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OK. So in a Tele body where there would be lots of room why is it that no one puts 5 pickups in one? (Maybe 2 humbuckers and 2 coils and one lipstick) Is there a certain spacing required to prevent phase or magnetic issues? There would be many wiring options for tone. I have never seen one so I assume there must be a good reason for not doing it. I just want to know what the reason is.:confused::confused::confused:
 
OK. So in a Tele body where there would be lots of room why is it that no one puts 5 pickups in one? (Maybe 2 humbuckers and 2 coils and one lipstick) Is there a certain spacing required to prevent phase or magnetic issues? There would be many wiring options for tone. I have never seen one so I assume there must be a good reason for not doing it. I just want to know what the reason is.:confused::confused::confused:

Economics and the point of diminishing returns.
 
OK. So in a Tele body where there would be lots of room why is it that no one puts 5 pickups in one? (Maybe 2 humbuckers and 2 coils and one lipstick) Is there a certain spacing required to prevent phase or magnetic issues? There would be many wiring options for tone. I have never seen one so I assume there must be a good reason for not doing it. I just want to know what the reason is.:confused::confused::confused:

The more magnets next to the string, the less sustain you'd have. I suspect that seven sets of pole pieces (two pole pieces per humbucker per string) would be pushing it, but having never tried it, I can't say for sure. At the very least, you'd have to have your pickups lower, which would mean lower output volume and less high frequency response. How much would this impact the sound? Hard to say.
 
There are several issues.

First of all, of course, is the problem that not all positions under the length of the strings are good sonically. Some locations are much better than others, and some are useless. The standard two-pickup paradigm works for most players in producing usable sounds. Of course, the three-pickup Strat is obviously popular, but I don't know how many guys use the middle pickup. Gibson has made three pickup Les Pauls (Custom and SGLPs -- not to mention the ES5 Switchmaster) but I don't know that they ever caught on. Steve Howe, of Yes, had a four-pickup modification done to a '56 LP Custom, but apparently he didn't use it that much.

Second, a tremendous amount of tonal variation is possible with only two pickups, especially when you get into active electronics, and generally speaking, builders go that direction rather than the multiple pickup route. I had a G&L L2000 bass, and it was capable of great versatility with two pickups, three toggles, and three knobs.

Which brings up the third problem with multiple pickups: how do you control everything and put all the knobs? I may be typical, in that I don't like to constantly have to be fiddling with my axe when I'm gigging. I know others feel differently, but my impression is that they are in the minority. Look at the original Alembic, made for Jack Casady. I can't imagine getting up on stage and expecting to keep track of all those knobs. Again, maybe that's just me.

Finally, there's ggunn's very salient point: you rapidly reach the point of added cost and diminishing returns. Maybe two pickups are twice as good as one (although all but one of my basses are single pickup Precisions), but three are not three times as good, nor four, four times...and by now, the cavities in the bodies are getting pretty crowded with pots and wires and whatnot.
 
The other reason is that in 1948 when the first Tele was built, they probably thought they were being generous adding a second pickup. Since then, they haven't messed too much with it though....why mess with a classic sound. Recently though, they put out the Nashville Power Tele, in which they managed to "squeeze" a third pickup in there.
 

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...not all positions under the length of the strings are good sonically. Some locations are much better than others, and some are useless.

I don't buy that. There is nothing magical about pickup placement other than the closer to the bridge you get, the more treble the pickup produces. You might be thinking about harmonic nodes on the string, but that's not an issue unless you only play open strings. The node points move when you fret notes.
 
I don't buy that. There is nothing magical about pickup placement other than the closer to the bridge you get, the more treble the pickup produces. You might be thinking about harmonic nodes on the string, but that's not an issue unless you only play open strings. The node points move when you fret notes.

I'm going by the fact that Leo Fender spent a lot of time placing the pickups on his basses, and they invariably sound better than those of other builders who put them in typical "guitar" positions. Not to mention that one of the recurring "innovations" is the bass with the sliding pickup (Gibson and Westone are two that spring to mind).

But I didn't say anything about nodes, and in fact, I agree with you. But the fact remains that some pickup positions (OK, let's simplify it and say it's no more than proximity - or lack of it -to the bridge) sound better than others, and, through at least trial and error, the optimum positions may already have been located. It may merely that some minimum distance between the pickups is necessary for there to be enough distinction between the respective sounds for them to be useful.

Or, hell, maybe it's just the old "I like the way it sounds because it sounds the way I expect" which bedevils all areas of music. Until we get used to a different sound, or piece of music for that matter, it won't sound as good as the familiar.

In any case, none of these points makes it vital to have a great number of pickups.
 
I don't buy that. There is nothing magical about pickup placement other than the closer to the bridge you get, the more treble the pickup produces. You might be thinking about harmonic nodes on the string, but that's not an issue unless you only play open strings. The node points move when you fret notes.
You are correct. There is no optimum position for a pickup, only different positions.
 
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