Group Buy Interest?

[Barks]

inside the box...

Chance,

are these preamps discrete, ic based etc and are they utilising transformers?

I personally like the simplicity of the 3 band eq box (pre#1?)

thanks

Barks

 

[antichef]

A pre poll is a great idea -- and the more info we can have on the pres, the better, obviously -- that way, we might all gravitate toward one or two of them, and raise the quantities of the order.

 

[crazydoc]

A pre poll is a great idea -- and the more info we can have on the pres, the better, obviously -- that way, we might all gravitate toward one or two of them, and raise the quantities of the order.

I agree - I'd need some more info and specs before I could make any kind of a decision. Right now they're just pictures on my monitor.

 

[eyeteeth]

The only problem with a poll.. is it won't show quantity, and it appears many of us are considering multiples.

If there's anyway you can set a range... 50 or under = $$$ 100 or over = $$$ Between 50 ad 100 is somewhere in between... That way we'd at least know the most... and the least we might pay per unit.

I've seen GB's in the past use a chart showing the number of orders... Starts at the "highest" price for the fewest number of units, shows the "current" price per unit according to what is already ordered, and how close they are to reaching the goal for the lowest price. Although that might be too much work for all the $$ you're NOT raking in by doing this for us.

 

[chance]

I will be posting specs soon. Maybe the schematic too. As far as "specs" go, what is it exactly, besides what Barks asked, that you all want to know? When I have a list I will E-mail to China. Since this is a first run, please excuse the immeadiate lack of info/brochure like the big guys These are not in production yet, but just like the last mic GB, they were produced/manufactured when we submitted our order.





















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[cnix]

About the only spec I am interest in is the gain, not much of a technical guy here. I am more interested in how the rack mount pre started, evolved, and what the final version offers that the first 2 versions do not have.

 

[tarnationsauce2]

I think we'd like to know general specs. And either a schematic, or general idea of circuit components / topology.

I know I really want to know the input impedance of the DI. A lot of so-called DI inputs are worthless for instruments because the impedance is too low. (1Meg ohm + will be nice)

* Name features (all knobs / buttons / indicators, what do they do, and what is the range of adjustment?):

* Input Connections: XLR (is it balanced?), 1 4"TS (unbal?)
* Output Connections: XLR (is it balanced?), 1 4"TS (unbal?)
* Input Impedance XLR: 1 4" ? ohms
* Output Impedance XLR: 1 4" ? ohms
* Maximum Input Level: XLR +?dBu
* Maximum Input Level, 1 4" +?dBu
* Maximum Output Level: XLR +?dBu
* Maximum Output Level: 1 4" +?dBu
* CMRR > ?dB (typical @ 1kHz)
* Frequency Response: ?Hz to ?kHz, +/-.5dB
* Dynamic Range: >?dB (20-20kHz) typical
* Total Harmonic Distortion (THD): < ?% (typical)
* Maximum Gain:
* XLR to XLR ?dB (typical)
* 1 4 to 1 4 ?dB (typical)
* XLR to 1 4 ?dB (typical)
* 1 4 to XLR ?dB (typical)
* Equivalent Input Noise (EIN):
* XLR to XLR -?dBu (A weighted)
* 1 4 to 1 4 -?dBu (A weighted)
* Dimensions ?"H x ?" W x ?"H
* Weight ? lbs.

 

[chance]

About the only spec I am interest in is the gain, not much of a technical guy here. I am more interested in how the rack mount pre started, evolved,

Anyone know what page the original pre prototype is? (The Behringer look a like)
I thought I mentioned this before, but maybe it's worth repeating. My console in my studio is an A & H Sigma, with 24 of the 32 inputs having 1073 pre amps built into the board. I have grown to love these preamps and with the help of the tech that services my board, took the design of these pres, and reworked and fitted the design into an existing enclosure. We sent it to China for their engineers to study. They built a prototype and sent it back to me. We tested it and made some changes and sent it back. they reproduced the changes and sent it back to me. We again tested it (my Neve tech did all of this) It sounded great (my test) we then approved the electronics and had them re package it into a compact enclosure and they brought the finished prototype, ready for production, to the NAMM show. Me and my tech forfitted going to the NAMM show on Friday to really go thru these 3 pieces of gear. We were so excited at the results, but reluctantly had to return them at the NAMM show on Saturday. The idea was mine, the circuit design was from a well known Neve tech here in LA. I paid him for his time and it was money well spent. We both never thought that these things would be this well made especially for prototypes

Edit
I might add that the first pre(sonus) was not re packaged into a different enclosure and is why this must be changed as to not infringe on the trademark of the good folks at presonus. This applies even though the circuit is completely different.

