tjohnston
New member
Im still trying to figure out what the fuck "Kid cock" does!
Velvet Elvis
Ahh humma humma humma
tj...
I'm not really sure... but I think it has something to do with inbreeding and mullets
Velvet Elvis
I'm not really sure... but I think it has something to do with inbreeding and mullets
Velvet Elvis
Blue Bear Sound
New member
I already explained it - it was with regard to the overused Cher effect....! (look at my response a few posts up!)Dethska said:
Dethska
Not a Mod
Blue Bear,
I must be misunderstanding you. I don't really see this as a need to start an argument (not that you were). I know you are much more talented/ knowledgable than me, so I'll let this go. I'll trust that you already know the point I'm trying to make. Sorry to waste your time.
I must be misunderstanding you. I don't really see this as a need to start an argument (not that you were). I know you are much more talented/ knowledgable than me, so I'll let this go. I'll trust that you already know the point I'm trying to make. Sorry to waste your time.
Blue Bear Sound
New member
I think the misunderstanding is that I made 2 comments regarding the use of the Autotune when I really was only talking about its abuse in using it for that "Cher effect."
I think you interpreted it as 2 separate points - 1 as the overuse of it for pitch control, and 2 - the cher effect.
I know it's generally abused as a pitch control device, but that's NOT was I was referring to at all in my original reply to this post. (Although it could have been taken that way)....
The reason I brought it up at all here was because out of the 3 acoustic songs I heard, all three contained the dreaded cher effect - sometimes all the time, sometimes jarringly in a bridge section.
As to the overuse of Autotune for pitch control... it is unfortunate that it gets SO much abuse - it IS a useful tool for rescue operations or minor fix-ups when you have an overall good take but simply need to fix a few syllables. This is how *I* use it, and know of many engineers who share that same ethic. And in fact, very few studios, I beleive, will run an entire vocal through it for a recording session.
Live performance, unfortunately, is a different matter altogether. Lately it appears that live performance production has adopted a "Hollywood" ethic - the performance must be flawless, seamless, and perfect, and since most musicians are not flawless (even the good ones!), live production producers started using tools and illusion to make it so.
To use it as a crutch or to mask/cover-up/hide a singer's incompetence reallys speaks for itself as a practice, don't you think?
I think you interpreted it as 2 separate points - 1 as the overuse of it for pitch control, and 2 - the cher effect.
I know it's generally abused as a pitch control device, but that's NOT was I was referring to at all in my original reply to this post. (Although it could have been taken that way)....
The reason I brought it up at all here was because out of the 3 acoustic songs I heard, all three contained the dreaded cher effect - sometimes all the time, sometimes jarringly in a bridge section.
As to the overuse of Autotune for pitch control... it is unfortunate that it gets SO much abuse - it IS a useful tool for rescue operations or minor fix-ups when you have an overall good take but simply need to fix a few syllables. This is how *I* use it, and know of many engineers who share that same ethic. And in fact, very few studios, I beleive, will run an entire vocal through it for a recording session.
Live performance, unfortunately, is a different matter altogether. Lately it appears that live performance production has adopted a "Hollywood" ethic - the performance must be flawless, seamless, and perfect, and since most musicians are not flawless (even the good ones!), live production producers started using tools and illusion to make it so.
To use it as a crutch or to mask/cover-up/hide a singer's incompetence reallys speaks for itself as a practice, don't you think?
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dmbfrk
New member
the cher effect
i don't recall it being used on more than one song (the first track)...
[2 years ago on the recordings i never intended to share with you]
ar
[p.s. you clearly didn't get much love as a child]
i don't recall it being used on more than one song (the first track)...
[2 years ago on the recordings i never intended to share with you]
ar
[p.s. you clearly didn't get much love as a child]
Blue Bear Sound
New member
Re: the cher effect
ok - whatever, dude...
PS - here's my studio site - but DON'T you click on it - I don't want anyone to see it.......
Hmmm... your website is visible (WWW button) -- your website is publicly accessible --- your website has posted clips on it.... but you "never intended to share"....dmbfrk said:
ok - whatever, dude...
PS - here's my studio site - but DON'T you click on it - I don't want anyone to see it.......
Velvet Elvis
Ahh humma humma humma
There is no excuse for using it live....
