New mix/ live room design!?!

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Hi guys, ive been planning to build this sucker for 2 years now and i finally have the budget!!!
So heres some of my plans etc.
My main concern is the support frame for the walls(Subdue and noise shield panels) etc..
: As you can see from the "Walls" attachment the plan is to lay "Subdue" marine ply panels onto a silent step vibration isolation layer onto the floor,
Join hardwood frames to the those from underneath and then jam the wall partitions(wrapped in some kind of rubber like "wavebar") into the channel in-between the frame.....
The room dimensions are approximately W2.8m x H3.7m x H2.2m
each 1.2m length of partition weighs roughly 50 kg... lets say i build the framing 600mm high, are they going to hold that wieght,,,???
The combined sound transmission loss is around 39 - 45db

Any thoughts, advice, recommendations are most welcome and appreciated!!!!
Cheers guys
Nate
 

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Any thoughts, advice, recommendations are most welcome and appreciated!!!!
Cheers guys
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Hello Nate. Well, right off the bat I'd suggest you tell us EVERYTHING you can about the existing rooms construction, materials etc.

Second, tell us where you REALLY live. Your locations shows 3 different citys. That alone tells me something.:D

Third, please tell us about your sonic and isolation goals. Without knowing what it is you are trying to do exactly, no one could answer your questions.
For instance, what are you doing for a cieling? It looks like you are trying to build a room within a room. And if you are, a cieling would have to come into play, weight wise.

Fourth, I don't know what your building codes are like there, but off the top of my head, I'd venture to say your proposed sheithing material/ assembly design would NOT meet code, at least here. At least from what you've told us.

Fifth. Why are you building a channel to secure the walls? Are these panels some kind of 2 leaf modules? Tell us more about these. Frankly, I don't understand why you aren't planning on using standard construction/assemblys/materials.(Think FIRE RATING) Especially when you mention transmission loss. How did you come up with those figures? Did you find them in a publication or something. Transmission loss ratings come from LAB TESTED assemblys, and even approaching those ratings is a lesson in adherence to very strict construction detailing and codes.

Personally, I think you need to address many more issues here before jumping in to this project. Thats about all I could offer at this point. If you can tell us MUCH MUCH more about your project/location/existing construction/goals etc, you might get closer to an actual final design.

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Nateazrael said:
Hi guys, ive been planning to build this sucker for 2 years now and i finally have the budget!!!
So heres some of my plans etc.
My main concern is the support frame for the walls(Subdue and noise shield panels) etc..
: As you can see from the "Walls" attachment the plan is to lay "Subdue" marine ply panels onto a silent step vibration isolation layer onto the floor,
Join hardwood frames to the those from underneath and then jam the wall partitions(wrapped in some kind of rubber like "wavebar") into the channel in-between the frame.....
The room dimensions are approximately W2.8m x H3.7m x H2.2m
each 1.2m length of partition weighs roughly 50 kg... lets say i build the framing 600mm high, are they going to hold that wieght,,,???
The combined sound transmission loss is around 39 - 45db

Any thoughts, advice, recommendations are most welcome and appreciated!!!!
Cheers guys
Nate
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Is the outline the existing building? What about the wardrobe cavity? Is anything built yet?

Do you just want a single room studio?
 
This is the design i'd go for if i had that space, or something along these lines. This deals with the acoustics of each room, it needs to be much more in depth to deal will the isolation.

Typical, single layer plasterboard on timber studs could be used between rooms, and these(with insulation) give and STC of 35dB(If built correctly). The whole build could be a "room within a room", which would increase isolation outside.
 

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woah!!.. :) Firstly thanks heaps for your advice and ideas!!!..
ok here goes:
Heres a bit of backround:
*Ive been composing and doing production work for a couple a bands and broadcast companies for about 7 years now and i am losing soooo much of my income on renting studio space etc. i Need to find a solution that allows me to work from home,, SO:
*We are in an apartment on the 12th floor!... the room in question has a "preettyy" good construction to begin with and we dont get too much sound or vibration frequencies leaking into it, however there is obvisously a little here and there....
*We are renting and so using the conventional method of re-doing the main walls is out of the question, we need to erect a construction that has a good level of isolation in and out and that is "somewhat" demountable so we can take it with us and or sell it or something when we leave...
*I do need a mixing area and a "live" area..
*we have about a 5-6 thousand dollar budget.
*we also "need" to have it up in the next 2-3months (fingers crossed) (tightly)...

Hope that helps???
Regards and Thanks
Nate
 
Well you could probably build my suggestion as a room with a room, with timber studs and MDF. I'd get everything checked out before-hand, for weight issues, etc.

Is the live area in my suggestion big enough?
 
it might be best to just plan on building a decent isolation booth and using some panels and treatments to shape a control room. of course, a bunch of this depends on how much isolation you need from your neighbors (and how much they need from you), the construction of the building to support heavy isolation, and the size of the access into your space - do you have a freight elevator? is so, with enough door space and hallway space, you could construct the heavier assemblies off-site and transport them - depends on what level of construction you're allowed to do within the premises...

(i hadn't realized this was your thread when you emailed me)

you might also consider renting a warehouse and making your studio there. might be less expensive to address your needs, but maybe not as convenient as your apartment.
 
iso booth

Again, thank you guys for your time and input:
Surely i should just be able to construct a simple steel frame and put my marine ply boards up on/in that followed by some insulation and then some thin ply boards as facades, seal all the corners and seams with sealant and away we go right????
i need a solution really soon, im going insane :P
Nate
 
"Second, tell us where you REALLY live. Your locations shows 3 different citys. That alone tells me something."
??? i Really live in all three cities periodically... ;-
 
Nateazrael said:
Surely i should just be able to construct a simple steel frame and put my marine ply boards up on/in that followed by some insulation and then some thin ply boards as facades, seal all the corners and seams with sealant and away we go right????
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nope. or more correctly, not necessarily. the problem is live drums are huge sound animals that are hard to cage... same for large bass amps, guitar amps, and opera singers... so you need to evaluate your needs to isolate vs. what your neighbors (if any) can tolerate before getting the police involved...
 
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