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gemsbok
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jealousy will kill a man. i sold all my studio projects years ago because i swallowed alot of hype. go chance!
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ausrock
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JTC,
Your diplomatic skills are something to aspire to
And yes, I do regard Alan as a friend, over the years we've had occasional communications (phone and email) but that said, I'm not afraid to tell him if I think he's wrong about something........just ask him what I think of his Aust., distributor, something I occasionally and not to subtley remind him about.
Like I said in my rambling post, he has been burnt by deception in this business and consequently has a habit of interjecting when he sees that potentially happening to others..............that to me is his only real motivation in this issue. Having an idea of what direction PMI are heading, I honestly doubt that he ever regarded this GB as a threat in any way, shape or form. He was obviously aware that his comments would piss some people off and would definitely not be good PR from a business point of view so tell me what other motives do you really see?
He is also the only person in this discussion that I'm aware of that has "long term" experience in China dealing with the Chinese, probably the only person that has seen first hand what products 797 have available and probably the only person to truly know just how much you can or cannot trust the manufacturers claims about their products, services, confidentiality, etc.
Wreckd,
I've been around the block a few times. That little "history" I wrote is pretty close to the facts and should give "the doubters" a better understanding of why this issue was raised.
Your diplomatic skills are something to aspire to
And yes, I do regard Alan as a friend, over the years we've had occasional communications (phone and email) but that said, I'm not afraid to tell him if I think he's wrong about something........just ask him what I think of his Aust., distributor
, something I occasionally and not to subtley remind him about.Like I said in my rambling post, he has been burnt by deception in this business and consequently has a habit of interjecting when he sees that potentially happening to others..............that to me is his only real motivation in this issue. Having an idea of what direction PMI are heading, I honestly doubt that he ever regarded this GB as a threat in any way, shape or form. He was obviously aware that his comments would piss some people off and would definitely not be good PR from a business point of view so tell me what other motives do you really see?
He is also the only person in this discussion that I'm aware of that has "long term" experience in China dealing with the Chinese, probably the only person that has seen first hand what products 797 have available and probably the only person to truly know just how much you can or cannot trust the manufacturers claims about their products, services, confidentiality, etc.
Wreckd,
I've been around the block a few times. That little "history" I wrote is pretty close to the facts and should give "the doubters" a better understanding of why this issue was raised.
JTC111
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JTC,
Your diplomatic skills are something to aspire to
And well you should.
Don't underestimate the desire of anyone in business to drive a competitor or potential competitor out of business.
What bothers me most about that turd he laid upon us is the timing of it. He puts the accusation out there AFTER the GB payments are made and changes can't be made. What's the point of that? There was no controversy here and there was no distrust of Chance or the process prior to that stinking dump of a post he squeezed out. Again, what was the point of it considering the fact that it's after the fact and nothing can be done?
Then there's the near-truths that he sprinkled on that dump like syrupy walnuts on a sundae. Pure bullshit like saying Chance claimed credit for designing the pres and Chance saying the transformers would be US made. Now either his reading skills are incredibly poor or he purposefully misrepresented what Chance said in both those cases. When people employ those kinds of tactics, it makes any point they're making very suspicious.
dgatwood
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As a matter of fact, we pretty much know that to be the case. Chance actually said:
Emphasis mine.
Is this manufactured by 797 Audio or some other manufacturer? Are the guts in any way related to what Alan saw a year ago? If so, how much have they diverged since then? We won't know the answers to either of those questions until we get the pres (and maybe not even then, though the last two questions can probably be at least partially answered with a quality photograph of the inside of the TnC pres).
My strong suspicion is that while the enclosure is probably the same (and probably came from the same metal fabrication plant, which is probably contracted out by 797 Audio and dozens of other companies), the internals are probably substantially different from the pres Alan saw.
After all, the dual channel pre was a FET-based pre, but the prototype used an enclosure that appeared to be straight out of a Presonus design. Clearly that wasn't just a rebadged BlueTube, as it contained no tube....
Just my $0.02.
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chance
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This is an excurpt from post #4555
A mass-mail will go out soon to all those who have the mic pres ordered
Lets drop this and get back to productive dialog. I have met Alan but he probably doesn't remember me. He's really a cool dude and I don't think his intentions are what they seem.