That's just plain wrong
Velvet Elvis
That's just plain wrong
Velvet Elvis
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dmbfrk
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the hell ya talkin' about?
using it live?
ar
using it live?
ar
Blue Bear Sound
New member
I *have* heard a couple of clips -- not bad... not bad at all...!Velvet Elvis said:Bear.. have you ever listened to my stuff? I'm guessing not, because I've only got one poop chute and I'm guessing if you had listened to any of my stuff that you would have ripped me another one
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Velvet Elvis
Ahh humma humma humma
I was responding to Blue Bear's autotune thread... a post or two back. He said its now a trend to use it live.
That's just wrong.
"Live performance, unfortunately, is a different matter altogether. Lately it appears that live performance production has adopted a "Hollywood" ethic - the performance must be flawless, seamless, and perfect, and since most musicians are not flawless (even the good ones!), live production producers started using tools and illusion to make it so."
Velvet Elvis
That's just wrong.
"Live performance, unfortunately, is a different matter altogether. Lately it appears that live performance production has adopted a "Hollywood" ethic - the performance must be flawless, seamless, and perfect, and since most musicians are not flawless (even the good ones!), live production producers started using tools and illusion to make it so."
Velvet Elvis
Teacher
New member
yo bear before u got your lucids did you audition any other A/D to compare? specifically the mytekts cuz there 8 channel A/D are approximately the same price i wanna know for future reference...
Velvet Elvis
Ahh humma humma humma
Bear...
Sometime I want to talk "metering" with you... I read your article about metering and gain staging etc... and I know you use a Mackie 8-bus and an HD-24... then dump to a Masterlink... same as I am using.
I *think* I'm doing fairly well with my levels, but I'd like to know where you have found (metering input and tape levels... then metering playback and subs/master) to work the best on the Mackie/HD-24 combination.
I changed from 3 black face ADATs to the HD24 half way through the recording Wow... life got much easier at that point.
Velvet Elvis
Sometime I want to talk "metering" with you... I read your article about metering and gain staging etc... and I know you use a Mackie 8-bus and an HD-24... then dump to a Masterlink... same as I am using.
I *think* I'm doing fairly well with my levels, but I'd like to know where you have found (metering input and tape levels... then metering playback and subs/master) to work the best on the Mackie/HD-24 combination.
I changed from 3 black face ADATs to the HD24 half way through the recording
Wow... life got much easier at that point.Velvet Elvis
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Speedy VonTrapp
New member
Here's a little bit of advice from one newbie to another.
It's not worth it to argue with people like Bear on these boards.
#1 - It just doesn't seem worth it.
#2 - You're WRONG.
Notice the small number of posts under my name, there. That, in itself means
nothing, of course, but just so you know, in the short time that I've been here,
I've learned that people like Bear post the things they post because they've
earned the right to. They are the local experts here. (This is my opinion.)
I've come to learn a TON from people like him around here.
Here is the point as I see it.
You come onto the board here, as a complete newbie to the boards, never posted
before, and in your subject title you say, "Your rack is sexy, BUT..." already
leading the readers to believe that next few words that you might have added to
that would be something like..."big deal, what can you do with it?" or something
like that.
So, your site gets checked out, since you posted it in your profile, and it's at
the bottom of every post that you'll ever make here. I looked at it, myself.
BEFORE Bear made his comments. The first thing that I notice when looking at
the site, is someone talking about you, and comparing your recordings to major
studio recordings, and talking about how people can't tell the difference
because you're so good at what you do.
Side note: I have the distinct feeling that the "review" of you on your site,
although seeming written from a third person point of view was written by none
other than yourself. I suppose there's nothing inherently wrong with that, but
when the home page of your site pretty much does nothing but tell the world how
you are gods gift to music, it's just going to be met with a little scepticism
right from the get go around here. Because "HERE" just happens to be a place
full of a bunch of people that have been making music, and recording, and
studying every aspect of the art for years and years.
Also, as far as you not wanting to share your songs with him...man, what do you
expect when you post your URL here, and brag up and down about your music, and
provide links to it on your website? Your intentions are that you want to share
it with the ENTIRE WORLD. If that's not your goal, I'd put a password on those
areas of your site, and only give the password to people that you know will say
something nice about your music no matter what, like your mom, or grandma.
