You need to hear this...... and tell me what you think

[JoeNovice]

These songs are my first attempts for composing on a DAW. The song I would most like your review for is called eScape and reCapture. Other song reviews would also be great.

http://www.mp3.com/joenovice

Thnx
J


Wasted - Drum N' Bass.... (sort of)

eScape and reCapture - New Age Industrial Electronica... (for lack of better words)

TheCommonSeed - Industrial Rock

LacadaZical - Indie Rock at it's oddest hour

1234 - Breakbeat

Nightime Interstate Nation - Industrial Electronic (done on Alesis QS6.1 and Rebirth)

.......you criticisms are welcome

 

[raindrops]

Just downloading.....

Im just downloading as I type at the moment.
I have a couple of comments to make first:

"You need to here this..." No I don't!, I want to hear this because I enjoy and think it is useful seeing what other people are getting up to. It slightly annoys me that. I am downloading because I like industrial and wanna here someone elses.

Secondly...When i saw "Joe Novice" to me it sounded like you were making a statement about yourself being a novice. If its ya name I would think of a different name after Joe. Don't have to listen to me though!

Now I and wait for it to finish downloading..............so slow on a 56k modem........taking fucking hours

finally got it

Initial listening - yeah its cool
I'll write a more indepth review another day. I don't have a moments peace at the moment to listen to it properly.These thing need due time and attention.

Nick

 

[JoeNovice]

no offense.... Raindrops

Didn't mean to get you hot and bothered over the thread topic. Just tring to get a response from somebody.

"I want to hear this because I enjoy and think it is useful seeing what other people are getting up to"
I feel the same way....

As far as the name goes..... Raindrops..... I never really thought about it. I try to be as "raw reality" as possible. To me it's a better than naming myself after a dead whore and a serial killer..... it's better than Korn Biscuts... I just got tired of all of the attitude in the business.... prefer to call it like it is..... I'm not a murder/rapist/electronic mutant.... and I'm not

"Joe Pro"

What do you think I should use.... you've heard the music.

Info welcome

 

[raindrops]

On escape and recapture

Right had a more indepth listren now.
Great track. You have a good attention to detail and the sounds fit together excellently. Every sound has its place and fits there.

I like the beginning, the snare roll type sound (gets a bit difficult to describe the sounds when they are "fictional") first one a 9 seconds has a good feel to it. The track has a haunting sound to it which I like. You have used repetition well, it is easy to overdo it and kill the track. I like tracks, some which have extreme repetition but never quite just repeated.

My two criticisms are ONE, at 2:20 when there is that different section, I don't think it fits in with the rest of the track, it has a much different tone. And yes it can be good to suddenley change but i don't think this works. The electronic piano with its chord sequence is the culprit. It also doesn't quite flow smoothly into the next section. TWO, I think it would benefit from vocals, not overiding domineering marilyn manson style but more subtle. They add an extra touch of meaning and expression that can some times be lost without them. ut damn there are difficult if your not used to them. I'm in the learning process of trying to add vocals to my tracks and struggling. The vocal sounds that are in there, fit well with the rest.

The name.
I definately agree about your no bullshit put on personas and stuff cause they mostly are that. BUT i still think it sounds like a statement you are making about yourself (wrongly of course!). I could be wrong and some names just stick and don't sound odd. I'm sure if the beatles hadn't existed the name would sound really odd today. So whatever you want in the end, the music really ought to break thorugh the name but a good catchy name does catch peoples attention, when scrolling through a list of band names Joe Novice would not grab me, nor would Nick Sellen (Me, i use that for my music currently).

Next.
What equipment are you using?

Who are your influences, I have a pretty good idea but I would like to hear from you first.

Finally, do you delve more into metal industrial which is my prefered style. Or if not metal, faster heavier more pumping music cause I would be interested to hear some more.

My fingers are aching now. I hope this is useful to you.