 

[Caotico]

Sounds cool, Chance.

I might add that the first pre(sonus) was not re packaged into a different enclosure and is why this must be changed as to not infringe on the trademark of the good folks at presonus. This applies even though the circuit is completely different.

You said that this one wouldn't be ready for this GB, right?

 

[nuemes]

I thought I mentioned this before, but maybe it's worth repeating. My console in my studio is an A & H Sigma, with 24 of the 32 inputs having 1073 pre amps built into the board. I have grown to love these preamps and with the help of the tech that services my board, took the design of these pres, and reworked and fitted the design into an existing enclosure. We sent it to China for their engineers to study. They built a prototype and sent it back to me. We tested it and made some changes and sent it back. they reproduced the changes and sent it back to me. We again tested it (my Neve tech did all of this) It sounded great (my test) we then approved the electronics and had them re package it into a compact enclosure and they brought the finished prototype, ready for production, to the NAMM show. Me and my tech forfitted going to the NAMM show on Friday to really go thru these 3 pieces of gear. We were so excited at the results, but reluctantly had to return them at the NAMM show on Saturday. The idea was mine, the circuit design was from a well known Neve tech here in LA. I paid him for his time and it was money well spent. We both never thought that these things would be this well made especially for prototypes

This sounds very good Chance. If you could throw a ballpark price out so we have a general idea then we'll know what kind of buying power we have within each of our budgets. If the price is low enough I imagine a bunch of us will be buying multiple pre's.

 

[crazydoc]

As far as "specs" go, what is it exactly, besides what Barks asked, that you all want to know?

My list, if I had my druthers, would be:
Connector types
I/O impedance
Gain
Noise

A schematic would be super-duper, but I won't hold my breath.

It looks like that middle one is almost parametric (with at least high and low Q controls.) That would be the one for me.

 

[joel77]

Chance,

Like others have been saying, an idea of price would be great.

Is it possible to setup a chart of some kind, like I've seen with software group buys? i.e. 1 to 25 units = $, 26 to 50 units = $$, 51 ti 75 units = $$$ 76 to 100 units = $$$$ etc, etc

Just a thought.

Joel

 

[chance]

Chance,

Like others have been saying, an idea of price would be great.

Is it possible to setup a chart of some kind, like I've seen with software group buys? i.e. 1 to 25 units = $, 26 to 50 units = $$, 51 ti 75 units = $$$ 76 to 100 units = $$$$ etc, etc

Just a thought.

Joel

Just to give you an IDEA of the cost for the flagship (the one with the DI & meter) If I wanted to just buy one, the cost would be around $600.00. To get a quantity of 100, the cost would be around $200.00. for a quantity of 200 around $175.00.
Keep in mind that this is approximate. I was just notified that Fed Up and USPS have raised their rates as of 08. I don't know about ocean freight. I am basing these prices on the freight, dock fees, broker, and duty from the last GB

 

[cnix]

Just to give you an IDEA of the cost for the flagship (the one with the DI & meter)

Chance, if in your opinion this one is the top of the line, maybe we should all consider this one as the one we choose to get the numbers to keep cost down. Just thinking out loud...

 

[chance]

I think the one with the meter and the DI would be the most versitile

 

[RightOnMusic]

see, i'd really prefer to have the additional EQ bands.... am i alone?

 

[kojdogg]

see, i'd really prefer to have the additional EQ bands.... am i alone?

no i agree too-- as i posted earlier, i think it's a lot easier to add a very good di in front for <$100 (e.g. radial or avenson) than it is to add in extra eq after the pre for <$100 (not many quality options if any), but i can see that if you're starting up a product for commercial sale that the di and vu meter would be big selling points.

 

[Big Kenny]

I want it all, EQ,DI,Meters, the works! I'll take two and thanks again Chance. Are you having fun with this? Sure hope so!

 

[eyeteeth]

I'm with you too... I'd rather have the extra EQ. I already have several DI boxes I could use. I would think anyone who's recording, and interested in running something direct would already have DI's that could be used.

 

[gareth.h.rees]

Yeah - as much as a DI would be useful, I do far more mixing than tracking so would prefer the additional EQ functionality. I think the middle pre would be my first choice, followed by top followed by bottom.

Perhaps instead of making the two channel pre you could do a single channel with DI? If you used stepped gain control matching for stereo would be just as easy, and would encourage people to buy in pairs

The VU meter on Pre#1 (top) is appealing... but I think I'd get use out of additional EQ channels as I track through a desk with plenty of flashing lights as it is

Just my opinion of course!

Gareth