Sorry, dude, that's just the way it goes around here. Attitudes will get you
NOTHING here. Learn it early, I did. I would suggest doing what I did. I went
to Bear's website, and printed out every single article that he's got. Same for
Harvey's. Same for anybody that has something that could benefit me. Make a
binder, and read, read, read.
Even if that's not why you came here. Why pass up the opportunity to learn
something new, and better yourself as a musician, or learn something new about
recording techiques?
Just my 2 cents.
-Speedy
Bear, I know you don't need a defendant, or anything like that. I just thought
I'd let it be known that some of the newbies here do have the capacity to take
criticism, and learn.
It's not worth it to argue with people like Bear on these boards.
#1 - It just doesn't seem worth it.
#2 - You're WRONG.
Notice the small number of posts under my name, there. That, in itself means
nothing, of course, but just so you know, in the short time that I've been here,
I've learned that people like Bear post the things they post because they've
earned the right to. They are the local experts here. (This is my opinion.)
I've come to learn a TON from people like him around here.
Here is the point as I see it.
You come onto the board here, as a complete newbie to the boards, never posted
before, and in your subject title you say, "Your rack is sexy, BUT..." already
leading the readers to believe that next few words that you might have added to
that would be something like..."big deal, what can you do with it?" or something
like that.
So, your site gets checked out, since you posted it in your profile, and it's at
the bottom of every post that you'll ever make here. I looked at it, myself.
BEFORE Bear made his comments. The first thing that I notice when looking at
the site, is someone talking about you, and comparing your recordings to major
studio recordings, and talking about how people can't tell the difference
because you're so good at what you do.
Side note: I have the distinct feeling that the "review" of you on your site,
although seeming written from a third person point of view was written by none
other than yourself. I suppose there's nothing inherently wrong with that, but
when the home page of your site pretty much does nothing but tell the world how
you are gods gift to music, it's just going to be met with a little scepticism
right from the get go around here. Because "HERE" just happens to be a place
full of a bunch of people that have been making music, and recording, and
studying every aspect of the art for years and years.
Also, as far as you not wanting to share your songs with him...man, what do you
expect when you post your URL here, and brag up and down about your music, and
provide links to it on your website? Your intentions are that you want to share
it with the ENTIRE WORLD. If that's not your goal, I'd put a password on those
areas of your site, and only give the password to people that you know will say
something nice about your music no matter what, like your mom, or grandma.
Sorry, dude, that's just the way it goes around here. Attitudes will get you
NOTHING here. Learn it early, I did. I would suggest doing what I did. I went
to Bear's website, and printed out every single article that he's got. Same for
Harvey's. Same for anybody that has something that could benefit me. Make a
binder, and read, read, read.
Even if that's not why you came here. Why pass up the opportunity to learn
something new, and better yourself as a musician, or learn something new about
recording techiques?
Just my 2 cents.
-Speedy
Bear, I know you don't need a defendant, or anything like that. I just thought
I'd let it be known that some of the newbies here do have the capacity to take
criticism, and learn.
Blue Bear Sound
New member
No, I didn't do much comparison at all - Sjoko gave me a recommendation regarding the Lucids and I have reasons to trust his ears, so I went with them!Teacher said:
There's a helluva difference between using them, and the stock A-D-As on the Masterlink though, I can tell you that!
Blue Bear Sound
New member
You clearly didn't read my post a little ways back -- I specifically said I DIDN'T WANT people clicking to my website... why do you think I posted it?!?!?!?Speedy VonTrapp said:
uh-oh... waituminut........
Velvet Elvis
Ahh humma humma humma
Another thing you must realize about this board...
Sarcasm is king
errr... or wait... I'm 'the King'... so maybe Sarcasm is Queen.
Velvet Elvis
Sarcasm is king
errr... or wait... I'm 'the King'... so maybe Sarcasm is Queen.
Velvet Elvis
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adam
New member
jeez, cut the guy some slack.
I have been using this board for years now for great advice -- it is the most personable and informative site to me, without *most* of the BS of other forums.
BBS's advice is always valuable, and sure there is an attitude there -- which is fine, especially when someone deserves it. This guy doesn't
The guy's original post is totally not flaming. The thread could have taken an interesting turn, but it didn't.
