Yet Another new 5th Street Song for critique

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I already hear levels that need changing... but here it is.

For some reason our recordings of distorted guitar always sound too fuzzy/muddy. Using a SM 57 6 inches away from the amp.

Oh, and I'm aware the first kid sound almost sounds like he's being tortured. I'm just looking for a replacement.

The song is called 'Remember'

http://www.5thstreetband.com/internaldl.html

Give me all ya got.

~Bob
 
hey, you might notice that i generally spend way less time than this responding to posts. i'm just pointing that out before i rant cause i generally think you guys have a lot of potential and if you focus on the songwriting at some point you'll probably have enough good material to hire a producer, like you mentioned.

so here i go again:

dude, your singer has a killer voice and now he sounds like he's staying at one distance from the mic for the whole song! the band sounds a bit tighter as well. this is progress! the drum sound is still very weak overall but that's a problem that is very hard to fix without the right room, some very expensive gear, and an engineer who enjoys the pain of dialing in a good drum sound. there are some guys around here (voxvender comes to mind) who get some pretty nice results with a handful of mics and a basement. maybe one of them will stop by. also, check out a guy named just william (velvet elvis is his handle i think). i don't know how he did it but he got a killer drum sound in a basement as well.

here's the good/bad news. that guitar in the end sounds great. i think you said your guitarist is also the singer so your production should mainly focus around him imo(hopefully he won't start to think the whole world is focused on him. lol.)
i think you will grab your listener a lot better if you start this song the way you ended it. start with that solo guitar, then introduce vocals for the first verse, then drums and bass during the first chorus, after the first chorus play a very sparse sax solo for like two bars then lay the sax WAY BACK in the mix while he's singing the next verse and so on......you see right now the sax is really fighting with the vocals and unforunately it's winning. it's not tat you are a bad player, it's just that i wanna hear the singer, not the sax. the sax should be almost unnoticable in the mix. not nonexistant, just more supportive than solo'd.

the family samples should occupy less of the song. we get the point so you only need like two bars of that. i mean geez, i thought you were gonna start introducing people. lol.

sounds like you tried some harmonies in the end too. that sounded pretty good. here's a trick that you can try with harmonies. some people like doing this some people don't. sing the harmony line twice and pan the tracks left and right, then compress the shit out of them. clears room for the main singer.

ok, that's all for now. i think you're moving in the right direction. i wish i could check out your band live but i'm not out east very often.

best of luck.
 
I like the singer's voice. It's got great resonanace and strength.

In general I thought the mix was a little strong in the midrange. A little 'crispiness' to the overall sound. Especially in the chorus.

A little loose playing in the first few seconds of the song.

Small plosive at 1:02.

Kind of a weird fade out fade in thing around 3:40. Made me ask myself what that last section was for. It just was just the guitar strumming. Didn't seem to add much.
 
Thanks E for the detailed response.

I'll do a bit more detail later, but I wanted to explain the thing at the end.

Right now it cuts off the end to soon, I'm going to let it finish the second chorus before it starts fading out, and the guitar is going to fade in while the band fades out. The reason for it is: this song is the closing song on the cd we are making. The first song on the cd opens up with a little acoustic guitar intro type thing, so its just trying to bring the cd full circle and close it off.

I'll post the first revision soon which will do it a lot better.

Thanks for everything else though.

Oh, E, the reason I can't do the gradually adding instruments thing (which does sound nice) is because 2 of the other 3 songs already do this, and that would just sorta be real repetitive.

~Bob
 
erichenryus said:
lay the sax WAY BACK in the mix while he's singing the next verse and so on......you see right now the sax is really fighting with the vocals and unforunately it's winning. it's not tat you are a bad player, it's just that i wanna hear the singer, not the sax. the sax should be almost unnoticable in the mix. not nonexistant, just more supportive than solo'd.
I took the sax down throughout the whole song by 3db... lemme know if you think that is enough. I don't want to take away from the vocals like it was...

the family samples should occupy less of the song. we get the point so you only need like two bars of that. i mean geez, i thought you were gonna start introducing people. lol.
Yea I know what you mean... but I wanted to hit a couple different type sounds. Its updated now... the first one is sounds from a kids baseball game... the second is kids on the swings with a dog barking... the third is some kids laughing at a birthday party. All from my home videos thanks to a videographer of a father taping absolutely everything. I like it how it is now. its just 3 3-4 second clips... but let me know if you still feel that way.

sounds like you tried some harmonies in the end too. that sounded pretty good. here's a trick that you can try with harmonies. some people like doing this some people don't. sing the harmony line twice and pan the tracks left and right, then compress the shit out of them. clears room for the main singer.
Updated the latest mix and tried this, I think it sounds really good! Let me know if you think they need compressed more.

ok, that's all for now. i think you're moving in the right direction. i wish i could check out your band live but i'm not out east very often.

best of luck.
Thanks E. I wish you could to. Our recordings don't even begin to compare to how we are live. That's our main objective anyway is to be a real real hot live band.

Thanks for everything.

~Bob
 
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