Behringer Mixer troubles!!!

[thraciandrummer]

ok i have a behringer 2442fx mixer. This mixer caem with its own audio interface, but i have windows vista and i was told when i bought it i would need to buy a different audio interface that would support vista in my case that was the m-audio fast track USB (Not Pro) So i bought it and used it and it worked fine for Guitars and vocals! When it came down to recording my drums i obviously had to use my new behringer mixer but much to my surprise the only way to playback recordings that u did with the m-audio througha laptop is to plug in headphones to the interface, but since i wasnt using the behringer interface i was unable to record ffrom my mixer to my computer. Now i am starting to hear that that interface behringer gave me can work. So my question, and i have a few are these.
1) can i use the interface behringer gave me? (the uca200)
2) Is there anyway for me to record my drums from my mixer to my laptop with the m-audio plugged in so i can hear whatts already been recorded?
3) If i can use the uca200, does that mean i basically wasted my money on the m-audio or coudl i still use it for guitars and vocals but be able to hear playback from it to use my mixer to recrod drums after i use the m-audio??
-Someone please help me

 

[[wakingeden]]

Hey there, I have almost the exact same setup . . . except I have the 1222fx.
It does work with Vista but the only program I've been able to get it to work in is Krystal. I working on getting it to work with Reaper, and I think I have all the kinks worked out. Ive been given a few suggestions I still need to try out when I get off of work. Anyways, the only way Ive been able to monitor the audio coming out of the board is by hooking up my harman kardon PC speakers to the headphone out with a 1/4 adaptor.This is most deafinetly not the way to go, yes it works but there are issues. I need to rearrange my outputs and hook up the speakers directly to my PC so I dont have isuess when recording over another track. You should by all means be able to hear the audio you recorded with just USB, though you have to have your audio devices setup correctly. Vista is really stupid in the way it routes audio, it has gotten better though. There is alot more tweaking to do with Vista than there is XP, I gave up on Vista for awhile but Im back and Im slowly being able to get things working. I'd be more than happy to help you troubleshoot after work, just hit me up with a PM!

 

[thraciandrummer]

Behringer Mixer Troubles

yeah dude defintely i need the help see im using a laptop so playback is even harder but i was gonna try the same thing today and get a 1/4" adapter and try to record then i guess i have to redo the guitars i recorded with the m-audion fast track cant i cant think of anyway to do it with that thing plugged in If only i could playback the audio without the fast track plugged in and then be able to record with the mixer using the UCA200 and then be able top playback all of it. That would solve all my problems.

 

[Steve Henningsgard]

Ok dude, I'm trying to understand what you're saying here: you need to use the mixer to record drums, because it has more inputs, yes? Just use the stereo outs from your mixer, plug 'em into the m-audio, and record through the m-audio. You can also plug the outputs from the m-audio back into the mixer to monitor what you're doing.

That help?

 

[thraciandrummer]

well the thing is with the m-audio i dont have the m-audo fast track pro so i have the red and white RCA outs on the m-audio but there arent any RCA ins on it, the only inputs are a quarter inch for recording guitars and a mic in for recording vocals or micing whatever u want but i can only use one of these at a time because they is a button that toggles between the two. What i need to know is if there is a way to playback what i recorded (Guitars and Vocals) with the fast track without actually having it plugged in cause i am using a laptop. If there isnt a way to do that my only other thought is that i have to restart and use the Audio Interface that Behringer gave me and use the mixer to do guitars and vocals which is fine but i hate to lose what i already reocrded. But i need an honest opinion what would peopl recommend should i just redo them and scrap the fast track and or attempt to figure this out. Personally i think i should redo everything but i think i will have some pretty pissed guitarists and vocalists

 

[Steve Henningsgard]

What i need to know is if there is a way to playback what i recorded (Guitars and Vocals) with the fast track without actually having it plugged in

Umm... you're not making much sense here. How would you play back audio through an interface that isn't plugged in?

I want to help you, but you're not making it very clear what you're trying to accomplish. So far as I can tell, you've got guitars and vocals recorded, and you want to record drums. You've got the m-audio interface with one input, switchable between XLR and 1/4", and stereo RCA outputs, correct? And you also have a Behringer mixer/interface with multiple inputs, which you want to use to record drums, right? The issue is you're not sure if the Behringer will work with Windows Vista, correct?