Oh well. Keep fighting the good fight.
I have been using this board for years now for great advice -- it is the most personable and informative site to me, without *most* of the BS of other forums.
BBS's advice is always valuable, and sure there is an attitude there -- which is fine, especially when someone deserves it. This guy doesn't
The guy's original post is totally not flaming. The thread could have taken an interesting turn, but it didn't.
Oh well. Keep fighting the good fight.
Dethska
Not a Mod
Blue Bear,
Okay, I see now. I WAS misunderstanding you. Thank you for taking time to explain it to me. Maybe what I think of as Auto-tune isn't really auto-tune. Are you familiar at all with the "pop-punk" bands out currently. Sum 41, Avril, Good Charlotte, etc. The vocals on the songs drive me crazy. I thought it was an autotune sound, but maybe it's just a thousand different vocal tracks. The sound is very processed, is there a different device/plug-in that causes this sound. Maybe a vocal processor that automatically creates harmonies? I'm curious as to what the "effect" is, if it's not autotune.
Thanks in advance.
Okay, I see now. I WAS misunderstanding you. Thank you for taking time to explain it to me. Maybe what I think of as Auto-tune isn't really auto-tune. Are you familiar at all with the "pop-punk" bands out currently. Sum 41, Avril, Good Charlotte, etc. The vocals on the songs drive me crazy. I thought it was an autotune sound, but maybe it's just a thousand different vocal tracks. The sound is very processed, is there a different device/plug-in that causes this sound. Maybe a vocal processor that automatically creates harmonies? I'm curious as to what the "effect" is, if it's not autotune.
Thanks in advance.
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dmbfrk
New member
posting is fun
uh, thanks for the defense adam - i was wondering why all this came at me as well...
anyway, i love this board, i have been a lurker for a few months...i just made a healthy investment and i'm psyched to put up some new songs when they're finished, and just figrued i'd eat the criticism for now - after all, those recordings are completely deserving of every word that's been said here - so much that I stopped pushing them to industry professionals looong ago. however, it is still my only full CD to date, and my product. did i mention that I am a full time musician? two years ago i made this cd in my dorm room and now i've been touring for two years...my only point being that I hope when i have completed some of the work i'm up to currently, ya'll will listen with an open mind.
again, all of those clips deserve every word that was said - that why i didn't come up here to anyone on this board that they are great. You should have the intellect to realize that my webpage is for consumers and not for audiophiles...it's not my personal home page, all about me...it's my business. Sometimes ya gotta toot your own horn and bull$hit a little. And rediculously, a lot of the kids i play for really do praise the quality of that home recording - but trust me I know better.
And sorry for asking to hear your songs in the wrong forum, everybody. I had been looking at pictures of everybody's racks and drooling for an hour, so I was just curious as to what kind of noises come out of them.
and speedy von trapp - i don't know when you came into this - but i hope it made you feel good to put me in my place. or to even assume that i don't know who's who around here. I do. and I never expected any of this from them.
uh, thanks for the defense adam - i was wondering why all this came at me as well...
anyway, i love this board, i have been a lurker for a few months...i just made a healthy investment and i'm psyched to put up some new songs when they're finished, and just figrued i'd eat the criticism for now - after all, those recordings are completely deserving of every word that's been said here - so much that I stopped pushing them to industry professionals looong ago. however, it is still my only full CD to date, and my product. did i mention that I am a full time musician? two years ago i made this cd in my dorm room and now i've been touring for two years...my only point being that I hope when i have completed some of the work i'm up to currently, ya'll will listen with an open mind.
again, all of those clips deserve every word that was said - that why i didn't come up here to anyone on this board that they are great. You should have the intellect to realize that my webpage is for consumers and not for audiophiles...it's not my personal home page, all about me...it's my business. Sometimes ya gotta toot your own horn and bull$hit a little. And rediculously, a lot of the kids i play for really do praise the quality of that home recording - but trust me I know better.
And sorry for asking to hear your songs in the wrong forum, everybody. I had been looking at pictures of everybody's racks and drooling for an hour, so I was just curious as to what kind of noises come out of them.
and speedy von trapp - i don't know when you came into this - but i hope it made you feel good to put me in my place. or to even assume that i don't know who's who around here. I do. and I never expected any of this from them.