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dmbfrk,

When you have your new stuff done people will certainly listen with an open mind... they still might not say everything that one hopes to hear, but they will be honest.

I don't think it was the music so much that drew the criticism as much as it was the "pro studio" statement, with nothing other than your old demo to back it up.

I look forward to hearing whatever new tunes you have and I hope you take a chance to listen to some of mine... generally the way it works around here is people like to hear that you actually know what your talking about (I'm still trying to earn that distinction).

Don't take offense to when anyone shoots off about something.

Trust me... it will happen again.

Bear is one of the esteemed, knowledgable members... and his advice is well received (and he's actually a nice guy). But there are others that just seem to love to say whatever they want (founded or unfounded) with the hopes of getting people worked up.

Welcome to homerec my friend... this really is a GREAT place to hang out.

Velvet Elvis
 
Dethska said:
Okay, I see now. I WAS misunderstanding you. Thank you for taking time to explain it to me. Maybe what I think of as Auto-tune isn't really auto-tune. Are you familiar at all with the "pop-punk" bands out currently. Sum 41, Avril, Good Charlotte, etc. The vocals on the songs drive me crazy. I thought it was an autotune sound, but maybe it's just a thousand different vocal tracks. The sound is very processed, is there a different device/plug-in that causes this sound. Maybe a vocal processor that automatically creates harmonies? I'm curious as to what the "effect" is, if it's not autotune.
Thanks in advance.
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Anytime you layer multiple vocal tracks it is going to give a chorus type effect. That is like what Cheryl Crow has on a lot of her latest singles. Chorus and Harmonizers can do similar effects electronically but usually they do it manually with more overdubs. I agree is is getting way to overused. It's cool on a chorus or bridge but when they do it for the entire song it get's old quick.
 
I'm absolutely shocked that "Blue Bear" chose to rip into the production of the songs on dmbfrk's website - "too much top end" or whatever his complaints were, are COMPLETELY out of line and are extremely nitpicky to begin with. This stuff DOES sound as good as anything you could do at an overpriced facility, and I think it takes either brass balls or an absolute lack of tact to publically cut down a guy who is making GREAT sounding recordings with home-based gear. ISN'T THAT THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS SITE?

If it isn't, then I'm in the wrong place and I shouldn't waste my time reading anything here.

dmbfrk - don't listen to these guys, whatever you do. Engineers don't buy records, and frankly, most of them don't even know how to LISTEN to records. Take an engineer, sit him down, play him a great record, and he'll start chattering about dithering and blah blah blah and how he could mix it better, and so forth. SHADDUP. The performance is the thing, and many platinum-selling records have been done on sleazy ADAT, fer chrissakes.

As far as I'm concerned: Shut up, and make music with whatever gear you've got. dmbfrk is doing great, and is probably making better sounding records than half the people on this board. Keep it up!

Now that I'm annoyed at the rudeness of this thread, I've gotta get back to tracking actual rock with an actual rock band with an actual budget...
 
Thanks TexRoadkill,

I HATE that sound. It just kills any emotion the song might have had. Okay, I'll pop out now, and not derail this guys thread.
 
DOH!

I meant to answer that one -- sorry Dethska - it slipped through my memory....

Tex - thanks for pinch-hitting!
 
er.... dick....

Yeah... whatever, you self-righteous, um... dick!

Gimme a fuckin' break..... :rolleyes:
 
Dick Flansen said:
I'm absolutely shocked that "Blue Bear" chose to rip into the production of the songs on dmbfrk's website - "too much top end" or whatever his complaints were, are COMPLETELY out of line and are extremely nitpicky to begin with.
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Yeah, well, the bear's got a pretty damn good set of ears on his head, and he's nearly always "spot on" in his critiques.

If you're a musician, you've GOT to be able to take some criticism.
You're in for a short career if you can't.

And when someone makes claims that his pro-sumer gear is capable of delivering a product as good or better than an "overpriced facility", well, you invite that criticism.

Just think of Blue Bear as the Simon Cowell of HR.com. ;)
 
Well, Blue Bear - let me just say THANKS that I don't have to book studio time with arrogant, know-it-all overpriced engineers like you, anymore - you're exactly the reason why HOME recording is so popular. No matter how much you want to whine about the quality of home recording... dmbfrk didn't need you or your services to record, produce, or market his fine-sounding recordings - and frankly, with your know-it-all attitude, I'm sure he achieved far better results for it!

And since you've decided to offer your "expert" opinion where it wasn't asked for - I dunno, Bruce, I see your name on all kinds of "how to" articles, offering lots of "advice," but you know what I DON'T see? The name "Bruce Valeriani" on ANY cds in my collection, or anywhere on the internet associated with any recordings, basically, whatsoever. In fact, the only "credit" I've seen you get anywhere is as a "studio owner." Yeah, you and ten thousand other morons.