Nick

 

[JoeNovice]

Nick's the Man!!!!!

Thnx for the professional review. Good criticisms... it is always a benefit to have honest comments.

Influences: To many to name. The CD's in front of my face might give you an inpression. NIN, Roni Size, Portishead, Tricky, Ministry, Kind of Blue (M.Davis/B.Evans), Mogwai, Unsane, etc.... the list could get out of hand.

Equipment: D.A.W. running VST5, Orion, ReBirth, Acid, Wavelab, Wave8/24 PCI card..... Outboard gear; PODv2, AKG C2000, BlueTube, Alesis QS6.1, Strat, L.Paul, (soon to add Virus b)

Industrial Metal: Dig it BIG time but.... POD sounds are weak for that style. No big crunch..... (See what Virus can do 'bout that.)


Thnx again
J

 

[raindrops]

Yeah i figured nin was influence it sounds remincent incorporating some of the attention to detail and electronic sounds. i would have to rate nin as one of my favourite bands along with ministry.

You have better equipment that me damnit. I am beginnnig to think that i do really need more to create the sounds i need. I have a yamaha cs1x synth and a guitar + boss vf-1 guitar effects.

I would disagree about pod sounds being weak for industrial. ok i don't have a pod but i have used one a reasonable ammount. yeah the straight up sounds will not cut it, but with some tweaking you can get a nice sound, and then in addition double tracking guitars and panning them half left/right hugely fattens out guitars, using a different sound for each channel. another technique which i use all the time is to use fuzzbox plugin for cubase, it comes as standard with my cubase (not sure about v5) but it is nothing special (my friend asked me to desribe its sound, i said "nasty sounding digital fuzzy disortion!"). I usually have three guitar tracks for each main riff, two panned hard left/right on different sounds, heavy distortion scooped mid style from my boss vf-1 and then a third channel , a copy of one of the others tracks applied with the fuzzbox (any digital distortion should do, the overdrive and distortion that come with cubase 5 should do the job, although i do love the fuzzbox) and pan that centre. the fuzz track adds the extra industrial edge needed, play abuot with levels until it sounds fat.
Industrial metal is versitile in the sounds because they do not need to be clean sounding or anything, so the fuzz works ideally. That should get you a nice industrial metal sound, so start working on that new track and post it when its done so i can have a listen!
you can also use the pod to dirty up some synth sounds and get some cool sounds out of that, get a pounding drum bit with a touch of distortion and you are there!

I look forward to hearing more. Do you recommend any particular of your other tracks? i'm not intereested in the drum & bass track, i couldnt comment usefully on it.
I'll let you know when i've got some tracks worth downloading if you'd fancy a listen.


on a different note...
what do you think of ministrys- land of rape and honey, lot of people say its shit but i really like it i think it is excellent, bit less accesable that many others but cool none the less.

cheers
nick

 

[JoeNovice]

Yea the POD is a good tool but I've almost made up my mind about the DigiTech 2120. Apples and Oranges......

Land of Rape and Honey is a classic. I used to rock that album when it was new off the shelf. Stigmata is still one of my fav. songs..... Just One Fix used to be an anthem.

Gear comes with time..... for the music we like... you need a Nord Lead/Access Virus/Waldorf Q style synth. They are the supershiznit.

Other attempts at industrial have been mediocer.

Nightime Interstate Nation was all Alesis.... (not much flexability in the sounds)....
LacadaZical shows off the POD's funky side. Really spaced out song...... indie....
TheCommonSeed (the hook song) uses every piece of gear I own.... and killed about a month + of time.


gotta run... broke my finger typing

L8r
J

 

[Meshuggah]

OK.. listened to it all. Not gonna do an extensive review tho. My hangover wont let me..

This is very good. I mean like, very VERY good. It's not really my bag, but not very far from it either. To my ears you've got all it takes to make it, and I sure hope you will. Keep it up man.

- Mesh