseless pups.. I'm sure they're quiet, but are they strats or teles?
*G*

tWANG

Dang..Not gonna lie, that sounds like an awful lot of work. Maybe if it really is a big problem I'll look into it...
Thanks for the input though.
 
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