So, essentially, shut the f*ck up until you've got the credentials to back it up. If you had any actual artists to produce, you could be doing THAT instead of telling newbies that their recordings suck. How dare you cut down a newbie who innocently asked to share recordings - recordings, which, in his case, are actually pretty damn good. You're not an artist, my man, you're a "studio owner." Shut your "$300 PER SONG - RECORDED & MIXED!!!" trap, already, until "Blue Zinc" scores a Grammy...

SHADDUP.
 
Dick Flansen said:
I'm absolutely shocked that "Blue Bear" chose to rip into the production of the songs on dmbfrk's website - "too much top end" or whatever his complaints were, are COMPLETELY out of line and are extremely nitpicky to begin with. This stuff DOES sound as good as anything you could do at an overpriced facility, and I think it takes either brass balls or an absolute lack of tact to publically cut down a guy who is making GREAT sounding recordings with home-based gear. ISN'T THAT THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS SITE?
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I have to agree with Bear's critique. The high end is thin and crispy. But the performance was well done and the guitar has a nice tight sound to it. Considering what he had to work with I think he did a decent job but it's still home studio quality all the way.

I'm guessing Bear was curious enough to check out his site and got turned off by the lavish self promotion. It is layed on pretty thick, lol.

Just to put my money where my mouth is here is some stuff I engineered but did not perform at my home studio http://www.nowhereradio.com/texroadkill/singles

Those are completely dry tracks of an ongoing project that I put up for a challenge we were having in the MP3 clinic to evaluate our raw tracks. Just for the record I'd prefer my high end to be a bit smoother also.
 
For the record, I DO actually agree with Blue Bear's critique to some extent. The recordings in question aren't perfect, by a long shot - then again, rock and/or roll was never perfect to begin with (yes, these songs vaguely count as rock and roll)... and I'm just SO bummed to see a new guy come on here and then immediately get trashed by some supposed "pro."

See, that's exactly the kind of attitude that inspired me to pick up a guitar in the first place. It's the same attitude that inspired me to go on our first tour in '90, it's the same "you don't know what you're doing" attitude that I used as a rallying cry all the way to our first radio hits and as a producer, to the first, nice NARAS award that sits nicely framed in the living room. I HATE that attitude, and I've made a comfy career out of sticking it to people who told me my work wasn't good enough.

Sorry, folks, I'm in a cranky mood today and I do NOT like to see new guys getting picked on. I hope that dude gets Dave Matthews-sized audience from his homebrew demo and mails a cd, covered in kisses, in time for Blue Bear's bankruptcy liquidation sale.
 
Dick,

Might I ask who the band that you had a radio hit with was?

I did a google search and didn't find anything under your name.


Velvet Elvis
 
Dick Flansen said:
I dunno, Bruce, I see your name on all kinds of "how to" articles, offering lots of "advice," but you know what I DON'T see? The name "Bruce Valeriani" on ANY cds in my collection, or anywhere on the internet associated with any recordings, basically, whatsoever. In fact, the only "credit" I've seen you get anywhere is as a "studio owner." Yeah, you and ten thousand other morons.
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Hey... DICKhead.... are my clients who aren't signed, or aren't world-class any less important because their material isn't spattered all over the web with my credits on it? You dumb fuck... you think the only successful studio is one that has worldwide visibility???.... there is plenty of local work that goes into the day-to-day operation of a studio that doesn't involve bands in many locales... and I have more credibility in my skills than you'll ever have with the bullshit attitude you've got.

And if nothing else - at least I have acquired knowledge and share freely with the web-community in order to help them better their own DIY skills....

I haven't seen your name anywhere on the web -- where's your contribution to other people's skills - eh, asswipe....?

Go fuck yourself... goddamn poseur....

oh - and welcome to my ignore list.........

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dmbfrk,

I don't know what the fight is about here, but, you really got some nice performance, and the sonic quality is decent enough for consumers and above to enjoy your music.

Good job, and I don't think you abused auto-tune. People are sick of auto tune's effect because they are used on just about every crappy pop/dance songs thesedays, but if I came from mars and never heard of that cher effect before, I would say I really like it in your tunes:)

Al
 
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dmbfrk said:
two years ago i made this cd in my dorm room and now i've been touring for two years...my only point being that I hope when i have completed some of the work i'm up to currently, ya'll will listen with an open mind.
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Dmbfrk, I just listened to the 3 tracks from your CD and I love 'em! I can't get those tunes out of my head! I'm amazed that you did that all in your dorm room!

I'm actually recording right now in my little 1br apartment. So I was wondering if you had any tips, or could go into what sort of equipment you used, etc. If you don't mind answering, maybe we should make this the subject of another thread...whatever people think is best is fine by me! :)
 
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