What I'm saying is, supposing the Behringer won't work with Vista, you're going to have to use the M-Audio's one input for drums. Assuming this is true, what you're going to want to do is use the Behringer as a stand-alone mixer (as in, don't plug in the USB or Firewire port it's got to your computer). Plug your microphones into the Behringer mixer, then use the 1/4" mono-out (probably the Left channel) and plug it into the 1/4" input on your M-Audio.

The signal chain for this would be:

[Microphones] --(XLR)--> [Mixer] --(1/4")--> [M-Audio] --> [Computer]

Then, to listen, plug in your headphones, or plug a stereo into the RCA outputs on your M-Audio interface.

Personally i think i should redo everything but i think i will have some pretty pissed guitarists and vocalists

With the relatively low amount of experience/knowledge you have doing this, you should probably stick to working with your own music before recording anybody else, just so you don't get yelled at when you're trying to figure this shit out


*edit: By the way, if you'd like to get honest answers and not come off as some stupid kid, it would be a good idea for you to use proper grammar, spelling, punctuation, and capitalization (or at least the best you can haha)

 

[Nightfire]

This is not to be a smartass, just trying to understand this becuase Im about to buy a fastrack to use with my Behringer mixer, why cant you use the laptop headphone jack?


mike

 

[Steve Henningsgard]

This is not to be a smartass, just trying to understand this becuase Im about to buy a fastrack to use with my Behringer mixer, why cant you use the laptop headphone jack?


mike

Assuming he's using ASIO drivers (not necessarily a great assumption), you can interface with only one device at once

 

[Nightfire]

Never knew that, thanks.

Mike

 

[thraciandrummer]

ok, steve that was half of my problem , im sorry im not making sense but first off i am recording my own band. Secondly i know the behringer works with vista. The reason you cant plug headphones into the laptop to hear playback from the m-audio is because (as stated by m-audio's website) is becasue the laptop's speakers are hardwired to the sound card and changing setting is not recommened due to stability issues. With that said i know the behringer interface works but in order for me to hear plyback from what i recorded already the m-audio needs to be usb'd to the computer obviously. So now what im wondering is how is this if i record drums using the behringer in order to hear playback from my drums (what i recorded with the OTHER interface) i need to plug headphones into the mixer. So if i need to plug headphones into the m-audio to hear my guitars and vocals then i have tok plug headphones into the mixer to hear my drums how in the world do i edit the recording? What i need to know is if there is a way to hear play back from what i recorded with the m-audio AND what i will (cause i havent attempted this yet) be recording with the behringer, which is going to be my drums. The only thing i can think of to do is start over and scrap the m-audio and just record guitars and vocals with my mixer so i dont have to worry about having two different sources to get playback from. So Sorry if i havent made sense hope that helps.

 

[Steve Henningsgard]

Off the Behringer website:

"Get your audio to and from any DAW and make your XENYX mixer the perfect globetrotter in both analog and digital worlds."

Unplug the damn M-Audio, and use the Behringer as your interface. Assign the outputs in your program to the Behringer. You'll then be able to hear what you recorded, and what you're gonna record.


Audio doesn't know, and doesn't care where it was recorded! If you record something with the M-Audio, you can play it back from anything that supports the same playback rate (at least 16-bit, 44.1khz. 24-bit is better!).

 

[thraciandrummer]

werd so F it ill just scrap the guitars and vocals i already recorded and start over your saying? or just change my outputs and that will allow me to playback what i already recorded? once again thanks for all your help guys we're almost there though!

 

[[wakingeden]]

So Im assuming you are making progress . . . . .
I have a couple of questions to ask you, and Im sorry if they've already been answered.
First, what software are you using? Secondly you're confusing the hell out of me, how do
you have your equipment routed? Im just trying to understand your situation and possibly
find a better way for my setup.

Mine:
(I know it's messed up)

IN-----------------------|------------------------OUT
Guitar|Keys|PC|MAC >1222FX> Speakers|UCA-200> PC

Note: I use a harman kardon 2.1 setup with the headphone out to monitor levels. It
shouldnt really be done this way though.

This is the way it should really be hooked up:

IN--------------------|----------------------OUT
Guitar|Drums|Mac>1222FX>UCA-200>PC>Speakers

Note: Omit the Mac and speakers bit and thats the way you should hook it
up. Its a really really cheap setup but it gets the job done, just take it slow
and record one track at a time.