JTC111
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dgatwood
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Well, depending on how you read Chance's post, you might interpret it to imply that he designed it. That's not how I read it, but you could misinterpret it that way. I believe what Chance intended to say was that with the help of his Neve tech, they physically retrofitted actual Neve hardware into an existing enclosure, and the Chinese company cloned that design.
JTC111
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I really think someone would have to be of pretty sub-par intelligence to have read it that way. It's possible, yes. But I think the original description by Chance was clear enough. So like I said, possible? yes. Likely? no.
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thetwlo
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VERY WELL STATED! pretty much my thoughts as well.
However, if it wasn't/isn't? Chance's tech's design, I probably would've had more reservations and probably only ordered half of the pres.
I appreciate Alan's info, but makes me curious while he is sharing what are some of the costs of the Toft and JoeMeek stuff to put this in perspective?
I realize there are lots of added costs, design, advertising and all that comes with running a co. but what does say a Twin Q with it's also Chinese made xformer cost you? Toft? seems fair to ask as you shared this pricing for another's product. What about the Chameleon Labs? what would a $160 unit from china need to get on the US retail market?
I thought I did see a thread here(?) about 5+ years ago where Alan tried to stop a group buy on mics from 797. not certain.
I am very concerned about the design and whom it was done by. As many of those questions were ignored or answers were seemingly evasive at times.
So I hope Chance will prove him wrong and show us the truth.
As other's have noted Alan is a great guy and I love the Joemeek stuff I have. The newer MC2 is very nice and useful at any price!
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thetwlo
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yup, but Chance is the one that can supply proof. should be easy enough.
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thetwlo
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really? you don't get that part? Perfectly simple. Now as we are told we aren't getting what we ordered, some dispute the charge with their CC. Simple... then more, then it spreads. a simple virus. Seems like a simple way to kill it all.
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JTC111
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You say "yup," meaning that guy can't make allegations and not offer proof, then you say Chance should be the one to prove something. Now how does that make sense???
Lemme try this one on you and let's see how that works:
I heard you like to bugger sheep. Can you show me some proof that I'm wrong?
ausrock
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QUOTE.............:"What bothers me most about that turd he laid upon us is the timing of it."
Well unless I misread something, I was under the impression that Alan is in China at the moment and was only made aware of the GB deal on this current trip.
QUOTE.............:"You can't just swoop in, make these allegations, and expect no-one to ask for proof?"
An intersting point but why not.........after all, there's a lot of people laid down a lot of $$$ based only on someone's word without any proof whatsoever
Well unless I misread something, I was under the impression that Alan is in China at the moment and was only made aware of the GB deal on this current trip.
QUOTE.............:"You can't just swoop in, make these allegations, and expect no-one to ask for proof?"
An intersting point but why not.........after all, there's a lot of people laid down a lot of $$$ based only on someone's word without any proof whatsoever
mshilarious
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This thread has been entertaining tonight, but here's one key fact: if Alan posts the schemos, and they are accurate, this is a great boon for modders.
JTC111
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QUOTE.............:"You can't just swoop in, make these allegations, and expect no-one to ask for proof?"
An intersting point but why not.........after all, there's a lot of people laid down a lot of $$$ based only on someone's word without any proof whatsoever
Because we're past the point of changing orders. Let me repeat that... WE'RE PAST THE POINT OF CHANGING ORDERS.
Creamyapples1
www.murphycabs.com
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An intersting point but why not.........after all, there's a lot of people laid down a lot of $$$ based only on someone's word without any proof whatsoever
I'm not overly sure that it's any of your business why any of us did anything. I'd gather the word of the masses before I attempted to speak for them.
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thetwlo
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ausrock
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Geezus...............nah, forget it. Believe whatever you want, I'm happy to sit back and wait for the gear I ordered to arrive.
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thetwlo
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that's the problem no changing, yes! But it's not too late to dispute the full charge of course with your CC--hopefully no one will resort to that.
we'll see what Chance has to say/show us.
They do still seem like they should be good, but something's a bit fishy.
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qiktune
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I'm getting a great deal on a mic pre - made possible by Chance and Randy!!
WOOOHOOOOO - thanks again guys
WOOOHOOOOO - thanks again guys
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