Edit: The Fastrack USB isnt even worth working with in your type of application.
Now, the Fastrack Pro would be a alternative to the UCA-200 because the two
TRS inputs.

 

[thraciandrummer]

we all confused man its alright lol my set up is this m audio usb'd to me laptop to hear playback of guitars and vocals then behringer audiop interface usb'd into my laptop for recording of drums (which i still havent tried to see if it works) i am using cakewalk sonar 6 producer edition

 

[thraciandrummer]

what i am basically trying to do is figureout what is better to do figure out a way to hear my playback from what ive recorded with my m-audio and record over that with the behringer interface or just scrap it and start over just using the behringer

 

[Steve Henningsgard]

i am using cakewalk sonar 6 producer edition

Whoa whoa whoa, back up there sonny. You didn't pay for that program, and it's infinitely more complicated than anything you should be working with anyway.

Go to this website:

http://www.cockos.com/reaper/

...and download "Reaper", a free (you 'can' pay, and should if you end up using it a bunch, but $40 is a little less than the $700 program you're "borrowing"), easy to use program that will do a million times more than you're capable of anyway. Stop using pirated software, especially if there are ridiculously great free alternatives out there, and you have no idea how to use 99% of the extra features the expensive ones have.

Second, read every article on this site (they're under "TIPS" at the top):

http://www.homerecordingconnection.com/news.php


Then, come back and ask real questions with legitimate software.

 

[thraciandrummer]

umm who said i am "borrowing it" and who said i didnt pay for it cause i defintiely didnt the program cost 500 of my money and the point of this forum is to learn things not be talked down to by people so thanks for your help but that was rude. Secondly this really has very little to do with the program if anything i have to switch the outputs on the program. I am trying to figure out how to salvage something i recorded on the fast track so i dont have to do everything over. That the program has little to do with my problem

 

[Steve Henningsgard]

umm who said i am "borrowing it" and who said i didnt pay for it cause i defintiely didnt the program cost 500 of my money and the point of this forum is to learn things not be talked down to by people so thanks for your help but that was rude. Secondly this really has very little to do with the program if anything i have to switch the outputs on the program. I am trying to figure out how to salvage something i recorded on the fast track so i dont have to do everything over. That the program has little to do with my problem

You're telling me you spent $500 on a professional recording program, and you're doing your own band's first demo, which you can't figure out how to record drums on? Bullshit.


And you just answered your own question...

if anything i have to switch the outputs on the program.

 

[thraciandrummer]

yes i did and that doesnt fix the problem cause your not understanding my problem but thanks for your help. Most of the other people answered my question it had nothing to do with inexperience either. I was unsure of how to get playback from one thing and record on something else with Vista (a new operating system!) cause i would have 2 interfaces in my computer that require their owns sets of headphones to play back audio so i would need two sets of headphones to be able to edit up my final mix but i am going to try switching my outputs or just scrapping the mix and redoing it with the behringer. But thanks for your input whatever it was

 

[Steve Henningsgard]

yes i did and that doesnt fix the problem cause your not understanding my problem but thanks for your help. Most of the other people answered my question it had nothing to do with inexperience either. I was unsure of how to get playback from one thing and record on something else with Vista (a new operating system!) cause i would have 2 interfaces in my computer that require their owns sets of headphones to play back audio so i would need two sets of headphones to be able to edit up my final mix but i am going to try switching my outputs or just scrapping the mix and redoing it with the behringer. But thanks for your input whatever it was

Dude, you're not fucking getting it. This has EVERYTHING to do with being inexperienced (and a little stupid): what operating system you have has little-to-nothing to do with audio routing. It's all in the program (you know, the one you "spent hundreds of dollars on" and have no idea how to use). You neglected to even entertain the idea of reading the articles I put in front of you, one of which details EXACTLY what you're asking, and instead you assume I have no idea what I'm talking about (go ahead and listen to some of my mixes, or come check out my studio if you want...). You're not going to get very far in life stealing shit and assuming you're smarter than everybody you're asking questions of.


That said, here it is in plain english: UNPLUG AND THROW AWAY THE DAMN M-AUDIO!!! Plug in your mixer, set the outputs in sonar to your mixer, and you will hear the audio you recorded coming out of the mixer. Done.